----- Original Message ----- From: "Joy and Mike" <[email protected]> To: "J A Olsen" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 5:17 PM Subject: Re: [BORDER] Fw: TEMPLE/JEDBURGH PARISH. > Judy, > Just been checking the maps on the site you gave me. > On Matthew Stobie's map of Roxburgshire of 1770, and of the area around > Edgerston and North of it, there is no Camphouse or Camptown marked anywhere > in the vicinity of where we know them to be . > But there is a chapel marked, not far away from there, on the River Jed, > about 7/8 miles North of Edgerston and close to the road to Jedburg, near > Dolphiston Mill. > Possibly this would have been the closest chapel to Camphouse/Camptown, > which we know to exist in the 1780's onwards ? > I wonder, The names-- Camphouse and Camptown-- seem military in sound, could > they have come into existance after the 1745 and the "clearance" that > followed ? > Mike Temple, Spain.----- Original Message ----- > From: "J A Olsen" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 12:20 AM > Subject: Re: [BORDER] Fw: TEMPLE/JEDBURGH PARISH. > > > > Having now found the place with your directions I would say the nearest > > presbyterian Church of Scotland church would be Edgerston. You can see how > > close this is on the some of the maps online at www.nls.ac.uk. Genuki > pages > > suggest this was a quod sacra parish church - if you havent already done > so > > look at the Statistical Accounts online and you should find the Jedburgh > > section describes the arrangement. > > > > But Jedburgh was a hotbed of dissent so you cant be sure that your > families > > were attending the parish church. Dissenters could often cross parish > > boundaries to hear the preacher of their choice. > > > > Also I wonder whether the TEMPLEs made it on to the muster rolls in the > > Lieutenancy Books of Roxburghshire - these I think are also online. > > > > > > Judy > > > > > > > > > > ---------- > > >From: "J A Olsen" <[email protected]> > > >To: [email protected] > > >Subject: Re: [BORDER] Fw: TEMPLE/JEDBURGH PARISH. > > >Date: 16, Fri Jan, 2004, 7:29 pm > > > > > > > > Can you be more specific Mike? The old maps site is down - is Camptown > to > > > the south of Jed? > > > > > > Judy > > > > > > ---------- > > >>From: "Joy and Mike" <[email protected]> > > >>To: [email protected] > > >>Subject: [BORDER] Fw: TEMPLE/JEDBURGH PARISH. > > >>Date: 16, Fri Jan, 2004, 3:54 pm > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> --- Original Message ----- > > >> Subject: Fw: TEMPLE/JEDBURGH PARISH. > > >>>From [email protected] > > >> > > >> > > >> Researching the families of John Temple of Camphouse, b.c.1764/65 and > his > > >> wife Mary ----------, of Camptown, Jedburgh parish. Also George Temple > of > > >> Camphouse,b.c.1775/76 and his wife Isabel Dagleash of > > >> Elsdon/Northumberland, married at St. Cuthberts, Elsdon, Northumberland > in > > > 1801. > > >> Also, obliged if anybody can advise on the farm "Camphouse", which is > on > > >> the now A68 road and just about 300 yards from Camptown. > > >> Both John and George were Presbyterians. > > >> Also, which Presbyterian chapel would have been the nearest to > > >> Camphouse/Camptown around 1795 ? > > >> Mike Temple, Spain. (ex-Newcastle) > > >> > > >> > > >> ==== BORDER Mailing List ==== > > >> A New Year A fresh Start > > >> Share any new information you have cracked in 2003 > > >> Any unusual sources of information to break down those brick walls! > > >> > > > > > > > > > ==== BORDER Mailing List ==== > > > A New Year A fresh Start > > > Share any new information you have cracked in 2003 > > > Any unusual sources of information to break down those brick walls! > > > > > > > > > ==== BORDER Mailing List ==== > > Seasons Greetings to all Border members > > >

But Edgerston Church was not built until 1838 and Edgerston was not disjoined from Jedburgh as a quoad sacra parish until 1855. So in 1795 the parish church would have been in Jedburgh. I haven't looked at the map but it's possible Southdean church would have been physically nearer. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "J A Olsen" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 11:20 PM Subject: Re: [BORDER] Fw: TEMPLE/JEDBURGH PARISH. > Having now found the place with your directions I would say the nearest > presbyterian Church of Scotland church would be Edgerston. You can see how > close this is on the some of the maps online at www.nls.ac.uk. Genuki pages > suggest this was a quod sacra parish church - if you havent already done so > look at the Statistical Accounts online and you should find the Jedburgh > section describes the arrangement. > > But Jedburgh was a hotbed of dissent so you cant be sure that your families > were attending the parish church. Dissenters could often cross parish > boundaries to hear the preacher of their choice. > > Also I wonder whether the TEMPLEs made it on to the muster rolls in the > Lieutenancy Books of Roxburghshire - these I think are also online. > > > Judy > > > > > ---------- > >From: "J A Olsen" <[email protected]> > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: Re: [BORDER] Fw: TEMPLE/JEDBURGH PARISH. > >Date: 16, Fri Jan, 2004, 7:29 pm > > > > > Can you be more specific Mike? The old maps site is down - is Camptown to > > the south of Jed? > > > > Judy > > > > ---------- > >>From: "Joy and Mike" <[email protected]> > >>To: [email protected] > >>Subject: [BORDER] Fw: TEMPLE/JEDBURGH PARISH. > >>Date: 16, Fri Jan, 2004, 3:54 pm > >> > > > >> > >> > >> > >> --- Original Message ----- > >> Subject: Fw: TEMPLE/JEDBURGH PARISH. > >>>From [email protected] > >> > >> > >> Researching the families of John Temple of Camphouse, b.c.1764/65 and his > >> wife Mary ----------, of Camptown, Jedburgh parish. Also George Temple of > >> Camphouse,b.c.1775/76 and his wife Isabel Dagleash of > >> Elsdon/Northumberland, married at St. Cuthberts, Elsdon, Northumberland in > > 1801. > >> Also, obliged if anybody can advise on the farm "Camphouse", which is on > >> the now A68 road and just about 300 yards from Camptown. > >> Both John and George were Presbyterians. > >> Also, which Presbyterian chapel would have been the nearest to > >> Camphouse/Camptown around 1795 ? > >> Mike Temple, Spain. (ex-Newcastle) > >> > >> > >> ==== BORDER Mailing List ==== > >> A New Year A fresh Start > >> Share any new information you have cracked in 2003 > >> Any unusual sources of information to break down those brick walls! > >> > > > > > > ==== BORDER Mailing List ==== > > A New Year A fresh Start > > Share any new information you have cracked in 2003 > > Any unusual sources of information to break down those brick walls! > > > > ______________________________

----- Original Message ----- From: "Joy and Mike" <[email protected]> To: "J A Olsen" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 9:45 AM Subject: Re: [BORDER] Fw: TEMPLE/JEDBURGH PARISH. > Judy, thanks for the information, which I will follow up on. > I did have a trip to Selkirk a few years ago, as they hold O.P.R.'s for > Roxb/shire, but the trip produced no break-through. > I'm now not sure if John and George TEMPLE (whom I suspect were brothers) > were born in Scotland or were Nothumbrians who went over the border around > 1790 for work, and then returned to Northumberland a few years later. > Certainly the wedding entry for George at St. Cuthberts/Elsdon in > 1801recorded he was a "husbandman of Camphouse, Jedburgh parish, North > Brittain", and the memorial stone to John and his wife Mary at St. Francis, > Byrness stated John was "a farmer of Camphouse"and Mary was "of Camptown." > I Noted both were Presbyterians and had their children baptised at Birdhope > Craig Presbyterian church, Rochester (near Elsdon), and John ,George and > their wives were all buried at St. Francis/Byrness, which was a known burial > ground for "dissenters". > I visited Edgerston on my way to Selkirk, but noted only one church there, a > Church of Scotland church which wasn't built untill the mid 1800's. > I didn't know there was also a Presbyterian chapel there. This ,as you > suggest, would be a good point to follow up on , especially if their chapel > records exist and go back to the 1760's. > Do you have an web address for the Statistical Accounts and the Lieutenancy > books ? > If you have any other sites on-line that you think could help me in breaking > this "brick-wall", I'd be in your debt. > Thanks again and best wishes, > Mike Temple, Spain. ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J A Olsen" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 12:20 AM > Subject: Re: [BORDER] Fw: TEMPLE/JEDBURGH PARISH. > > > > Having now found the place with your directions I would say the nearest > > presbyterian Church of Scotland church would be Edgerston. You can see how > > close this is on the some of the maps online at www.nls.ac.uk. Genuki > pages > > suggest this was a quod sacra parish church - if you havent already done > so > > look at the Statistical Accounts online and you should find the Jedburgh > > section describes the arrangement. > > > > But Jedburgh was a hotbed of dissent so you cant be sure that your > families > > were attending the parish church. Dissenters could often cross parish > > boundaries to hear the preacher of their choice. > > > > Also I wonder whether the TEMPLEs made it on to the muster rolls in the > > Lieutenancy Books of Roxburghshire - these I think are also online. > > > > > > Judy > > > > > > > > > > ---------- > > >From: "J A Olsen" <[email protected]> > > >To: [email protected] > > >Subject: Re: [BORDER] Fw: TEMPLE/JEDBURGH PARISH. > > >Date: 16, Fri Jan, 2004, 7:29 pm > > > > > > > > Can you be more specific Mike? The old maps site is down - is Camptown > to > > > the south of Jed? > > > > > > Judy > > > > > > ---------- > > >>From: "Joy and Mike" <[email protected]> > > >>To: [email protected] > > >>Subject: [BORDER] Fw: TEMPLE/JEDBURGH PARISH. > > >>Date: 16, Fri Jan, 2004, 3:54 pm > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> --- Original Message ----- > > >> Subject: Fw: TEMPLE/JEDBURGH PARISH. > > >>>From [email protected] > > >> > > >> > > >> Researching the families of John Temple of Camphouse, b.c.1764/65 and > his > > >> wife Mary ----------, of Camptown, Jedburgh parish. Also George Temple > of > > >> Camphouse,b.c.1775/76 and his wife Isabel Dagleash of > > >> Elsdon/Northumberland, married at St. Cuthberts, Elsdon, Northumberland > in > > > 1801. > > >> Also, obliged if anybody can advise on the farm "Camphouse", which is > on > > >> the now A68 road and just about 300 yards from Camptown. > > >> Both John and George were Presbyterians. > > >> Also, which Presbyterian chapel would have been the nearest to > > >> Camphouse/Camptown around 1795 ? > > >> Mike Temple, Spain. (ex-Newcastle) > > >> > > >> > > >> ==== BORDER Mailing List ==== > > >> A New Year A fresh Start > > >> Share any new information you have cracked in 2003 > > >> Any unusual sources of information to break down those brick walls! > > >> > > > > > > > > > ==== BORDER Mailing List ==== > > > A New Year A fresh Start > > > Share any new information you have cracked in 2003 > > > Any unusual sources of information to break down those brick walls! > > > > > > > > > ==== BORDER Mailing List ==== > > Seasons Greetings to all Border members > > >

Thanks Roy, The 1840 Tennant map on the nls site shows Camptown, Camphouse and a church at Edgerston. But I can find no Church of Scotland minister listed there at that date. So was this a Relief Church or similiar?? Anyone know? Judy ---------- >From: "Roy G. Perkins" <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [BORDER] Fw: TEMPLE/JEDBURGH PARISH. >Date: 17, Sat Jan, 2004, 12:07 am > > Hi Judy and Mike , > > Camptown is at NT 680 136 appx 7miles SSE of Jed. > > Regards > > Roy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J A Olsen" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 7:29 PM > Subject: Re: [BORDER] Fw: TEMPLE/JEDBURGH PARISH. > > >> Can you be more specific Mike? The old maps site is down - is Camptown to >> the south of Jed? >> >> Judy >> >> ---------- >> >From: "Joy and Mike" <[email protected]> >> >To: [email protected] >> >Subject: [BORDER] Fw: TEMPLE/JEDBURGH PARISH. >> >Date: 16, Fri Jan, 2004, 3:54 pm >> > >> >> > >> > >> > >> > --- Original Message ----- >> > Subject: Fw: TEMPLE/JEDBURGH PARISH. >> >>From [email protected] >> > >> > >> > Researching the families of John Temple of Camphouse, b.c.1764/65 and > his >> > wife Mary ----------, of Camptown, Jedburgh parish. Also George Temple > of >> > Camphouse,b.c.1775/76 and his wife Isabel Dagleash of >> > Elsdon/Northumberland, married at St. Cuthberts, Elsdon, Northumberland > in >> 1801. >> > Also, obliged if anybody can advise on the farm "Camphouse", which is on >> > the now A68 road and just about 300 yards from Camptown. >> > Both John and George were Presbyterians. >> > Also, which Presbyterian chapel would have been the nearest to >> > Camphouse/Camptown around 1795 ? >> > Mike Temple, Spain. (ex-Newcastle) >> > >> > >> > ==== BORDER Mailing List ==== >> > A New Year A fresh Start >> > Share any new information you have cracked in 2003 >> > Any unusual sources of information to break down those brick walls! >> > >> >> >> ==== BORDER Mailing List ==== >> A New Year A fresh Start >> Share any new information you have cracked in 2003 >> Any unusual sources of information to break down those brick walls! >> >> > > > > ==== BORDER Mailing List ==== > A New Year A fresh Start > Share any new information you have cracked in 2003 > Any unusual sources of information to break down those brick walls! >

Hi Judy and Mike , Camptown is at NT 680 136 appx 7miles SSE of Jed. Regards Roy ----- Original Message ----- From: "J A Olsen" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 7:29 PM Subject: Re: [BORDER] Fw: TEMPLE/JEDBURGH PARISH. > Can you be more specific Mike? The old maps site is down - is Camptown to > the south of Jed? > > Judy > > ---------- > >From: "Joy and Mike" <[email protected]> > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: [BORDER] Fw: TEMPLE/JEDBURGH PARISH. > >Date: 16, Fri Jan, 2004, 3:54 pm > > > > > > > > > > > --- Original Message ----- > > Subject: Fw: TEMPLE/JEDBURGH PARISH. > >>From [email protected] > > > > > > Researching the families of John Temple of Camphouse, b.c.1764/65 and his > > wife Mary ----------, of Camptown, Jedburgh parish. Also George Temple of > > Camphouse,b.c.1775/76 and his wife Isabel Dagleash of > > Elsdon/Northumberland, married at St. Cuthberts, Elsdon, Northumberland in > 1801. > > Also, obliged if anybody can advise on the farm "Camphouse", which is on > > the now A68 road and just about 300 yards from Camptown. > > Both John and George were Presbyterians. > > Also, which Presbyterian chapel would have been the nearest to > > Camphouse/Camptown around 1795 ? > > Mike Temple, Spain. (ex-Newcastle) > > > > > > ==== BORDER Mailing List ==== > > A New Year A fresh Start > > Share any new information you have cracked in 2003 > > Any unusual sources of information to break down those brick walls! > > > > > ==== BORDER Mailing List ==== > A New Year A fresh Start > Share any new information you have cracked in 2003 > Any unusual sources of information to break down those brick walls! > >

Having now found the place with your directions I would say the nearest presbyterian Church of Scotland church would be Edgerston. You can see how close this is on the some of the maps online at www.nls.ac.uk. Genuki pages suggest this was a quod sacra parish church - if you havent already done so look at the Statistical Accounts online and you should find the Jedburgh section describes the arrangement. But Jedburgh was a hotbed of dissent so you cant be sure that your families were attending the parish church. Dissenters could often cross parish boundaries to hear the preacher of their choice. Also I wonder whether the TEMPLEs made it on to the muster rolls in the Lieutenancy Books of Roxburghshire - these I think are also online. Judy ---------- >From: "J A Olsen" <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [BORDER] Fw: TEMPLE/JEDBURGH PARISH. >Date: 16, Fri Jan, 2004, 7:29 pm > > Can you be more specific Mike? The old maps site is down - is Camptown to > the south of Jed? > > Judy > > ---------- >>From: "Joy and Mike" <[email protected]> >>To: [email protected] >>Subject: [BORDER] Fw: TEMPLE/JEDBURGH PARISH. >>Date: 16, Fri Jan, 2004, 3:54 pm >> > >> >> >> >> --- Original Message ----- >> Subject: Fw: TEMPLE/JEDBURGH PARISH. >>>From [email protected] >> >> >> Researching the families of John Temple of Camphouse, b.c.1764/65 and his >> wife Mary ----------, of Camptown, Jedburgh parish. Also George Temple of >> Camphouse,b.c.1775/76 and his wife Isabel Dagleash of >> Elsdon/Northumberland, married at St. Cuthberts, Elsdon, Northumberland in > 1801. >> Also, obliged if anybody can advise on the farm "Camphouse", which is on >> the now A68 road and just about 300 yards from Camptown. >> Both John and George were Presbyterians. >> Also, which Presbyterian chapel would have been the nearest to >> Camphouse/Camptown around 1795 ? >> Mike Temple, Spain. (ex-Newcastle) >> >> >> ==== BORDER Mailing List ==== >> A New Year A fresh Start >> Share any new information you have cracked in 2003 >> Any unusual sources of information to break down those brick walls! >> > > > ==== BORDER Mailing List ==== > A New Year A fresh Start > Share any new information you have cracked in 2003 > Any unusual sources of information to break down those brick walls! >

Can you be more specific Mike? The old maps site is down - is Camptown to the south of Jed? Judy ---------- >From: "Joy and Mike" <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Subject: [BORDER] Fw: TEMPLE/JEDBURGH PARISH. >Date: 16, Fri Jan, 2004, 3:54 pm > > > > > --- Original Message ----- > Subject: Fw: TEMPLE/JEDBURGH PARISH. >>From [email protected] > > > Researching the families of John Temple of Camphouse, b.c.1764/65 and his > wife Mary ----------, of Camptown, Jedburgh parish. Also George Temple of > Camphouse,b.c.1775/76 and his wife Isabel Dagleash of > Elsdon/Northumberland, married at St. Cuthberts, Elsdon, Northumberland in 1801. > Also, obliged if anybody can advise on the farm "Camphouse", which is on > the now A68 road and just about 300 yards from Camptown. > Both John and George were Presbyterians. > Also, which Presbyterian chapel would have been the nearest to > Camphouse/Camptown around 1795 ? > Mike Temple, Spain. (ex-Newcastle) > > > ==== BORDER Mailing List ==== > A New Year A fresh Start > Share any new information you have cracked in 2003 > Any unusual sources of information to break down those brick walls! >

--- Original Message ----- Subject: Fw: TEMPLE/JEDBURGH PARISH. >From [email protected] Researching the families of John Temple of Camphouse, b.c.1764/65 and his wife Mary ----------, of Camptown, Jedburgh parish. Also George Temple of Camphouse,b.c.1775/76 and his wife Isabel Dagleash of Elsdon/Northumberland, married at St. Cuthberts, Elsdon, Northumberland in 1801. Also, obliged if anybody can advise on the farm "Camphouse", which is on the now A68 road and just about 300 yards from Camptown. Both John and George were Presbyterians. Also, which Presbyterian chapel would have been the nearest to Camphouse/Camptown around 1795 ? Mike Temple, Spain. (ex-Newcastle)

Hi, Doug I have a WHITELAW connection to my GARDNER line.. Regards Judy William GARDNER b 11 Sept 1829 Innerleithen PEE (b abt 1834 (acc to marr certific)) occup labourer lived d 15 May 1899 9.40 P.M. District Asylum, aged 69; heart disease, over 7 years inf John Gardner, son, Hassendeanbank, Hawick marr 1. 7 March 1856 Crailing Spouse 1 Margaret AINSLIE; Parents John AINSLIE , Eliza CROSBIE; d 22 April 1859 Gradene- 9 days after infant daughter; bur Linton Child of William & Margaret 1. Isabella b 16 April 1857 Eckford, ROX occup lived Minto Village 1881 census d marr 28 Dec 1877 Crailing Spouse Peter WHITELAW b Bowden, ROX occup ploughman Children of Isabella & Peter WHITELAW 1. William b 12 Nov 18791.30 p.m. at Minto Village d 28 Nov 1879 at 7.15 a.m. at Minto Village aged 16 days - debility from birth 2. William b 18 April 1881 2 a.m Minto Village d marr Spouse 3. Margaret b abt 1883 Ancrum d marr Spouse

Hi to all, It's a long time since I have seen any LEITCH references so I am re posting my direct LEITCH ancestors. I have more information on the families of many of their siblings which I will be happy to share if anyone thinks they have a link. I have also collected a fair amount of information on other LEITCH lines which I have not been able to connect so far. 3X GRANDFATHER is: John LEITCH, b. Edinburgh MLN abt. 1785, married Janet FRASER, 1810 in Edinburgh Canongate. They had at least 1 child: 2X GREAT GRANDMOTHER is: Mary LEITCH b. Edinburgh Canongate 1817, She was unmarried. She had 4 children by different fathers including: GREAT GRANDFATHER is: John LEITCH or PEARSON, b. Tranent ELN abt 1838, married Margaret YOUNG, 14 June 1861 in Lauder BEW They had 5 children. He died 1873 and Margaret then married a George WATT. They had two more children. GRANDFATHER is: John LEITCH, b. Stow MLN 1 April 1863, married Janet GRAY LUMSDEN 25 November 1890. They had 5 children) Best wishes, Doug Leitch Solihull UK

>From: "Alan & Anne Middlemass" <[email protected]> >Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 23:05:16 -0000 > >but Ellen does not appear anywhere on IGI or in notes of extracts from >other >researchers who have seen OPR/register. > Don't forget that the IGI is based on the OPR, and the OPR is actually the Old Parochial Register of the Church of Scotland. If her family were any other denomination, from CoE to Wee Free, she wouldn't be shown, and you'll have to be lucky to find the non-conformist registers. If they've survived, they'll be in NAS - they're getting their catalogue on line here http://www.nas.gov.uk/ (I have had best results with their very picky search engine by only using the "all text" field and ignoring the others), but they're also very helpful on email queries. Lesley Robertson _________________________________________________________________ MSN Search, for accurate results! http://search.msn.nl

Hi Lesley, Thank you for this info. Although these Chisholms are not in my line, they do belong to my fellow Chisholm hunter, Geoff, and I've copied your email to him. Many thanks Best wishes, Doug Leitch Solihull UK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lesley Robertson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 9:10 AM Subject: RE: [BORDER] CHISHOLM > >From: "Doug Leitch" <[email protected]> > >Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 16:09:49 -0000 > > > >Hi to all, > >It's a long time since I have seen any CHISHOLM references so I am re > >posting my direct CHISHOLM ancestors. > > From my 1-place study of Whitsome (BEW), I can offer a small group: > > Walter Chisholm (1841-1914) m Agnes Bookless (1842-1911) in Eccles, 1872. 2 > kids I know of, Agnes C. (1873, Langton) and Wolliam Bookless C. (1874, > Coldingham). The parents both died in Whitsome. > Lesley Robertson > > _________________________________________________________________ > Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > > ==== BORDER Mailing List ==== > A New Year A fresh Start > Share any new information you have cracked in 2003 > Any unusual sources of information to break down those brick walls! >

>From: "Doug Leitch" <[email protected]> >Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 16:09:49 -0000 > >Hi to all, >It's a long time since I have seen any CHISHOLM references so I am re >posting my direct CHISHOLM ancestors. From my 1-place study of Whitsome (BEW), I can offer a small group: Walter Chisholm (1841-1914) m Agnes Bookless (1842-1911) in Eccles, 1872. 2 kids I know of, Agnes C. (1873, Langton) and Wolliam Bookless C. (1874, Coldingham). The parents both died in Whitsome. Lesley Robertson _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

Hi Judy, Thanks for your reply. Sorry I dont have a connection with your Whitelaws Best wishes, Doug & Kit Leitch Solihull UK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy Hall" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 9:12 AM Subject: RE: [BORDER] WHITELAW; Minto, ROX, SCT > Hi, Doug > I have a WHITELAW connection to my GARDNER line.. > Regards > Judy >

----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Leitch" <[email protected]> > It's a long time since I have seen any CHISHOLM references Alexander CHISHOLM, Grocer, is shown as the father to Ellen CHISHOLM on her marriage certificate in 1847 when she married at St Peter's Church, Monkwearmouth, County Durham. On at least three occasions in English census she stated Coldstream as her birthplace and her age points to 1826/7 as an approximate birth years. Doug Leitch has already provided us with details on one Alexander CHISHOLM [born 1787, and died 24 June 1847 in Coldstream BEW. He married (1) HELEN(NELLY) KENNEDY 4 December 1807 in Coldstream BEW. She was born 1784, and died 14 November 1827 in Coldstream BEW. He married (2) MARGARET HALL 28 May 1829 in Coldstream BEW. She was born 1791, and died 17 December 1858 in Coldstream BEW.] but Ellen does not appear anywhere on IGI or in notes of extracts from other researchers who have seen OPR/register. An intriguing entry for the banns to the wedding of Nelly and Alexander in Carham, NBL shows the then prospective bride to be Eleanor Kennity. Nellie/Eleanor/Ellen!! Which sets off a train of thought along the lines of Nelly's death and Ellen's birth being in such close proximity was one the cause of the other and a baptism overlooked ......... but nothing to help. Does anyone know if there is an entry in the Berwickshire 1837 Trade Directory showing an Alexander CHISHOLM and his listed trade? Alan and Anne Middlemass Bearpark, Durham, UK We have not created any attachments to this mail.

From a list of lovely names from parish registers in my little black book I have 1772 Thomas Chizem. No details, I'm afraid, but almost certainly one of the Newcastle upon Tyne parishes. With Martin Bone, schiurgion, Jane Trash, cook, Robert Rake-straw, Margaret Mangles, Mr Jump, excise officer et al, it sounds like Happy Families. Those with probable Scottish connections include Cuthbert Freezer 1673, Elliner Goe-lightly 1659, Jane Mac-in-tosh 1712, John Munckgummery 1598. Makes one thankful for wildcards. Jim Balmer

Hi to all, It's a long time since I have seen any WHITELAW references so I am re posting my direct WHITELAW ancestors. I have more information on the families of many of their siblings which I will be happy to share if anyone thinks they have a link. I have also collected a fair amount of information on a ROX,and BEW WHITELAW line which I am certain is connected, but have not been able to connect so far. 5X GRANDFATHER is: Alexander WHITELAW, was c. South Leith MLN 17 June 1708, married Janet DAVIDSON, 11 December 1733 in Edinburgh MLN. They had at least 4 children: 4X GRANDFATHER is: John WHITELAW, was b. Edinburgh Canongate MLN 29 May 1740, married Isobel WILSON. They had at least 1 child: 3X GREAT GRANDFATHER is: John WHITELAW b. Edinburgh MLN 9 July 1764, married Margaret GILLIES, 5 December 1794 in Midcalder ELN. They had at least 7 children: 2X GREAT GRANDFATHER is: David WHITELAW, possibly b. Midcalder ELN about 1796, married Katharine MILLAR, 15 July 1820 in Midcalder ELN. They had at least 8 children. GREAT GRANDFATHER is David WHITELAW, b. Midcalder ELN 19 December 1826, married Anne JOHNSTON 17 September 1835 in Glamis ANG. They had 7 children) GRANDMOTHER is Barbara WHITELAW, b. Aberdeen ABR 17 May 1865, married James CHISHOLM 9 September 1887 in Davidsons Mains MLN. They had 5 children: Best wishes, Doug & Kit Leitch Solihull UK

Hi to all, It's a long time since I have seen any CHISHOLM references so I am re posting my direct CHISHOLM ancestors. I have more information on the families of many of their siblings which I will be happy to share if anyone thinks they have a link. I have also collected a fair amount of information on other ROX, SEL, and BEW CHISHOLM lines which I have not been able to connect so far. 4X GRANDFATHER is: William CHISHOLM, was c. Ashkirk ROX 24 November 1713, married Jane DOUGLAS, 14 December 1733 in Galashiels SEL They had at least 1 child: 3X GREAT GRANDFATHER is: Walter CHISHOLM c. Galashiels SEL 2 September 1739, married Elizabeth (Elspeth) SMALL, 25 May 1783 in Crailing ROX. They had 8 children: 2X GREAT GRANDFATHER is Alexander CHISHOLM, b. Roxburgh ROX 9 March 1795, c. Roxburgh 19 March 1795, married Margaret BRUNTON, 26 April 1822 in Merton, Earlston ROX They had 12 children. GREAT GRANDFATHER is Alexander CHISHOLM, b. Heathery Hall, Earlston 15 December 1824, c, Earlston, 13 January 1825, married Ann GRIEVE, 26 April 1850 in Kelso ROX. They had 13 children) GRANDFATHER is James CHISHOLM, b. Swinton, BER 30 October 1860, married (1) Barbara WHITELAW 9 June 1887 (2) Barbara JACKSON 8 Aug Best wishes, Doug Leitch Solihull UK

I dont think it would, unless her father was the informant, which seems unlikely. :-) You dont even get a woman's maiden surname until the 1960s. Judy ---------- >From: "Lesley Robertson" <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Subject: RE: [BORDER] Carson >Date: 14, Wed Jan, 2004, 9:13 am > > You need to get her death certificate, or get someone to look at it. > English/Welsh certs are not as informative as scottish one, but it should at > least tell you who her father was. Genuki carries the info on how to get at > such certificates.

>From: [email protected] >Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 12:34:33 EST > >In a piece on her descendants, published in a pamphlet in Arran Township, >Ont, Canada it states that she 'was from a wealthy manufacturing family >living >near the border' - which side is not stated. She refused to go to Canada >apparently because she wished to stay near them. James and Jean were never >wealthy, >so I'm not sure what happened. They eventually moved to a farm near >Bala,Wales in 1833. She died in 1870. > You need to get her death certificate, or get someone to look at it. English/Welsh certs are not as informative as scottish one, but it should at least tell you who her father was. Genuki carries the info on how to get at such certificates. Lesley Robertson _________________________________________________________________ Play online games with your friends with MSN Messenger http://messenger.msn.nl/