--=======3DF3502======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-66A93BCE; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >X-Originating-IP: [207.40.200.41] >X-Sender: ppayne1203@earthlink.net@pop.earthlink.net >X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 >Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 18:32:02 -0400 >To: LUMBEE-admin@rootsweb.com, BAILEY-admin@rootsweb.com, > DARE-admin@rootsweb.com, COOPER-admin@rootsweb.com, > STEVENS-admin@rootsweb.com, SAMPSON-admin@rootsweb.com, > HARVEY-admin@rootsweb.com, PRATT-admin@rootsweb.com, > HOWE-admin@rootsweb.com, JOHNSON-admin@rootsweb.com, > WARNER-admin@rootsweb.com, CAGE-admin@rootsweb.com, > JONES-admin@rootsweb.com, VICARS-admin@rootsweb.com, > ENGLISH-FAMILY-admin@rootsweb.com, BERRY-admin@rootsweb.com, > BUTLER-admin@rootsweb.com, POWELadmin@rootsweb.com, > BURDEN-admin@rootsweb.com, HIND-admin@rootsweb.com, > WILES-admin@rootsweb.com, BROOKE-admin@rootsweb.com, > WHITE-admin@rootsweb.com, BRIGHT-admin@rootsweb.com, > TAYLOR-admin@rootsweb.com, SOULE-admin@rootsweb.com, > NEWTON-admin@rootsweb.com, COLMAN-admin@rootsweb.com, > GRAHAM-admin@rootsweb.com, BENNET-admin@rootsweb.com, > GIBBS-admin@rootsweb.com, STILLMAN-admin@rootsweb.com, > WILKINSON-admin@rootsweb.com, LITTLE-admin@rootsweb.com, > WYLES-admin@rootsweb.com, MARTIN-admin@rootsweb.com, > SUTTON-admin@rootsweb.com, FARR-UK-admin@rootsweb.com, > BRIDGER-admin@rootsweb.com, ELLIS-admin@rootsweb.com, > BROWNE-ENG-admin@rootsweb.com, MALLET-admin@rootsweb.com, > SMITH-admin@rootsweb.com, KEIM-admin@rootsweb.com, > HARRIS-admin@rootsweb.com, EARNEST-admin@rootsweb.com, > LUCAS-admin@rootsweb.com, WRIGHT-admin@rootsweb.com, > DUTTON-admin@rootsweb.com, ALLEN-admin@rootsweb.com, > WATERS-admin@rootsweb.com, ARTHUR-admin@rootsweb.com, > CHAPMAN-admin@rootsweb.com, CLEMENT-admin@rootsweb.com, > LITTLE-admin@rootsweb.com, WOOTEN-admin@rootsweb.com, > BISHOP-admin@rootsweb.com, TOMKINS-admin@rootsweb.com, > DURELadmin@rootsweb.com, FLORY-admin@rootsweb.com, > MILTON-admin@rootsweb.com, NICHOLLS-UK-admin@rootsweb.com, > BORDEN-admin@rootsweb.com, SCOTT-admin@rootsweb.com, > LACEY-admin@rootsweb.com, CHAUVIN-admin@rootsweb.com, > HEWETT-admin@rootsweb.com, BIRD-admin@rootsweb.com, > HUMPHREY-admin@rootsweb.com, WITHERS-admin@rootsweb.com, > SMART-admin@rootsweb.com, Genealogy-DNA-admin@rootsweb.com, > NA-FAMILY-LEGENDS-admin@rootsweb.com, > NATIVE-AMERICAN-NEWS-admin@rootsweb.com, NATIVE-VOICES-admin@rootsweb.com, > NATIVEAMERICAN-DELMARVA-admin@rootsweb.com, > POWHATAN-INDIANS-admin@rootsweb.com, CHEROKEE-admin@rootsweb.com, > CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com >From: Patrick Payne <ppayne1203@earthlink.net> >Subject: Non-Subscriber Request > > >Dear Fellow List Administrator, > >My name is Patrick Payne and I am the admin for the Payne-Pre1700, >London-Companys, and Lost-Colony lists. I am undertaking a project that >requires me to make a post to your list. However, the post will be made to >several lists and I do not wish to subscribe to them all. It is a one time >post in an effort to locate participants for my project that could include >members of your list. Therefore, I am asking for your assistance to make >this one time post. I would be most grateful if you would post the >following if you deem my request appropriate. This project will be a >challenge that will only succeed if proper participation is obtained. That >is where your list will be helpful. > >I realize that there are sometimes several lists for a surname, and you >may be aware of others or perhaps be in contact with the list >administrator of those lists. If so, I would like to further ask that you >forward this post on to them to ensure the widest dissemination possible. >I hope that after reading the post, you will find my request worthy of >your effort and consideration. > >Sincerely, > >Patrick A. Payne >12617 Cleydael Blvd. >King George, Virginia 22485 >(540) 775-4147 >ppayne1203@earthlink.net > > >A case for solving the Mystery of the "Lost Colony." See web site at >http://papayne.rootsweb.com/Lost-Colony > >I am sure that everyone is familiar to some degree with Sir Walter >Ralegh's "Lost Colony" that has become engrained in our American folklore >and is our countries most enduring mystery. > >Under Governor John White, 150 men, women and children, set out on May >8th, 1587, from Plymouth, England, for the new Virginia colony. On August >27th, at the request of the colonists, the Governor, and one other man, >departed from the colony to return to England for badly needed supplies >and support. No white man was to ever see these colonists again. > >For over 400 years, many theories have been put forth as to what became of >the colonists, but none of these have solved the mystery as proof is >lacking to support them. Among these theories, it has been claimed that >the colonists had either been massacred by the local Indian population or >by the Spanish. Yet no remains have ever been found to indicate that this >occurred. In fact, the evidence points to an orderly abandonment of the >colony. They had taken the time to pull down the structures they had >erected and to bury the personal items of Governor White, as they had >agreed to do before his departure. They had even left the marks of "CRO" >and "CROATOAN," without the cross as a sign of distress, which they had >also agreed upon with Governor White. As a result, the prevailing >conclusion is that the colonists had simple removed themselves from >Roanoke Island to some other place. Many believe that they had either >sought to join with the Croatoan Indians or that Croatoan indicated a >place rather than a people. There are those that believe the traditions >held by the Lumbee and other Indian Tribes that they are descendants of >the Lost Colonists who had assimilated into their population. The Lumbee >tradition is particularly interesting and long-standing, while researchers >have also suggested other Tribes as the possible haven for the colonists. > >With this brief narrative of the problem confronting historians who would >solve the mystery of the Lost Colony, I would like to acquaint you with a >possible solution that I am now undertaking. You, or perhaps someone you >know, may be able to assist in this effort by participating in this project. > >In January of 2002, I coordinated a Payne family DNA project in an effort >to determine if there was any genetic evidence to support my research >indicating that some of our 17th century Payne families, which came to >America at that early date, had been related. The project met with a great >deal of success [http://home.earthlink.net/~ppayne1203]. During the >process, however, it occurred to me that we also had the opportunity to >perhaps solve some of the questions surrounding the Lost Colony, as one of >the colonists in 1587 had been a Henry Payne. There are claims among >Native American Tribes that they are descendants of the 1587 colonists- >particularly of Henry Payne among the Lumbee. Researchers and historians >have also suggested other Tribes. Because of this, it was my hope to >locate a Lumbee to include in our Payne family DNA testing. > >The idea behind including a Native American in our DNA testing is that all >males (regardless of race) inherit the Y-chromosome of their fathers, and >they from their fathers, and so on. The Y-chromosome remains virtually >unchanged as it is passed on from father-to-son in successive generations. >Therefore, if a Native American could be identified to have a Y-chromosome >that matches the Y-chromosome of a participant of European descent, we >could conclude that, at least in this case, some Native American's do >indeed descend from the Roanoke colonists. It is a bit more complicated >than this, but this will do for an introduction. If you would like more >details, visit the web site above or http://www.contexo.info/DNA_links.htm. > >I was unable to locate a Lumbee with the surname Payne (although there are >apparently at least a few- and I did not make a thorough search at the >time), it occurred to me that it is not necessary to limit my search to a >Payne, or a surname, or even to a Lumbee. It could be any Lumbee or other >Native American Tribe member from which there are traditions or claims of >descent from the Roanoke colonists. The Y-chromosome of select Native >Americans could then be compared with participants of European ancestry >who have the most likely chance of belonging to the same family lines from >which the Roanoke colonists derived to see if a match exists, indicating >that both shared a common ancestor. Such a match would provide our first >scientific proof that the Roanoke colonists not only survived, but that >they had left descendants among the Native American population. > >I believe that this is a very worthy research effort and one that should >spark a great deal of interest and support. But it is one that will >require the participation of many people. Therefore, I am initiating a >search for potential participants using a variety of methods, including >posting this information to rootsweb mailing lists. I realize that there >are likely other mailing lists for many of the surnames in the list below, >and I would ask that if anyone has knowledge of other lists, or is in >contact with anyone that may have an interest in this project, please >forward a copy of this to them. > >The first requirement for this project to succeed will be to identify >suitable candidates for DNA testing among European descendants with the >surnames present at the 1587 colony. A list of those surnames is included >below. Ideally, I will be looking for individuals who have traced their >ancestry to early colonial America from England whose ancestors had been >associated with other surnames present at the Roanoke colony. For example, >my research indicates that over 50% of the surnames present at Roanoke >were also present at the later Virginia colony, beginning with Jamestown >in 1608. Like the Roanoke colonists, whom historians have concluded were >largely kinsmen and friends, these surnames that later appear in the >Virginia colony, can also be associated as kinsmen and friends in some >cases. So I will be looking closely at the genealogy of these families in >an attempt to find such associations when making selections for DNA >testing. I should mention that this DNA testing is simple and painless. >The participant collects the DNA sample by simply using a cotton swab on >the inside of the cheek. Also, confidentiality will be of the utmost >concern and identities protected. As you scan the list of surnames below, >consider what you know about your genealogy and see if any of the surnames >in the list correlate with your family near the same time frame, say >between 1550 and 1650. I know that is reaching far back in time for most >of us, but if you have some experience within this period, you may have >knowledge of interest to this project. > >The other necessary component of this process will be to find participants >among the Native American population. This will undoubtedly be the most >difficult aspect of the project. Not so much because they will be >difficult to locate, but because there are sensitive tribal issues to >consider. Native Americans have worked very hard to achieve a recognized >status as a Native People. In some cases, they still have not obtained >full government benefits as such. Therefore, they may well feel that it is >not in their interest to compound the problem by presenting evidence of >European descent within their population. However, I believe that there >are many benefits to this project that will ease this concern. Even if it >were to be found that some descend from Roanoke colonists, it would not >jeopardize the fact that they had been an indigenous Native American >people; Only that they had accepted Europeans as part of their own. >Moreover, the great publicity that would undoubtedly arise from such a >discovery would bring their cause to the forefront. They would be on the >mind of every American and the keepers of great legacy. The outcry that >such publicity would generate would certainly assist their cause. In any >case, if a suitable list of potential participants can be collected among >the European descendants with the necessary surnames, I will make every >effort to locate participants among these Native American Tribes and work >within their community as an advocate. I have initiated contact with Tribe >Council's to obtain their support and to coordinate my activities with. If >you can be of some assistance in this area, I would welcome it. > >Once we have the necessary participation, I will begin to approach >historical organizations, media, and genetic testing facilities to garner >support for the project. With this support, we can move on to the testing >stage. In fact, I have already consulted with a testing facility to ensure >that the idea behind this project is technically sound. I have been >assured that the technology exists to support the project and they have >indicated [with some excitement I might add] their willingness to do so. > >I hope that you see the merit of this project and that you will consider >participating. REMEMBER that you must be a MALE direct line descendant >holding one of the surnames in the list below, or have some indication or >tradition of descent from the Roanoke colonists. Only males carry the >necessary Y-chromosome used in this type of genetic testing. If you are >not able to participate for this reason, perhaps you will know someone >suitable. I urge you to advise them of this project. I will be sending >this message out in a variety of ways seeking participants and asking them >to respond with their interest to me at ppayne1203@earthlink.net or by >visiting my web site at http://papayne.rootsweb.com/Lost-Colony. Those >wishing to participate in the project should respond with their full name >and contact information, as well as a brief summary of their ancestry with >any details (if possible) they can provide which might lead them to >believe their family had a connection with the Roanoke colony. Or, perhaps >they will identify a family connection with other surnames on the list >below. I will respond to all of those who seem to meet the requirements of >the testing and add them to my list. Once that list has developed into >something useful, I will contact everyone with further details. I will >also provide updates and other information from my web site. You might >also wish to visit the site if you have an interest in what this Genetic >testing business is all about. You will find several useful links on the >page with information on Genetic testing. > >One final word... I am likely to be very busy fielding questions about >this project and unable to respond to everyone. I would suggest that you >first visit the web site above to see if your question can be answered >there or at one of the links provided. General questions about the project >should be answered by these resources. If that proves to be unhelpful, by >all means, contact me. However, please limit your questions as much as >possible to participation questions. > >Thank you for your consideration and support. > >Regards, > >Patrick A. Payne >ppayne1203@earthlink.net > >The Names of the 1587 Virginia Colony (from "The First Colonists," David >B. Quinn and Alison M. Quinn, editors, published 1982, North Carolina >Division of Archives and History; originally published in 1973 as >"Virginia Voyages from Hakluyt," Oxford University Press): > >(Note: not all of the surnames in the list below are suggested as being >possible ancestors of Native Americans. Also, these surnames represent the >spellings found in contemporary documents. In some cases, several >alternate spellings may be found. For example, "Bailie," would also >include Bayley, Bailey, etc.) > >White, John (Governor) >Bailie, Roger (Assistant) >Dare, Ananias (Assistant) >Cooper, Christopher (Assistant) >Stevens, Thomas (Assistant) >Sampson, John (Assistant) >Harvie, Dyonis (Assistant) >Prat, Roger (Assistant) >Howe, George (Assistant) >Fernando, Simon (Assistant) >Johnson, Nicholas >Warner, Thomas >Cage, Anthony >Jones, John >Tydway, John >Viccars, Ambrose >English, Edmond >Topan, Thomas >Berrye, Richard >Spendlove, John >Hemmington, John >Butler, Thomas >Powell, Edward >Burden, John >Hynde, James >Willes, William >Brooke, John >White, Cutbert >Bright, John >Tayler, Clement >Sole, William >Cotsmur, John >Newton, Humfrey >Colman, Thomas >Gramme, Thomas >Bennet, Marke >Gibbes, John >Stilman, John >Wilkinson, Robert >Little, Peter >Wyles, John >Wyles, Brian >Martyn, George >Pattenson, Hugh >Sutton, Martyn >Farre, John >Bridger, John >Jones, Griffen >Shaberdge, Richard >Ellis, Thomas >Browne, William >Myllet, Michael >Smith, Thomas >Kemme, Richard >Harris, Thomas >Taverner, Richard >Earnest, John >Johnson, Henry >Starte, John >Darige, Richard >Lucas, William >Archard, Arnold >Wright, John >Dutton, William >Allen, Morris >Waters, William >Arthur, Richard >Chapman, John >Clement, William >Little, Robert >Tayler, Hugh >Wildye, Richard >Wotton, Lewes >Bishop, Michael >Browne, Henry >Rufoote, Henry >Tomkins, Richard >Dorrell, Henry >Florrie, Charles >Mylton, Henry >Payne, Henry >Harris, Thomas >Nicholes, William >Phevens, Thomas >Borden, John >Scot, Thomas >Lasie, James >Cheven, John >Hewet, Thomas >Berde, William >Sampson, John (boy) >Ellis, Robert (boy) >Viccars, Ambrose (boy) >Archard, Thomas (boy) >Humfrey, Thomas (boy) >Smart, Tomas (boy) >Howe, George (boy) >Prat, John (boy) >Wythers, William (boy) >Harvye (child born in Virginia) > > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.377 / Virus Database: 211 - Release Date: 7/15/2002 Susan D. Chambless MathSong -- excerpts from my fractal journal. http://www.mathsong.com/fractal A collection of old family letters and papers. http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~schmblss On the mathematician Carl Friedrich Gauss http://freepages.science.rootsweb.com/~johns "Information shared is information multiplied." --=======3DF3502======= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-avg=cert; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-66A93BCE Content-Disposition: inline --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.377 / Virus Database: 211 - Release Date: 7/15/2002 --=======3DF3502=======--