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Just a thought Pauline. Anne/Nancy/Agnes are all variations on the same name, so Nancy and Annie could well be one and the same person. Cheers, Pat McClay > Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 08:29:45 +0100> From: polly@thomas9876.freeserve.co.uk> To: BORDER@rootsweb.com> Subject: [BORDER] FIDLER OF WETHERAL> > Annie Mary FIDLER (nee WHITFIELD) died 13 March1943 at 'Oaklands' > Wetheral age 78, she was the widow of Edward Fidler an Agricultural > Merchant.> > Present at her death was Annie H Fidler, daughter.> > Her Will only mentions two daughters Nancy Fidler and Dorothy Whitfield > Fidler so I am wondering if the Annie H Fidler is a misprint on the > death certificate.> > I would very much like to make contact with anyone from this family, I > have spent many years researching the Whitfield side of the family and > am happy to share what I know.> > Kind regards, Pauline Thomas (nee Whitfield)> > > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BORDER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Annie Mary FIDLER (nee WHITFIELD) died 13 March1943 at 'Oaklands' Wetheral age 78, she was the widow of Edward Fidler an Agricultural Merchant. Present at her death was Annie H Fidler, daughter. Her Will only mentions two daughters Nancy Fidler and Dorothy Whitfield Fidler so I am wondering if the Annie H Fidler is a misprint on the death certificate. I would very much like to make contact with anyone from this family, I have spent many years researching the Whitfield side of the family and am happy to share what I know. Kind regards, Pauline Thomas (nee Whitfield)

I have it!!! In affectionate remembrance of THOMAS BROWN who died at Ancrum 11.3.1888 aged 72 years. Also ISABL. TURNBALL who died at Ancrum 26.1.1897 aged 80 years. J. McEWAN BROWN their son who died at Ancrum 19.4.1887 aged 27 years. Side: Also GEORGE BROWN their son who died at William Rigg 19.2.1894 aged 41 years. regards Kerry >>>>>If anyone on the list has Monumental Inscriptions for Ancrum could you please check for anyone with the surname Brown, in particular, Thomas Brown died March 11th 1888, and his wife Isabella Brown ms Turnbull died Jan 26th 1897,also their son John died 1887 age 27yrs. thank you for any help. Amanda, Canada.

Hello Amanda The following is No. 12 in the Ancrum M.I.s In affectionate remembrance of THOMAS BROWN who died at Ancrum 11.3.1888 aged 72 years. Also ISABEL TURNBULL who died at Ancrum 26-1-1897 aged 80 years. also J.McEWAN BROWN their son who died at Ancrum 19-4-1887 aged 27 years. Side: Also GEORGE BROWN their son who died at William Rigg 19-2-1894 aged 41 years. There are 15 other entries if you wish me to e-mail. Best wishes Carmel

Does anyone have access to the OPRs for Ancrum,1840-1852,? perhaps you can help sort out this puzzle, >From the IGI, I have recorded the births of the children of THOMAS BROWN and ISABELLA TURNBULL, all Ancrum; Thomas ch 29th Mar 1840, Richard ch 28th Jan 1843, Isabella ch 1st Mar 1845, Elisabeth Davidson Brown b 3rd April 1846, Janet Ann b 10th Nov 1856, John McEwan Brown b 12th June 1859, notice the gap between 1846 and 1859, the only Margaret Scott Brown is recorded as the dau of Archibald Brown and Isabella Turnbull b 21st May 1854, they also had ,dau Agnes b 3rd Jan 1849 and son George b 9th June 1852. I also checked these on Scotland's People with the same result. So did the minister make a mistake and write Archibald instead of Thomas, or are they the same person? In 1861 the family all appear to be living together in Ancrum; Thomas Brown age 44, Isabella Brown age 44, Thomas age 21, Richard age 18, Isabella age 16, Elizabeth age 14, Agnes age 11, George age 8, Margaret S Brown age 6, Janet Ann age 4, John age 1. the family are on 2 pages and I have not seen the image. The 1851 Census shows Agnes Brown age 1yr as the dau of Thomas and Isabella Brown. Thomas and Isabella are still alive in 1881 and living at Causewayend,Ancrum, Thomas age 63yrs,saw miller,born Ancrum, Isabella age 64, born Ancrum. John Mc E Brown ,son,age 21,gardener,born Ancrum, Their son Richard Brown is living nearby at Monteviot Cottage, Jane Kerss,widow,74,born Crailing. Richard Brown,son in law,38,mason,born Ancrum, Margaret Brown,dau,35,born Crailing, Thomas Brown,gson,5,scholar,born Ancrum. This is probably their son George, 4 Bourtree Place,Hawick. George Brown,mar 28,sawyer,born Ancrum, Christina Brown,wife,18,born Stow. Thomas Brown died March 11th 1888 age 70yrs,formerly wood merchant,married to Isabella Turnbull,at Causewayend,Ancrum, father Thomas Brown,farmer, mother Elisabeth Brown,ms Davidson,both dec, notified by Richard Brown,son,Monteviot Cottage. Isabella Brown died Jan 26th 1897 ,at Causewayend,Ancrum,widow of Thomas Brown,age 80yrs, father Richard Turnbull,builder,dec, mother Janet Turnbull,ms Walker,dec,notified by Thomas Brown, (hard to read),son, address looks like Jarrow, this is in the north east of England. This record has a corrected entry,correction of the deceased mothers name, John McEwan Brown and George Brown are buried with their parents in Ancrum. There is a Janet Ann Brown marrying Robert Scott in Ancrum,1892, also Richard Brown married Janet Rutherford Kerss,Ancrum,1874. Does anyone have a connection or ideas? Not one of my families but trying to help someone else out. Amanda, Canada.

Thank you Carmel and Kerry for the info,that's a great help. I know there is a place called Well Rig at Ancrum, but I have not heard of a William Rigg, Best wishes Amanda.

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As an aid to quicker recognition of FAMILY names, please will listers use UPPER CASE when mentioning family names. It will help people like me who are increasingly finding my reading is slowing down! Many thanks, Chris HIGHMORE [researching HIGHMOOR/OORE/ORE, HYMORE and related spellings]

If anyone on the list has Monumental Inscriptions for Ancrum could you please check for anyone with the surname Brown, in particular, Thomas Brown died March 11th 1888, and his wife Isabella Brown ms Turnbull died Jan 26th 1897,also their son John died 1887 age 27yrs. thank you for any help. Amanda, Canada.

>From: "Susan Donaldson" <susanpdonaldson@btinternet.com> >Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 18:43:27 +0100 >* Children Elizabeth 1846, Margaret 1848 and Mary Ann 1851. No record >found for daugher Jane. She may have been born after 1855 when BMD were >introduced in Scotland. Since the IGI has extracted BMDs from 1855 to 1875, I had a quick look. She's there - born 21 May 1855. You may or may not know that BMD certs from 1855 were amazingly informative - it was the first year and they got carried away. As well as the usual info (child and parents names, etc) they give parental ages and birthplaces, year and place of marriage, and number of other children, specifying male or female, and living or dead. This one would definitely be worth getting from Scotlands People. There's also another child - Christina Porter Temple born 1 Mar 1859 Hutton. Lesley Robertson

Hi, Lesley. I looked up info you request and found the following, with somepuzzles! Index to pre-1855 christenings and marriages in the Old Parish Records forBerwickshire* John Temple born 29th Feb. 1824 - parents John Temple and MargaretOrkney who married 10th June 1814. * Other children were Margaret born 1815, Jane 1816, Mary 1819 andWilliam 1821. * John Temple married Jane Porter 5th June 1845. Marriage recorded inthe two parishes of Chirnside & Hutton. * Children Elizabeth 1846, Margaret 1848 and Mary Ann 1851. No recordfound for daugher Jane. She may have been born after 1855 when BMD wereintroduced in Scotland. Index to 1841 Census for Chirnside* At Chirnside Village, the senior family of John Temple aged 50 andJane Temple aged 25. At Ninewells Mains, Margaret Temple aged 25. Index to 1851 Census for Chirnside* At Chirnside Village John Temple, widower aged 63, handloom weaver,Jane, daughter aged 34 at paper mill * Also at Chirnside Village John Temple aged 27, wife Jane 27,Elizabeth 4 and Margaret 2. (Sorry forgot to note down John's occupationbut will check this again) Query ?? You said that John & Jane Porter's daughter, also Jane, marriedWilliam Tait in 1845. Presume this must be a mistake, as it was her parentswho married in 1845. Can you clarify? Hope this is of interest and let me know if I can help further. Susan. * -----Original Message-----From: border-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:border-bounces@rootsweb.com]OnBehalf Of Lesley & Terry RuppelSent: 15 September 2006 13:26To: border@rootsweb.comSubject: [BORDER] Temple Hutton Berwick Hi Listers, I noticed someone looking up information about people in Hutton Berwick. I was hoping they may have a look for me. John Temple born Chirnside 1824 married Jane Porter no birthdate,Their daughter Jane my gg grandmother married William Tait 6 June 1845. I have no idea where they were married. Or where William Tait was born or his parents names. Would the information i need be on the parish record if i could find out where they were married?.Any help pointing me in the right direction would help. Thank you. Lesley Ontario. Formerly from Belford Northumberland.----- Original Message ----- From: <border-request@rootsweb.com>To: <border@rootsweb.com>Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 3:04 AMSubject: BORDER Digest, Vol 1, Issue 14 >>> Today's Topics:>> 1. Re: William Allan and Elizabeth Fairington, Paxton (Mary Newbery)>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------->> Message: 1> Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:48:27 +0100 (BST)> From: Mary Newbery <marynewbery@yahoo.co.uk>> Subject: Re: [BORDER] William Allan and Elizabeth Fairington, Paxton> To: border@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <20060913134827.76390.qmail@web26015.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1>> Dear Susan,> Thank you for looking. I suspect a second marriage so may have to look > through collections sometime. The other William was son of the first > William and Mary. Seems maybe both died. Did you have a note of who Adam > was living with?> Best wishes and many thanks for your trouble,> Mary> PS I think all the other Allans are mine as long as they were shoemakers!>> Susan Donaldson <susanpdonaldson@btinternet.com> wrote:> Hi, Mary, I have looked up info. for you on the Index to pre-1855 Old> Parish Records for Berwickshire and also the Census Returns for Hutton but> found the results a bit confusing:>> * I found the William Allan & Mary Paxton marriage in 1798 at> Chirnside and also the following children born to them:> Moses christened 26 Nov. 1803 at Hutton> Mary christened 17 May 1814 at Hutton>> * I could not find a record of the marriage of William Allan and> Elizabeth Fairington. I found no reference to Paxton at all, though Paxton> is in Hutton parish. The family were at Paddy Mill Cottage, Hutton in > 1841.>>> * I found the christening entries for their children:> Adam - 17 May 1833> Agnes - 27 June 1835> If the tradtional Scottish naming pattern is followed then the eldest son> would be named after the paternal grandfather and eldest daughter after > the> maternal grandmother, but I could find no entry for a birth/christening > for> William & Elizabeth, born c.1778 and c.1797, according to the 1841 census> entry.>> * I looked up the 1851 census for Hutton but there were no entries for> William & Elizabeth aged 73 and 54 However I did find their two children:> Adam was a pauper, Ag. Lab aged 17 a lodger in Hutton village> Agnes was a servant, aged 15 at the Union Bridge Toll, Hutton with the> family of the tollkeeper>> * It started getting confusing because there was another William &> Elizabeth Allan. He was also a shoemaker in Hutton, but born Chirnside and> his wife was an Elizabeth Patterson. They had 7 children in the 1851 > census> including a Moses, who I traced in the OPR index. There were only three> Moses Allan's in the whole of Berwickshire listed, so somehow I feel there> must be a connection when your William Allan also had a Moses with Mary> Paxton. Your "Moses" was not in Hutton in 1851. There were plenty of> Allans, shoemakers of Hutton in the census.>> If you want any printouts from the above recrods, do let me know and I > will> send my address. The centre charges 40p per printout + postage - large A4> envelope.>> Hope this helps, even if it falls short of what you really wanted. I > enjoyed> looking it up. Susan.>>>>>> -----Original Message-----> From: border-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:border-bounces@rootsweb.com]On> Behalf Of Mary> Sent: 06 September 2006 18:25> To: border@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [BORDER] William Allan and Elizabeth Fairington, Paxton>>> Dear Susan,> That would be great. I didn't see them in 1851 unfortunately as that would> have given me William's birthplace too. Eliz and children must still be> around somewhere.> I'll be away next week but should be picking up emails whilst away.> Thanks for your help. Hope they show up.> Mary> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Susan Donaldson"> To:> Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 6:15 PM> Subject: Re: [BORDER] William Allan and Elizabeth Fairington, Paxton>>>> Hi, Mary - I will be across at the Scottish Borders Archives next week so>> will look up info. for you and get back to you a.s.a.p. Susan.>>>> -----Original Message----->> From: border-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:border-bounces@rootsweb.com]On>> Behalf Of Mary>> Sent: 06 September 2006 11:05>> To: BORDER-L@rootsweb.com>> Subject: [BORDER] William Allan and Elizabeth Fairington, Paxton>>>>>> Dear listers,>> I wonder if anyone could help me find a marriage for this couple about>> 1832/3 or earlier?>> I am descended from a William Allan and Mary Paxton. Mary died in the>> early>> 1830s and on the 1841 census for Paxton there is a William Allan,>> shoemaker,>> aged 63 and an Elizabeth 44 with children Adam 8 and Agnes 6 who were the>> children of William Allan and Elizabeth Fairington.At the moment it is>> supposition but it is certainly possible that this William was previously>> Mary Paxton's husband.>> I had not put 2x2 together when I was at the record office in Selkirk, >> and>> am now kicking myself.>> If anyone can clarify or disprove my theory I'd be grateful.>> Best wishes,>> Mary>>>> ------------------------------->> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to>> BORDER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes>> in the subject and the body of the message>> -->> No virus found in this incoming message.>> Checked by AVG Free Edition.>> Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/438 - Release Date: >> 05/09/2006>>>> -->> No virus found in this outgoing message.>> Checked by AVG Free Edition.>> Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/438 - Release Date: >> 05/09/2006>>>>>> ------------------------------->> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to>> BORDER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes>>> in the subject and the body of the message>>>>>> ___________________________________________________________> The all-new Yahoo! 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Hi, Harry - I have found a number of Neil families in the indexes to censuses for Jedburgh 1851 and 1861. Can you give me any info. on Christian names and farms? Look forward to hearing from you, before I type out all the detail of all the families. Susan. -----Original Message----- From: border-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:border-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Audnarry@aol.com Sent: 16 September 2006 10:14 To: BORDER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [BORDER] Neil family Can you help me please I am seeking information about the Neil family who farmed for several generations in the Jedburgh during the 18200s up to about 1900. Regards Harry jackson ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BORDER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.4/449 - Release Date: 15/09/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.4/449 - Release Date: 15/09/2006

-----Original Message----- From: border-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:border-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Heather Matson Sent: 15 September 2006 22:10 To: border@rootsweb.com Cc: truppel@wightman.ca Subject: Re: [BORDER] Hutton Berwick Hi Lesley I too have roots in Hutton and I am trying to connect my indirect line now. I have a Jane Porter born 8 Dec 1821 - father David Porter and mother Elizabeth Cairns. All of their 10 children were born in Hutton. I only know what happened to 6 of them. Do you think she may be your Jane? Regards Heather from Australia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BORDER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.4/449 - Release Date: 15/09/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.4/449 - Release Date: 15/09/2006

Thanks Nancy I had thought of Gilsland but the census entry does not really look like it and it does seem to be 'out of area'. I suppose the place could have been misheard because of the Cumbrian accent. However, I will look at Gilsland again now that you have suggested it. Gill in France > Hi Gill, > > Don't know if this will help you or not, but as soon as I read your query > "Gilsland" sprang to mind. It is a village near Hadrians Wall in Cumbria. > Funnily enough I have a friend who originally came from a farm near Gilsland > and she married a Forster - not John though!! > > Nancy in the Scottish Borders. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gill Foster" <gillfoster@cegetel.net> > To: <BORDER@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 3:38 PM > Subject: [BORDER] FORSTER/FOSTER > > > >> Hi all >> >> I wonder if anyone can help me? >> >> My gt. gt grandfather was Richard Forster or Foster who married Jane >> Wright in 1842 in Carlisle. On the marriage certificate his father is >> John Foster described as a farmer. Richard gives his place of birth on >> the 1851 census as Gillend or Gillenk, Cumberland. Subsequent censuses >> only give Cumberland as the place of birth. >> >> My difficulty is that I cannot trace Gillend (I have not found a farm of >> this name belonging to a John Foster) and and there are severalJohn >> Fosters who were farmers in the Carlisle area. Can anyone shine any >> light onto these people? I'd be grateful for any suggestions that would >> help me to find the correct John Forster. >> >> Thank you. >> >> Gill >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BORDER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BORDER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

My apologies List and Susan, This should be addressed to Heather from Australia ! Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Brookes" <redcars@shaw.ca> To: <> Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 7:32 AM Subject: Re: [BORDER] Hutton Berwick > Hi Susan, > I have been following this thread a bit and noticed CAIRNS, and would > like to compare notes on that line, as I have a Mathewson CAIRNS born > about 1805, who married a John NELSON in 1824. > Unfortunately, I do not have much more on Mathewson. > > regards, > Gary in Vancouver

Hi Susan, I have been following this thread a bit and noticed CAIRNS, and would like to compare notes on that line, as I have a Mathewson CAIRNS born about 1805, who married a John NELSON in 1824. Unfortunately, I do not have much more on Mathewson. regards, Gary in Vancouver

Hi Gill, Don't know if this will help you or not, but as soon as I read your query "Gilsland" sprang to mind. It is a village near Hadrians Wall in Cumbria. Funnily enough I have a friend who originally came from a farm near Gilsland and she married a Forster - not John though!! Nancy in the Scottish Borders. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gill Foster" <gillfoster@cegetel.net> To: <BORDER@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 3:38 PM Subject: [BORDER] FORSTER/FOSTER > Hi all > > I wonder if anyone can help me? > > My gt. gt grandfather was Richard Forster or Foster who married Jane > Wright in 1842 in Carlisle. On the marriage certificate his father is > John Foster described as a farmer. Richard gives his place of birth on > the 1851 census as Gillend or Gillenk, Cumberland. Subsequent censuses > only give Cumberland as the place of birth. > > My difficulty is that I cannot trace Gillend (I have not found a farm of > this name belonging to a John Foster) and and there are severalJohn > Fosters who were farmers in the Carlisle area. Can anyone shine any > light onto these people? I'd be grateful for any suggestions that would > help me to find the correct John Forster. > > Thank you. > > Gill > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BORDER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all I wonder if anyone can help me? My gt. gt grandfather was Richard Forster or Foster who married Jane Wright in 1842 in Carlisle. On the marriage certificate his father is John Foster described as a farmer. Richard gives his place of birth on the 1851 census as Gillend or Gillenk, Cumberland. Subsequent censuses only give Cumberland as the place of birth. My difficulty is that I cannot trace Gillend (I have not found a farm of this name belonging to a John Foster) and and there are severalJohn Fosters who were farmers in the Carlisle area. Can anyone shine any light onto these people? I'd be grateful for any suggestions that would help me to find the correct John Forster. Thank you. Gill