In a message dated 14/01/2004 12:03:05 GMT Standard Time, Lesley Robertson writes: > You need to get her death certificate, or get someone to look at it. > English/Welsh certs are not as informative as scottish one, but it should at > > least tell you who her father was. Genuki carries the info on how to get at > such certificates. > Thanks - but I have had her death certificate for 6 months - I always get certificates before asking. This one is a Welsh one and only gives her husband's name. I have searched through MIs, etc. in the hope that some of her family might show up - as have other distant relatives in Canada for the past 20 years! The only extra piece of information that might be of use is that her husband's brother called one of his daughters Esther Carson Burgess. Why was this? Could the minister have got totally confused (i.e. parents written as Samuel Burgess/Euphemia Colthard rather than James Burgess/Jean Carson), am I missing something? Does anyone know of a manufacturing firm called Carson or Crae/Mcrae near the border? Apart from place and cause of death, the Eng & Wales death certs are really very little help to family historians. Why oh why did most of my Scots ancestors die in Eng & Wales ;-) Judy

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BlankHi Everybody, I have just joined your list. I am hunting for "Kennedys". I am from Hawick, though now live in Oz. So far I have traced the following: My gggrandfather was Alexander Kennedy b1846 in Dumfries, he married Catherine McGoay (McGuie) 11/6/1875, he died 10/5/1899 at 10 Ladylaw Place, Hawick. They had 3 children - Alexander who married my ggrandmother Margaret Cowan Catherine born 5/12/1875 in Hawick don't know who she married, she had left the family home by 1891 Jane born 28/12/1877 in Hawick, she was with brother Alex on 1901 census. Unknown who she married or where she went after this time. If anyone has any of these two women on their tree, I would love to hear from you. My ggggrandfather was James Kennedy (b. 1807-20/1/1871), married Jane Garland (1812-15/11/1892) They both lived in a close off the High Street in Dumfries. Apart from Alexander they also had 4 other children - James b.1839 married Marion Grierson 17/4/1865 Mary b. 1842 married Alexander Riddle (unknown date) William b. 1848 married Agnes Bradley 16/1/1868 Menzies b. 1854 unknown If any of this means anything to anybody, again I would love to hear from you. James Kennedy's parents on his death certificate are Menzies Kennedy and Margaret McBride, I am unable to access a death cert for these two until Scotlandspeople provide new searches, which I am waiting for with baited breath. Just read the book by Vic Tookley on the Yetholm Gypsies, their is reference in it of a Alexander K and his tribe from Lochmaben having a fight with the Taits on a brig in Hawick, I wouldn't be at all surprised if they were not connected to these Kennedy's after all McBride is a "tinker name". Again if anyone has any insight please let me know. Hope to hear from anybody soon. Fiona Also researching Cowan Family from Lochmaben

Hello List I wonder if anyone can help me with a bit of a dry stane dyke: My ggg grandmother was a Jane/Jean Carson born circa 1786 - all censuses record her birth as 'Scotland'. She married a James Burgess in 1807 in the parish of Kells (New Galloway, KKB). On the marriage entry it says that she was 'from Kirkmabreck'. The only record that I can find for there is a Jean Culloch Carson b. 1786 to Esther Crae/MCrae and William Carson. None of her many daughters were called either Esther/Hester or Crae. One was called Ann Smith Burgess. In a piece on her descendants, published in a pamphlet in Arran Township, Ont, Canada it states that she 'was from a wealthy manufacturing family living near the border' - which side is not stated. She refused to go to Canada apparently because she wished to stay near them. James and Jean were never wealthy, so I'm not sure what happened. They eventually moved to a farm near Bala,Wales in 1833. She died in 1870. Grateful for any help, ideas, advice. Judy

Hello Everyone Happy New Year to you all. I have updated the above list earlier today, which is an interim measure as I may not have included all updates received since 1 December 03. I have a pile of outstanding work to go through which was received during the Christmas and New Year period. You will note more information is now shown including specific locations and appropriate web sites. If you have an entry and wish add information to it, please advise me ASAP. For new members to your site the list can be located at www.dfnoble.com/CULnames I would also like to thank Don for his assistance and use of his site for our mutual benefit as without him this Surname List would not exist. Whist there may be other lists covering the Cumbria area this is now the biggest in content and should be your first port of call if you have lost or cannot find your ancestors. Thank you all for your support and keep the information coming, including any amendmendments. Regards Gerald Sandwith Surname List Co-ordinator _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool new emoticons http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/myemo

Hello Everyone and happy New Year. This is my first time on the list so I thought I would let people know the names I'm interested in. My main interest is the Cairns family of Canonbie. According to the GROS George Cairns (b 16/4/1854 Canonbie, Dumfries) married Margaret Wood (b 1863 Wilton, Roxburgh) in 1887. Their children were: Grace (b 1889 Castleton, Roxburgh) William (b 1891 Castleton, Roxburgh James (b 1895 Arthuret, Cumberland) Andrew (b 1897 Arthuret, Cumberland) Mary Ewart Gilfilin (b 1900 Arthuret, Cumberland) (my Grandmother) I'd be pleased to hear from anyone who has any info to exchange Douglas Brown Queanbeyan, Australia

Hi, Many thanks to A.Geist in knocking down a brickwall. Now that I have the info on the children of James & Annie Turnbull I can turn my attention to their offspring.This is what I have. James d-August 04,1946 single William Turnbull m-Isabella Laidlaw Millar on June 01,1914,her parents were John Millar [watchmaker] and Beatrice Gray.William died April 29,1942 Robert Turnbull m-Elizabeth Beatrice Millar on June 11,1911 [convenient of them to marry sisters]. Isabella Turnbull m-William Gray on June 06,1907 his parents were John Gray and Elizabeth Scott.William died August 30,1930. All of the above weddings took place in Lilliesleaf,Rox.Any assistance in locating the children or grand-children of William,Robert and Isabella would be great. Regards, Jack Turnbull Camrose,Alberta

Anyone interested in Anderson, Cossar, Fleming, Hope, Houston, Melrose, Renwick, Sommerville, Stavert, Struthers, Thomson, Veitch etc, may wish to check my website whereI have just uploaded over 88,000 persons. I expect to update the database on a monthly basis as I am working through the Parishes one by one adding the above names. The Geographic area for the above names includes South Lanarkshire, Peeblesshire and All BORDERS Counties incl Dumfriesshire. I have tried to connect as many family groups as possible but there are sure to be errors so do not take the information as Gospel - but a source to check. Please report any mistakes or additions to me - [email protected] Site holding the above database is:- http://www.chouston.f2s.com/Alltrees/alltrees.html Regards Charles --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.556 / Virus Database: 348 - Release Date: 26/12/2003

Can anyone out there help with a look-up of the 1841 Census of Heriot Parish, Midlothian? I am searching for a Walter WHITSON age 50, born Innerleithen Peeblesshire and his wife Jane (NIVEN) aged about 49 and any issue. Walter was working as a shepherd at Blackhope Farm (on the Blackhope Water) in 1824.... it is a long shot but I am hoping that he may still be there (unlikely as shepherds did move around a lot). Circulating this to the BORDERs list as well as there is a Blackhope farm near Kielder Forest on the Scottish side of the border....however, I do not believe that this is where Walter was shepherding in 1824, but I may be wrong! Look forward to your responses. Thank you. Jim Arnott

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1-Adam ARMSTRONG b. 1685, Cumbria, England, d. 1749, Canonbie, Dumfries, Scotland +Mary FORSTER b. 1685, Cumbria, England, m. 20 Nov 1705, Kirkandrews upon Eden, Cumberland, England 2-Margaret ARMSTRONG b. 6 Oct 1706, Canonbie, Dumfries, Scotland 2-William ARMSTRONG b. Abt 1708, Kirkandrews upon Eden, Cumberland, England, d. Aft 1769, Cumberland County, PA 2-Robert ARMSTRONG b. 9 Nov 1712, Kirkandrews upon Eden, Cumberland, England 2-Adam Abraham ARMSTRONG b. 1 Feb 1715, Kirkandrews upon Eden, Cumberland, England, d. 20 May 1779, Peters Twp, Franklin, PA 2-Joseph ARMSTRONG b. 1722, Cumberland, England, d. , Nova Scotia, Canada 2-John ARMSTRONG b. 8 Mar 1724, Lanercost, Cumberland, England, d. 10 Jun 1772, Tuscarora Valley, Cumberland, PA Regards, Jim Armstrong Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free Checked by Symantec-Norton Anti-Virus 2003 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Everyone has a photographic memory......some just don't have any film. Fight Spammers! Please remove all previous addressees before forwarding this material.

This is my first posting . I have been able to trace my husband's family back to James DUMMA and Helen HAY. They were married in Kelso in 1818. I have a lot of info to share if anyone is interested in this family. I would like any information available on the ancestors and families of James and Helen. TIA --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes

Hello All, my New Years resolution is to get back into researching my family tree so here goes :- I have recently found information on a new line of Armstrong's and would be interested to see if anyone else has a connection. There seem to be connections to Murray's and Cowans again as there are with my direct line It starts off with George Armstrong born 1803 at Draper Croft, (father Thomas mother Jane Renwick), Near Falstone in Northumberland. George is the younger brother of my Great,g,g,g, Grandfather Francis Armstrong. He farmed at KerseyCleugh very near to Kielder for most of his life but latterly moved to Newcastleton where he died in 1882 and is also buried at Castleton. He married twice firstly to Eleanor Nichol from Ovenshank, Roxburgh, Scotland in 1826, they had four children 1 Elizabeth 1827 2 Thomas 1829 3 Robert 1832 (He moved to Glasgow and became a wine and spirits merchant) 4 Francis 1833 Eleanor died in 1834 George married again sometime in the 1840's to Jane Elliot and they had eight children born between 1845 and 1860 :- 1 Agnes 1845 2 Jane 1846 3 Gideon 1847 4 Mary 1849 5 George 1851 6 William Murray 1853 7 Margaret 1858 8 Helen (born 1860 died 1848 Bellingham, Northumberland) I have quite a few details on some of the children, too much to list here, but there are some of the farms that the children were involved with, they may trigger someone's memory. Kersey Cleugh, Northumberland High Green, Northumberland Deadwater, Northumberland Ovenshank, Roxburgh Pleaknowe, Hobkirk, Roxburgh Langsidebrae, Cavers, Roxburgh Hallrule Cottages, Hobkirk, Roxburgh Tythehouse, Hobkirk Langburnshiels, Hobkirk Lustruther, Southdean, Roxburgh All the best for the New Year to all on the list Regards Michael Armstrong (Northumberland)

Hi Judy, Minto Kaims was a farm in the parish of Minto. The Rutherfurds Southern Counties Register from 1866 lists David BROCKIE as the resident. Cheerio, Jane-Ellen, [email protected] Doubt Family Pages: www.ocis.net/~jedoubt/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy Hall" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 12:41 AM Subject: [BORDER] Minto Kaims > Hi > Can someone tell me if Minto is the same as Minto Kaims and if not, where > Minto Kaims is, in relation to Minto Village? > > Regards > Judy > > > ==== BORDER Mailing List ==== > Seasons Greetings to all Border members > >

Hi Phil I have a WEATHERHEAD connected to my GARDNER line. Mary Boyd GARDNER b 8 Sept 1864 (1881 census gives birthplace as Jedburgh) d 11 March 1940 Hawick, ROX, SCT marr 25 March 1898 St Boswells, ROX, SCT Spouse James CRAWFORD b 1870 d 24 Oct 1939 Hawick, ROX, SCT Spouse's Parent's James CRAWFORD & Margaret WEATHERHEAD Regards Judy -----Original Message----- From: philandjenny [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 4:26 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [BORDER] weatherhead family ,Tweedmouth,early 19th century (and Hall from Northumberlabd) Hi all Does any one have any information on the above family? I have found an ancestor , William Weatherhead,who died 5/5/1839 in Tweedmouth. He was married to a Jane Hall ,b 1783 in Chatton,Northumberland and who died 30/3/1864 also in Tweedmouth. They had 4 children 2 of whom died young. A third, William was born 1816 and died Oct.1849 "at sea" according to Tweedmouth cemetry insciption. The last,James ,was born 1814 and moved over the border to Ayton. Any information on this family out there? Many thanks Phil ______________________________

Hi Can someone tell me if Minto is the same as Minto Kaims and if not, where Minto Kaims is, in relation to Minto Village? Regards Judy

Hi Everyone I hope to put out an amended list shortly, so new names can be submitted. In order to improve the service on this list we are adding place names and date periods of your surname interests. this information should be sent to me at the above address. In addition if you have a Web Site for a particular family name and would like to post this please send this information to Sarah Reveley at [email protected] Hopefully we can incorporate this info into one list. If you cannot access the list please advise by separate communication. This includes anyone who has contacted me in the past. Please also state your particular difficulty. The list can be viewed at www.dfnoble.com/CULnames Reagrds HAPPY & successful New Year Gerald Sandwith _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool new emoticons http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/myemo

Hi everyone, I'm just wondering if anyone can tell me how long it should take for a request to the Berwick-Upon-Tweed Record Office to be dealt with. I sent a letter and cheque from Australia in mid-June asking for a search to be done of Irregular Marriage records and so far have had no reply. I assume I would still get an answer if the search proved negative. Thanks, Sue Researching : HENRY (Roxburgh), THORBURN (Selkirk), ELLIOTT

I just want to thank everyone for their emails supporting me in what I said about some fellow researcher that ask, get, but do not know how to thank. You have all restored my faith. Have a great time over the holidays Regards Nicky Young