Hello Valerie, Thank you for extending your offer of look-ups for migrating Presbyterians! If there are any entries for the surnames VAIR or PATERSON, I would be pleased to see them. Katherine

Hi Jim, In your 11th Feb mail you say "...ANY note of Balmers would be enormously welcome" . I have an Elizabeth (Betty) BALMER marrying a James TURNBULL on 19th June 1803 at St Boswells. She was born abt 1785. No other details about her, I'm afraid, and she's the only BALMER in my tree so far. Regards, Ian Small

While doing look-ups for Presbyterians from the Scottish border counties in Northumberland I noticed the following : At Harbottle Presbyterian Church 1737-1754 : MIDDLEMIST, John; Selkirk 1742 If there is anyone on the BEW or BORDER lists who is unaware of the look-ups I have been doing on the ROX list, I am happy to extend the offer. For your information, there is a list of "Presbyterian Migration into Northumberland" in the Borders Family History Society Magazine No. 19 of June 1992. The introduction says "Printed on the following pages is part of a list of names extracted from the Communion Rolls of some Presbyterian churches in Northumberland. They contain the names of people who had moved from the Scottish Borders into the areas of the churches shown. Under the heading of each church or chapel, the names are followed by place of residence and occupation (where known), the place from which the person came, and the year. Our thanks are extended to the Northumberland and Durham Family History Society for their kind permission to reprint the list and also to Don Mason who researched the article for their Journal." Churches/chapels listed are : Lowick Presbyterian Church 1848-1860 Chattan Presbyterian Church 1850-1860 Harbottle Presbyterian Church 1737-1754 The article continues in the Borders Family History Society Magazine No. 20 of October 1992 which lists : Tower Hill Chapel, Wooler, 1843-1860 Clavering Place, Newcastle 1804-1855 and Westmoreland Road, Newcastle 1855-1860 Seaton Delaval Presbyterian Church 1850-1860 Falstone Presbyterian Church 1795-1860 Etal Presbyterian Church 1777-1783 The lists for each church/chapel range from about 3 (Seaton Delaval) to 90 (Harbottle) names. I am willing to do look-ups if you are willing to be patient. Valerie Henshaw Melbourne, Australia

Hi Everyone The above list has been updated, if you have additions or alterations please advise me. Thanks Gerald Sandwith Surname List Co-ordinator _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger

<Very interesting! I am on a similar quest for the origins of Sir Robert de Hemmer [c 1257] who appears in the Bassenthwaite district of Cumbria> Thanks for your reply. Is a Cross Fleuri the same as a Fleur de Lis? My associating the family with the Knights Templar is purely historical as it was in the 12/1300's that they came to the Borders. All the records I have say the Graydons and their various spellings originated in Berwickshire, other that the de Graydene's who are said to have come from France. I quote 'Robert Graidene (lived Berwickshire c1530) descends from Walter de Graidene in the town & township of Graden 1288' Elizabeth Graydon NZ

In a message dated 06/02/04 21:00:37 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: << For many years myself and others have been trying to trace the origin of Graydon/Graden/Gradon. Did they come from France with the Knights Templar? >> Very interesting! I am on a similar quest for the origins of Sir Robert de Hemmer [c 1257] who appears in the Bassenthwaite district of Cumbria. His gravestone has a cross fleuri carved on it, which I take to be significant. Were your ancestors from that region? Any particular reason why you associate them with the Knights Templar? Chris Highmore tracing HIGHMORE/OOR/OORE/HINDMOOR

Hello list members For many years myself and others have been trying to trace the origin of Graydon/Graden/Gradon. Did they come from France with the Knights Templar? We have Peter, Thomas, Wallter & Hertbert De Gradane circa 1250-1320 descending 7 generations to William Graden c 1465 to Jasper Graden in Lanrig d 1573 and Edmund Graden in Grastanrig prior 1555, Eccles, Berwickshire. One who may have more records in Ninian Gradane in Grastanrig. Sheriff of Berwick d c 1605. Any leads welcomed Elizabeth Graydon New Zealand

> Hello Fellow Listers, > > Has anyone hit a brick wall with their research? I am just finishing off > the Winter Edition of the Border Names News and have room for about 20 > items in the "I need help section". If you would like me to include an > item please email me directly - off list - and it wil go in this > weekend. > > regards > > Linda > > > > > > Border Names News published since 1995 Membership information on request > Becketts Research covering the United KIngdom and New York State USA > > > > > > > > > > >

I was wondering if anyone has any information on the following people: Marriage of Thomas Cleghorn to Betty Laing 24 Jul 1768 Yarrow, Selkirk John Cleghorn christened 21 Aug 1768 Yarrow, Selkirk I am trying to find parents and/or siblings of my gggrandfather John Cleghorn and wonder if this could be him and his parents. Any information you have would be greatly appreciated. Mary Ellen (Cleghorn) Pilmer Leamington, Ontario, Canada

Bob - Here is the address for the Commonwealth War Graves Commission. I hope this is the one you were referring to. Katherine http://www.cwgc.org/cwgcinternet/search.aspx

--=======203B50A0======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-1CF21117; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Nan Have you looked at the FreeCen site for Andrew He is a Hawker and both he and his wife were born in England, so most likely married there. Most unlikely that they married in a Church. I have had difficulty finding Gypsies marriages, maybe there weren't any at that time, or they had there own cermonies. Marion --=======203B50A0======= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-avg=cert; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-1CF21117 Content-Disposition: inline --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.574 / Virus Database: 364 - Release Date: 29/01/04 --=======203B50A0=======--

--=======7F7644F======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-1ABC6EC0; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit A very popular name in Yetholm Could be gypsies. 208 Erected to the memory of ANDREW DOUGLAS died 9/2/1856 aged 80 years also MARY MATHER his wife died 9/11/1858 aged 82 also six children died in infancy 243 Sacred to the memory of ROBERT JERDAN died at Yetholm 14/3/1832 aged 81 and his wife HANNAH DOUGLAS died 12/3/1840 aged 69 and of ISABELLA JERDAN their daughter died 29/3/1864 aged 88 also MARY JERDAN their daughter died 12/9/1867 aged 77 also of MARY DAVIDSON daughter of the siad MARY JERDAN died 20/7/1898 aged 80 260 Here lyse the body of JAMES MIDELMEST died May 1 1743 aged 68 also CHRISTON DOUGLAS his spouse died at Hadden 8 day 1744 aged 63. Reverse: John Middlemess their son died in Elsdon Burn 12th day July 27?? Aged 61 years? Quite a few more Ex Yetholmite --=======7F7644F======= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-avg=cert; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-1ABC6EC0 Content-Disposition: inline --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.574 / Virus Database: 364 - Release Date: 29/01/04 --=======7F7644F=======--

--=======CBC179======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-5F0330B4; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Eckford Erected in Memory of JOHN SINTON died at Arling House, Argyllshire aged 47 also his wife ALISON HALL died at Bowmont Forest 10/3/1866 Memory pf ALEXANDER WEMYSS died 15/11/1875 aged 80 and MARY SINTON his wife died 27/10/1864 aged 65 also three sons JOHN 1862 40, ALEXANDER 1849 aged 24 and WILLIAM 1873 aged 36 Oxnam 168 Sacred to the memory of RICHARD DAVIDSON late tenant Swinnie died 16/12/1838 aged 74 years. JENNET TURNBULL his wife died 22/6/1860 aged 87. WALTER his son died 7/8/1805 aged 4,. WALTER his 7th son died at Cheshunt near Deloraine NSW (Australia)25/12/1847 aged 42. RICHARD his fourth son died at Swinnie 3/9/1852 aged 54 years.HELEN his daughter died at Southdeanmill 7/7/1862 aged 58. JOHN DAVIDSON his son late tenant ARKS died at Wooplaw 29/8/1866 aged 70 years. DOUGLAS DAVIDSON late tenant of Wooplaw died 21/10/1875 aged 68. 36 Reverse: Also ISABELLA SINTON wife of DOUGLAS DAVIDSON died at Chesters 30/3/1885 aged 64 years. WILLIAM DAVIDSON M.A. son of RICHARD DAVIDSON who died at 9 Gladstone Terrace, Edinburgh 23/4/1838 aged 48. JANE YOUNG wife of RICHARD DAVIDSON died at 72 Marchmont Road Edinburgh 18/6/1903 aged 86 years All I could find Marion --=======CBC179======= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-avg=cert; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-5F0330B4 Content-Disposition: inline --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.574 / Virus Database: 364 - Release Date: 29/01/04 --=======CBC179=======--

--=======7FB157F3======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-5F0330B4; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Erected to the memory of JAMES ALLAN flesher in Kelso who died 25/12/1832 aged 73. also MARGARET MARSHALL his wife who died 9/2/1846 aged 76 and ROBERT ALLAN his son who died 13/3/1858 aged 66 also JANE daughter of ROBERT ALLAN died 13/6/1848 aged 8 months Marion To the Person also Researching Allans in Kelso In a section at the back of the Kelso MI there is a list of previously recorded stones which were no longer there in 1980's James Allan died 5/4/1837,spouse Elizabeth Hislop 18/10/1852 Richard Allan 1777 spouse Janet Cockburn 8/8/1811 --=======7FB157F3======= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-avg=cert; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-5F0330B4 Content-Disposition: inline --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.574 / Virus Database: 364 - Release Date: 29/01/04 --=======7FB157F3=======--

--=======28BA36DD======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-5F0330B4; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I found this for Preston Hownam & Linton 43 In memory of GEORGE PRESTON late farmer in Mowhaugh who died at Edinburgh 17/2/1829 aged 68 and was interred in the GreyFriars Churchyard there and of JOHN PRESTON son of the said GEORGE PRESTON and CICILIA PRINGLE his spouse who died at Crailing Kirk Mains 5/8/1827 aged 26(?) and is interred here also five of their other children who died in infancy Stitchill & Hume Enclosure: In loving memory of Archibald Veitch of Hume Hall who died 24/12/1921 aged 63 years and his wife Jane Robertson who died 27/10/1923 aged 64 years. Also of their children William Johnstone Veitch who died in infancy and was interred at Jedburgh. Archibald Preston Veitch who died 11/9/1917 aged 29 years. James Robertson Veitch who died 10/4/1920 aged 34 years. William Jeffrey Veitch their son died 6/8/1940 aged 42. Thomas Douglas Veitch their youngest son who died 3/8/1948 aged 47. Alexander Robertson Veitch their second son who died 21/4/1952 aged 65 and Margaret Wight Rutherford Veitch their daughter who died 23/10/1974 aged 79. None in Crailing and Nisbet, Kelso,Morebattle Yetholm plus a few others Marion --=======28BA36DD======= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-avg=cert; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-5F0330B4 Content-Disposition: inline --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.574 / Virus Database: 364 - Release Date: 29/01/04 --=======28BA36DD=======--

Someone sent a Gov Site they used for finding rank & Number of people who served in the Forces it was an excellent site but I have lost the web page could you send it again Bob

Website address for those of you that asked is www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk This is a chargeable site but the information you can downloaded saves a lot on postage or time visiting centres regards Penny Border Admin

Hello to all AOL users after a week's absence Andrew in the Rootsweb admin has been working hard to resolve the dispute between AOl and Rootsweb and now we are back rember any messages you have missed in the last week can be found in the archives Scotland's People have addedd 100,000 names to the online index births for 1903 marriages for 1928 and deaths for 1953 regards Penny Border Admin

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Hello to everyone from cold Michigan! I'm attempting to solve an ancestral mystery..... Down through EVERY line of our ELLIOT family in Quebec, Canada and Michigan, Wisconsin and Minnesota, USA - we have all been told that our immigrant Scottish ancestor Robert Elliot (b.? 1760? m. 1788 in Sorel, Quebec, Canada to Louise Josephte Savoie) came from "brete de coq" or "tete de coq" in Scotland. I was told, during a Clan Elliot International reunion that there is a Coq Island, and Coq River .... in Northhampton. But, unable to find a Robert Elliot there, I'm wondering if there isn't some landmark, landscape feature that might explain the "brete" or "tete" - in French, tete is "head" and I don't know what "brete" is.... Anyone have any ideas? Help? Thank you for any information you might give, Sincerely, Judy Muhn