Does anyone have any information about either of the two Robert de Cribbes who were signatories of the Ragman Rolls? Would any of you have any sources of potential information about landowners of this period (1296)? One of the Roberts was from Linlithgow, the other from Lanark. Katherine

I would also like to take advantage of the Middlemas interest in case any one has more to add to what I have 1-Alexander MIDDLEMAS b: c1760 d: bef 1860 . . . . 2-Agnes MIDDLEMAS b: abt 1782 in Ladykirk, Berwick, Scotland d: bef 1882 . . . . sp: John GRADEN b: abt 1776 m: 8 Jun 1800 in Kyloe, Northumberland - not certain d: bef 1876 . . . . . . . . 3-Janet GRADEN b: Mar 1800/1 in Ancroft, Northumberland, England d: 4 Oct 1883 in Blanerne - paralysis, many months . . . . . . . . 3-Agnes GRADEN b: c1801 in 'mouth, Northumberland, England. d: 9 Mar 1884 in Ladhope, Selkirk, Scot Elizabeth G NZ

Since we've been doing Middlemiss, I thought I'd toss mine out: I have a Jane MIDDLEMISS who married Adam RENTON 25 Nov 1871 in Coldstream. Their known children are Mary (b 6 June 1873), William (b. abt 1877) and Andrew (b. abt 1878). According to her marriage record, Jane was born abt 1847, d/o Andrew Middlemiss and Mary ???. The 1881 census says that Jane was born in Northumberland. Any one out there with a connection? Anne Hupert In cold & snowy Chicago

>From: James L Balmer <[email protected]> >Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 19:08:06 +0000 > > >Any scraps you come up with could be invaluable. The problem is not unique >to the Balmers, but many of the children seem not to have been registered >at birth, or at least have not found their way onto the GRO(S) website, >There is also often a gap of a generation when a family left the Borders >and again when the ex-Border families left Ireland. It all adds to the >challenge. > Don't forget that GROS (and thus the IGI) is essentially Church of Scotland - if they were any other denomination, their records (such that survive) will be in the National Archive - which requires a visit.... The Borders were a hotbed of dissention in the 19th century - people seemed to switch their denominations fairly frequently. Lesley Robertson _________________________________________________________________ Play online games with your friends with MSN Messenger http://messenger.msn.nl/

Okay, I am NOT a MIDDLEMISS researcher; I know nothing about anyone of that name. However, I have been a member of the Borders Family History Society for the past 12 years (and you all should join it!) and while browsing through some back numbers of the Magazine I noticed the following : - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Borders Family History Society Magazine Issue No. 35; October 1997 in an article entitled "The Gladstones - a Study" by G.M.S. Lauder-Frost, F.S.A. (Scot.) James (Gladstone) (b.1861), a ploughman, married also at Earlston on 30/10/1885 a lassie named Barbara YULE (b:13/2/1857 West Morriston, Legerwood, Berwicks.; d:8/5/1947 at Easter Muirdean, Kelso), daughter to Andrew YULE and his wife Barbara nee HOPE. Here our story develops an additional interest. Both young Barbara and her sister Jane Vallance YULE (b:20/1/1855 West Morriston) had illegitimate boys - one each. Jane's lad, Robert Yule, had as his natural father Robert ALLAN of Stichill Parish and he was born at Spotsmains, Smailholm on 11/7/1880. Barbara's boy, William, had as his natural father Robert MIDDLEMASS (sic) of Kelso and he too was born at Spotsmains on 7th November 1880. Obviously a bad year for the Yules! Robert MIDDLEMISS (sic) became Sergeant of Police at Jedburgh amd married on 1/6/1898 at Denholm, Roxburghshire, a Margaret LITTLE of that parish. I wonder if she knew his secret. James Gladstone was clearly a decent fellow as he took young William into his family and allowed him to use the name GLADSTONE. William became a lumberman, spending some time in Canada before returning to St Boswells. He died unmarried on 13/4/1960. That said, he, like his mother, had a liaison which also produced a boy but I will not cover that line's history further here. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - I cannot provide any further information on any of the above people, but I hope this adds to someone's research. Best wishes, Valerie Melbourne, Australia

Thanks for your posting Lesley. >> There's another Elisabeth Balmer ... >> > She's certainly Borders-based. She's in my system because her > parents-in-law, Thomas Gibson and Ann Bowmaker, lived and died in > Whitsome. Her husband, George, was a stone breaker. > There were other Balmers on the farms of Whitsome in the early 19th > century, but I'm only just getting started on the farming families. Any scraps you come up with could be invaluable. The problem is not unique to the Balmers, but many of the children seem not to have been registered at birth, or at least have not found their way onto the GRO(S) website, There is also often a gap of a generation when a family left the Borders and again when the ex-Border families left Ireland. It all adds to the challenge. Kind regards, Jim Balmer

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In order to take advantage of the current interest in the Middlemiss family (ies), here's two very incomplete branches from my Whitsome database: >From the 1881 census for Earlston: [unknown] Middlemiss married Jane [unknown] (she b. abt 1797 in Gordon, ag. serv.). 3 known children - Janet (abt 1828, Yetholm), Thomas (abt 1835), John (abt 1839, Whitsome). >From the 1881 for legerwood: John Middlemiss (abt 1786, Chirnside) had a [name unknown] son. This son married Jessie McDougal (abt 1825, Sprouston, Rox) and they had at least 1 daughter - Isabella G. Middlemiss (abt 1851, Whitsome). She went on to marry [unknown] Gray. I doubt whether the two branches are related to each other - and there were at least 2 other Middlemiss families linked to Whitsome at that time. Any thoughts, anyone? Lesley Robertson _________________________________________________________________ Play online games with your friends with MSN Messenger http://messenger.msn.nl/

>From: dave and mary ellen <[email protected]> >Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 15:49:28 -0500 > >In our family tree we have a George Gibson PILMER born 14 Sept 1828 in >Edinburgh married on 7 Dec 1847 in Edinburgh to Isabella BROWN born about >1832 in Edinburgh. We know George Gibson Pilmer is the son of John Pilmer >born 1808 (possibly in Yorkshire England) and Grace Mathieson born 1803 >(possibly born in Bengal India). That is as far back as we have been able >to trace the family. We have heard that there were many Pilmers in Duns and >wonder if he could somehow be related to the George Gibson from Duns >mentioned in the message above. We have never known where the name Gibson >comes from in his name. I know it is a practice to carry on the maternal >surname as a middle name but have never been able to find a Gibson >ancestor. Any information anyone could supply on any of the above >mentioned people would be greatly appreciated. > While nothing is impossible, Gibson is a fairly common surname, and I've not come across the name Pilmer. Have you checked his baptismal entry in Edinburgh? That might provide more clues as it should at least show the parish. If he was born in 1828, you might be lucky and have one or more of his parents living into 1855 and the realm of death certs. It's an unusual enough name that it might be worth checking the Scotland's people index. Female deaths are indexed on both surnames - find her in the index first as Grace Plimer and then look for a duplicate entry as Grace Mathieson - download her death cert for her family plus whether or not she was a widow. Lesley Robertson _________________________________________________________________ MSN Search, for accurate results! http://search.msn.nl

>From: James L Balmer <[email protected]> >Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 20:34:33 +0000 > >>There's another Elisabeth Balmer who married George Gibson in Duns, BEW, >>in 1864. She was apparently born about 1835 in Greenlaw, BEW. No idea who >>her parents were. > >I have a feeling that she may turn out to be from one of the Border >families, possibly in service in Duns. > She's certainly Borders-based. She's in my system because her parents-in-law, Thomas Gibson and Ann Bowmaker, lived and died in Whitsome. Her husband, George, was a stone breaker. There were other Balmers on the farms of Whitsome in the early 19th century, but I'm only just getting started on the farming families. Lesley Robertson _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

Hi Helen, At Chattan Presbyterian Church 1850-1860 : AINSLIE, Isabella; Hepburn, Yetholm 1857 This is the only mention of AINSLIE. Valerie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob & Helen" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 6:00 PM Subject: AINSLIE, Border Migration > Hi Valerie would appreciate if you can find any mention of AINSLIE from > Chirnside Berwick migration across the border. They were mostly christened > at Buncle and Preston Parish. A George, Archibald and James definitely > settled in England but no details of why. Helen Canada

Coldingham is a parish in Berwickshire. I don't think I can help you. You should be looking for MIs. The look-ups I was doing were of people from the Scottish side of the border who had relocated to some parishes in Northumberland, England and joined Presbyterian churches there. The SGV have a printed list of pre-1855 MIs in Berwickshire, but bear in mind not everyone could afford a gravestone. Valerie ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 7:00 AM Subject: Re: [BORDER] Lookups Hi Valerie Would you happen to have anything on the death of an Adam Dickson in the Coldingham parish after 1853? I think this man would have been born between 1790-1800. ????? His wife was Ann. She is susposed to have died before 1853. Born around 1800, married and had 5 children, so her death date would have to have been between 1841 and 1853. In the 1841 census they lived (worked) at Cairncross farm near Reston Scotland. Thanks Beth

Unfortunately I can't see any entries for HASTIE or any variants of SCOULAR. Sorry. Valerie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Landen Schooler" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 1:40 AM Subject: Re: [BORDER] Middlemiss (and cross-border migration) > How about any HASTIE, SCHOOLER, SCOULER or SCOULLER? > > Landen Schooler > Palmyra, Iowa

Hi Gil, At Harbottle Presbyterian Church 1737-1754 : HALL, Ellioner (sic); Oxnam 1745 HALL, Thomas; Minto 1741 HENDERSON, Robert; Edrom 1750 HENDERSON, Susy; Jedburgh 1751 HENDERSON, Thomas, Jedburgh 1747 At Seaon Delaval Presbyterian Church 1850-1860: Christiana HENDERSON, Arcot Hall, servant, Jedburgh 1855 Valerie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gil Hall" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 3:10 AM Subject: Re: [BORDER] Middlemiss (and cross-border migration) > Hallo Valerie, > > Would you mind looking for Thomas & Janet HALL (nee HENDERSON) and family. > The first sighting we have is on the 1841 census at Oxnam, but still looking > for the marriage and the childrens' baptisms. > > TIA > > Gil. Hall.

Hi Marion, At Harbottle Presbyterian Church 1737-1754 : KERR, Margaret; Abbotsrule 1741 KERR, Robert; Oxnam 1742 KOR (?KERR), Jannet; Coldstream 1746 KOR, Thomas; Morebattle 1740 At Seaon Delaval Presbyterian Church 1850-1860: Jane KER, Backworth, servant, Lauder 1860 All brackets and question marks are as transcribed. Valerie ----- Original Message ----- From: "john keers" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 11:18 PM Subject: cross border migration > Please could you look for any mention of KER or KERR(s), or even KEIR/KIER > > Marion Keers

Noticed with interest the following message: "Dear Leslie, > There's another Elisabeth Balmer who married George Gibson in Duns, > BEW, in 1864. She was apparently born about 1835 in Greenlaw, BEW. No > idea who her parents were. I have a feeling that she may turn out to be from one of the Border families, possibly in service in Duns. Regards, Jim Balmer" In our family tree we have a George Gibson PILMER born 14 Sept 1828 in Edinburgh married on 7 Dec 1847 in Edinburgh to Isabella BROWN born about 1832 in Edinburgh. We know George Gibson Pilmer is the son of John Pilmer born 1808 (possibly in Yorkshire England) and Grace Mathieson born 1803 (possibly born in Bengal India). That is as far back as we have been able to trace the family. We have heard that there were many Pilmers in Duns and wonder if he could somehow be related to the George Gibson from Duns mentioned in the message above. We have never known where the name Gibson comes from in his name. I know it is a practice to carry on the maternal surname as a middle name but have never been able to find a Gibson ancestor. Any information anyone could supply on any of the above mentioned people would be greatly appreciated. Regards Mary Ellen (Cleghorn) Pilmer

Hello Ralph Just did a quick look on the IGI and there is a marriage of Ralph HUNTER and Isabella MACKEY 18 Jun 1815 (about right time frame) All Saints Newcastle. Most of the marriages for the churches around The Rookin and Belshiel are on the IGI with the exception of Bellingham. I have relatives who live very close by the Rookin and have seen it myself several times during visits over the last year. Churches in the area are Bellingham, Byrness, Horsley, Elsdon, Birdhopecraig, Harbottle, Falstone, Alwinton and a bit further you will be looking at Simonburn and Harbottle. There are probably others that people might like to add. Lesley ----- Original Message ----- From: Melvyn Hunter To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 7:45 AM Subject: [BORDER] Ralph Hunter Dear Listers, My ggg-grandfather was Ralph Hunter, born by calculation from census returns, death certificate and burial record somewhere between 1780 and 1788. One census return stated he was born at Newbrough, but I can find nothing in the church records that fits. I then came across a record at Simonburn stating that Ralph was born at Little Lonbrough to the west of Simonburn. Since, though, I have found yet another record at Newbrough stating that at leasst three children baptised at that church were born to Ralph Hunter, labourer of Little Lonbrough and Jane French. My Ralph was married to Isabella (unknown maiden name). He was later a coal miner and coal owner, living at The Rooken in Kielder Forest and then Belshiel to the south of the A68, where he died. He was buried at Elsdon in 1860 (no stone). Any help, other ideas of where to look, etc. would be gratefully received. Melvyn. ==== BORDER Mailing List ==== Borders includes Selkirkshire, Roxburghshire, Berwickshire, Peebleshire. We also welcome family researchers for Dumfries and Galloway, Kirkudbrightshire, Northumberland and Cumbria --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.588 / Virus Database: 372 - Release Date: 13/02/2004

Dear Listers, My ggg-grandfather was Ralph Hunter, born by calculation from census returns, death certificate and burial record somewhere between 1780 and 1788. One census return stated he was born at Newbrough, but I can find nothing in the church records that fits. I then came across a record at Simonburn stating that Ralph was born at Little Lonbrough to the west of Simonburn. Since, though, I have found yet another record at Newbrough stating that at leasst three children baptised at that church were born to Ralph Hunter, labourer of Little Lonbrough and Jane French. My Ralph was married to Isabella (unknown maiden name). He was later a coal miner and coal owner, living at The Rooken in Kielder Forest and then Belshiel to the south of the A68, where he died. He was buried at Elsdon in 1860 (no stone). Any help, other ideas of where to look, etc. would be gratefully received. Melvyn.

Hi Valerie would appreciate if you can find any mention of AINSLIE from Chirnside Berwick migration across the border. They were mostly christened at Buncle and Preston Parish. A George, Archibald and James definitely settled in England but no details of why. Helen Canada