In Burlington County Marriages (New Jersey), by H. Stanley, in clerk's records is: Hannah Zelley m. Edward Borden, 5-8-1806. Anyone have anything on this family? Jack Bowman Hickory, NC

The only clue I have as to Joan possibly being a Reeder/Reader came from Ancestral Lines Revised by Carl Boyer, 3rd, 1981 - P 74: "Matthew Borden --------- md. secondly, Joan, who was perhaps a Reeder, who was living 26 Sept 1620, the date of his will [see Arch. Cant. vol. 63., fol 134] and was the mother of his surviving children. " Then follow information on his 10 children one of them being from his first wife. Unfortunately, I have not been able to do any English research. Olive Hoffman

Hi Pam You are right of course-sorry)-: the four children are probably from the first wife. Matthew's marriage to Eleanor TAYLOR is not in my records till now ,so that was a good addition (-:Also I Have just Joane as his second wife ,no surname. Do you have Matthew's children? I have 9 of them with some dates if you would like them? Regards. May -- May Leslie at Whangarei NZ mayles@xtra.co.nz

I have Thomas' first wife as Joan (unknown surname) and all four children as hers rather than Margaret's. ( this from http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/h/a/r/Jill-Harris/GENE1-0021.html ) Matthew was born or baptized 20 Sept 1563 and therefore not likely the son of Margaret as that marriage did not take place until 1583/84. Matthew may have married (1) Eleanor Taylor in 1584 and (2) Joan Reeder ca 1592. I do not know if Joan Reeder and Margaret Reeder were related. In a small parish I suspect it is possible. Matthew is purported to have had 10 children. One by Eleanor and 9 by Joan Reeder. Pam Black pam2black@prodigy.net -----Original Message----- From: May Leslie <mayles@xtra.co.nz> To: BORDEN-L@rootsweb.com <BORDEN-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, July 20, 1999 9:18 PM Subject: Re: BORDEN-D Digest V99 #20 >Hello Olive, >I was interested in your query. I have quite a lot of detail about the >BORDENS, as my daughter-in-law Mary is descended from the William BORDEN >bp 1 June 1600,Headcorn, brother of the Richard who went to America. >Mary gave me material her family had gathered over the years and I tried >to to put it into chart form for her. I have the Thomas BORDEN you >mention but I have him as born ?C 1540 Headcorn,died C Apr 1592, buried >21 Apr 1592,married to someone unknown , who was buried 20 May 1581, >then married (2) Margaret READER 2 May 1583, and she was buried 25 Sep >1589. >Thomas and Margaret had four children: >Matthew, d 1620, m Joane, he was a churchwarden Headcorn in 1598. >Thomas, bu Headcorn 30 Apr 1580, >Joan, b ?1565 Headcorn, bu Headcorn 5 Apr 1571, >Agnes, b?1567 Headcorn, m Jonas GORHAM, alive 1620. >I have no other details of Margaret Margaret READER. >As you see, whoever did the original research did not find the name of >the first wife of Thomas, so it may never be found I am afraid)-: >I have some earlier information on the family if you would like it, >Regards, >May >BORDEN-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: >> >> >> Olive Hoffman > >-- >May Leslie at Whangarei NZ >mayles@xtra.co.nz > > > >==== BORDEN Mailing List ==== >%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% >Messages to this list are archived. >Susan D. Chambless >columbine@ninenet.com >%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% >

Hello Olive, I was interested in your query. I have quite a lot of detail about the BORDENS, as my daughter-in-law Mary is descended from the William BORDEN bp 1 June 1600,Headcorn, brother of the Richard who went to America. Mary gave me material her family had gathered over the years and I tried to to put it into chart form for her. I have the Thomas BORDEN you mention but I have him as born ?C 1540 Headcorn,died C Apr 1592, buried 21 Apr 1592,married to someone unknown , who was buried 20 May 1581, then married (2) Margaret READER 2 May 1583, and she was buried 25 Sep 1589. Thomas and Margaret had four children: Matthew, d 1620, m Joane, he was a churchwarden Headcorn in 1598. Thomas, bu Headcorn 30 Apr 1580, Joan, b ?1565 Headcorn, bu Headcorn 5 Apr 1571, Agnes, b?1567 Headcorn, m Jonas GORHAM, alive 1620. I have no other details of Margaret Margaret READER. As you see, whoever did the original research did not find the name of the first wife of Thomas, so it may never be found I am afraid)-: I have some earlier information on the family if you would like it, Regards, May BORDEN-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > Olive Hoffman -- May Leslie at Whangarei NZ mayles@xtra.co.nz

Can anyone correct/help me out on this one: Thomas Borden (1533-1591) md. 1st (----) who d 20 May 1581 in Headcorn, Kent, England - who was she? I have this unknow woman as the mother of Matthew b 1563 who md. Joan Reader/Reeder. Was this Joan Reader a daughter of the 2nd wife of Thomas Borden (1533 - 1592) who was Margaret Reader/Reeder, a widow? Olive Hoffman

Links to try: http://www.burgoyne.com/pages/adgedge/BORDEN.htm http://www.ilos.net/~lhowland/nelist.htm http://genweb.net/gedcom/Moses-Cleveland/Moses-Cleveland-surname.html -- Susan D. Chambless listowner for the CHAMBLESS, GAUSS, GLENDAY, BORDEN, DURFEE, BORDEN & SANDERSON surname lists, now at RootsWeb - http://www.rootsweb.com - please join us! Check it out: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~schmblss I'm posting a lot of old family letters & papers centered around the Charles Henry Gauss family of St. Charles, MO. Surnames are: Gauss, Johns, Fawcett, Glenday, Durfee, Lindsay, plus, of course, the people they knew.

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VIRGINIANS AND THEIR LAND by Barbara Vines Little <blittle@ns.gemlink.com> [Barbara Vines Little, M.Ed (University of Virginia), has published three volumes of Virginia court records and edited others for publication. She is past-president of the Virginia Genealogical Society <http://www.vgs.org/>, editor of the quarterly MAGAZINE OF VIRGINIA GENEALOGY, and editor of the bi- monthly "Virginia Genealogical Society Newsletter," in Vol. XXV, No. 2 (April 1999) of which "Virginians and Their Land" first appeared. It is reprinted here with the author's permission.] Virginia's early land records are one of the few surviving colonial record groups. They are also one of the most misunderstood. While there are a number of sources of information on the land grant system, the best overall source of information is a small book reviewed in the last issue of this newsletter , VIRGINIA LAND GRANTS: A STUDY IN CONVEYANCING IN RELATION TO COLONIAL POLITICS by Fairfax Harrison. First printed in 1925, Harrison intended the book to be a comparison of Virginia's two land grant systems -- the Northern Neck Proprietary and the Royal patents. However, it is also a history of the systems, and in developing the history of the evolvement of the two systems. Harrison provides the reader with the information needed to understand the conditions under which individuals (our ancestors) obtained land grants and discusses the additional information that can be gleaned from the records. Harrison begins with a history of land granting under the Virginia Company and then speaks to one of the more common misunderstandings of the land grant system -- the researcher who identifies an ancestor as having been "given" a grant of land by King George. Grants were issued for "charter importation rights," treasury rights or military service. Harrison notes that importation rights were used primarily in the seventeenth century and treasury rights in the eighteenth, but that all three continued to the end of the colonial period. Many researchers are unaware that importation rights were still used in the eighteenth century, yet a survey of the patents abstracted in volume six of CAVALIERS AND PIONEERS shows a number of entries for importation rights. The history of each of the rights is treated in detail so that the reader can follow the evolvement of each and hopefully will learn to look for the information that defines the type of right under which the grant was obtained. Not only should the researcher pay attention to the type of right used to obtain land, but to where the land was located. Was it in an area that was already well populated, one that was just developing or an area that was on the frontier and free of taxes for the next seven years? Other questions should look at the size of the grant in relation to others in the area, the counties of residence of adjacent landowners and whether the grants were primarily by land speculators or people moving into the area for settlement. Politics played an important roll in the land grant system and the researcher needs to be aware of this. In no other single place can one get a better introduction to the politics of the land grant system than in Harrison's VIRGINIA LAND GRANTS. Although Fairfax Harrison has the most comprehensive explanation of the land grant system, there are a number of other sources of information. The 18-page introduction to Daphne Gentry's VIRGINIA LAND OFFICE INVENTORY, revised and enlarged by John S. Salmon and republished by the Library [of Virginia] in 1981, but currently out-of-print, provides an overview of the Virginia land grant system and includes information on the major land grants issued to Beverley and Borden and later grants to the Greenbrier and Loyal land companies. The land office inventory itself provides useful information on the paperwork generated by the system. The introductions to the first three volumes of CAVALIERS AND PIONEERS (abstracted by Nell Marion Nugent) each provide additional information. The introductions to the remaining four volumes of the colonial patent abstracts (Dennis Hudgins, editor) provide additional information. These were written by Daphne Gentry, Robert Young Clay, and John Hemphill II, all of whom have studied the subject in depth. The abstracts themselves provide additional information in regard to the system and the politics surrounding it. Further information on settlement patterns can be gleaned by studying county and regional patent maps created for various counties throughout Virginia. Among those available are Fairfax, Loudoun, Orange, Westmoreland, Greensville, Goochland. Two of the previous are Northern Neck Proprietary counties. The two major record groups of the papers of the Northern Neck Proprietary have been abstracted and published. The Northern Neck survey and warrants (which do not survive for the colonial patents -- they were burned annually) were abstracted by Peggy Shomo Joyner and published in a five-volume series. The grants were abstracted by Gertrude E. Gray in four volumes. . . In addition to these references, students of the land grant system need to look at the various bounty warrant compilations, the lodged and caveated surveys abstracted in the MAGAZINE OF VIRGINIA GENEALOGY as well as the abstracts of the preemption warrants. A familiarity with the various aspects of the land grant system in Virginia provides the student of colonial history with the information necessary to understand the driving forces behind settlement patterns in Virginia and will in many cases help the researcher find the origins of his frontier ancestors. A BIBLIOGRAPHY Gentry, Daphne S. comp., rev. by John S. Salmon. VIRGINIA LAND OFFICE INVENTORY, Third Edition. Richmond, Va.: Virginia State Library and Archives, 1988. Harrison, Fairfax. VIRGINIA LAND GRANTS: A SURVEY OF CONVEYANCING IN RELATION TO COLONIAL POLITICS. 1925; reprint, Westminster, Md: Willow Bend Books, 1998. Vernon, Robert. "How Land Was Granted in Colonial Virginia," CENTRAL VIRGINIA HERITAGE. vol. 12 (winter 1994) pp.1-11. Contains a list of extant county survey books. Hughes, Sarah F. SURVEYORS AND STATESMEN: LAND MEASURING IN COLONIAL VIRGINIA, Richmond, Va.: Virginia Surveyors Foundation and Virginia Association of Surveyors, 1979. Robinson, W. Stitt, Jr. MOTHER EARTH: LAND GRANTS IN VIRGINIA, 1607-1699 Williamsburg, Va.: n.p., 1957. COMMONWEALTH LAND RECORDS Bushman, Katherine G. "Minutes of the Commission Appointed to Settle Claims to Unpatented Lands on the Western Waters of Virginia, January-April 1780." AUGUSTA HISTORICAL BULLETIN. 13(1977)1:37-57, 2:26-42. Nugent, Nell Marion. CAVALIERS AND PIONEERS, 1623-1732. 3 vols. 1934-79; reprint, Richmond, Va.: Virginia State Library and Archives, 1992. Hudgins, Dennis. CAVALIERS AND PIONEERS: ABSTRACTS OF VIRGINIA LAND PATENTS AND GRANTS, 1732-1776. 4 vols. Richmond, Va.: Virginia Genealogical Society, 1994-9. "Inquisitions on Escheated Land," VIRGINIA GENEALOGIST. 19(1975): 128-136, 179-184, 255-260; 20(1976):21-28, 109-116, 169-176, 258-262; 21(1977):28-35. MacDonald, Edgar. "Defective Surveys 1761-1799" MAGAZINE OF VIRGINIA GENEALOGY. 30(1992):318-323. MacDonald, Edgar. "Copies of Grants Not Called For," MAGAZINE OF VIRGINIA GENEALOGY. 30(1992):131-136. Slatten, Richard. "Lodged Land Surveys: A Series," MAGAZINE OF VIRGINIA GENEALOGY. 26(1988):179-194, 273-283; 27(1989):44-51, 114-119, 206-215, 282-289; 28(1990):37-47. Slatten, Richard and Edgar MacDonald. "Caveated Land Surveys" MAGAZINE OF VIRGINIA GENEALOGY, 28(1990):159-164, 281-6; 29(1991):72-6. Slatten, Richard. "Caveated Surveys Settled in the General Court, 1782-1788." MAGAZINE OF VIRGINIA GENEALOGY. 28(1990):17-26. Slatten, Richard. "Interpreting Headrights in Colonial-Virginia Patents: Uses and Abuses," NATIONAL GENEALOGICAL SOCIETY QUARTERLY. 75(1987):169-79. NORTHERN NECK LAND RECORDS Nugent, Nell Marion. SUPPLEMENT, NORTHERN NECK GRANTS, NO. 1, 1690-1692. Richmond, Va.: Virginia State Library and Archives, 1980. Joyner, Peggy Shomo. ABSTRACTS OF VIRGINIA'S NORTHERN NECK WARRANTS & SURVEYS. 5 vols. U.S.A.:, n.p. 1985-95. Gray, Gertrude Entz. VIRGINIA NORTHERN NECK LAND GRANTS 1694-1862. 4 vols. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Company, Inc., 1987-93. PERMISSION TO REPRINT articles from MISSING LINKS is granted unless specifically stated otherwise, PROVIDED: (1) the reprint is used for non-commercial, educational purposes; and (2) a copy of this notice appears at the end of the article: Written by <author's name, e-mail address, and URL, if given>. Previously published by Julia M. Case and Myra Vanderpool Gormley, CG, Missing Links: RootsWeb's Genealogy Journal, Vol. 4, No. 26, 23 June 1999. Please visit the MISSING LINKS Web page at <http://www.rootsweb.com/~mlnews/index.htm>. -- Susan D. Chambless listowner for the CHAMBLESS, GAUSS, GLENDAY, BORDEN, DURFEE, BORDEN & SANDERSON surname lists, now at RootsWeb - http://www.rootsweb.com - please join us! Check it out: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~schmblss I'm posting a lot of old family letters & papers centered around the Charles Henry Gauss family of St. Charles, MO. Surnames are: Gauss, Johns, Fawcett, Glenday, Durfee, Lindsay, plus, of course, the people they knew.

WELDING LINKS: THE GATEWAY THAT CHANGED CANADA by Myra Vanderpool Gormley, CG <myravg@prodigy.net> <http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~gormleym/> For several decades an unpretentious immigration shed at Pier 21 on the Halifax, Nova Scotia waterfront greeted a steady stream of ocean liners. Through its portals came prospective Canadians from every part of the world. This was the door to Canada -- counterpart to America's Ellis Island. On Canada Day -- July 1 -- the Pier 21 Society reopens a restored Pier 21 as an interactive visitor center commemorating Canada's immigrant population and experience. It is estimated that one in five Canadians can trace some relationship to Pier 21. For here is where more than one million immigrants, many of them war brides, refugees and children, first set foot on Canadian soil. Additionally, nearly a half a million Canadian troops headed off to World War II from here. Pier 21 opened in 1928 as a complex of buildings connected by an overhead ramp to Halifax's railway station. It contained Immigration Services, Customs, Health and Welfare, Agriculture, the Red Cross, a waiting room, dining room, canteen, nursery, hospital, detention center, kitchen, dormitories and a promenade overlooking the harbor. From 1928 to 1971, this was the main gateway to Canada and for more than 1.5 million immigrants, including wartime refugees, children evacuated from Britain during World War II, 50,000 war brides, and thousands of postwar arrivals from war-torn and famine-ridden countries, the oblong structure symbolized the start of a new life. During World War II, Pier 21 also became involved in the embarkation of troops bound for the European theater, the control of merchant seamen, the reception of prisoners of war, the processing of hospitalized servicemen, arrivals of VIPs, such as Winston Churchill, and the scene of the returning servicemen. The restored Pier 21 is the result of work by a group of historically minded citizens, led by Ruth Goldbloom, now the society's president. Through an exclusive and innovative partnership with Pier 21, the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (CBC) television crews are filming immigrants in every part of Canada, telling their stories, in their own words, of coming into Canada. "As a country, we are the sum of our individual experiences and having Canada's national public broadcaster as our exclusive broadcast partner ensures that these stories are heard by the widest possible audience," Goldbloom said. The society was created to revitalize Pier 21 as a permanent testament designed to celebrate the profound contributions of immigrant Canadians. It is hoped that Pier 21 will do for Canada what Ellis Island has done for the United States -- be a national and international center whose purpose is to extol the Canadian immigration experience. The restored Pier 21 will be home to a heritage center that recreates the immigrant experience through innovative exhibits, evocative soundscapes, and interactive technology. It will recapture the essential dimensions of that experience as felt by children and adults: the difficult journey from home to the unknown; the anticipation of life in a new land, mingled with fond remembrance of the old; the anxiety and discomfort of arrival; the journey to new beginnings; and the ultimate impact of the new arrivals on the face of Canada. The site will spur the development of a historic Canadian immigration database enabling descendants of Pier 21 immigrants to trace their origins within Canada, while guiding others in tracing their roots. 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_Hello Chuck, I have a John BORDEN in my notes born 1711/12 son of Francis BORDEN and Mary. Also this John's older brother Francis, b 1709/10 Shrewsbury,has a grandaughter Hannah BORDEN (dau of Francis, b 1709/10 Shrewsbury,and Lydia WOOLLEY) who married a HAWKINS, christian name not given.Is this of any use to you? Regards, May >> -- May Leslie at Whangarei NZ mayles@xtra.co.nz

Hi all, Looking for any records or proof of Ann Hawkins' name, and information on siblings and parents who married John Borden, Sr. abt 1736 in Virginia. John Borden b. abt. 1718 d. abt. 1798 in Knox County, TN. Children of John and Ann: William, John, Benjamin, Mercy, Nancy, Rebecca, Sarah, Joseph and Margaret. Thanks for anything you may have! Willing to share and compare, Chuck Borden

Hi Karin, All the details I have are -"Robergia, a Story of Old England, by Richard Y.Cook. Printed for private distribution, Philadelphia 1905. Copyright 1905 Richard Y.COOK. Press of Edward Stern &Co Philadephia. In Hand writing on the first page is "50 copies only printed" "to T.L.BURDEN from his fatherT.Witherden BURDEN, Xmas 1906." and "To T.R.BURDEN from his mother Julia BURDEN Oct 28 1941" These BURDENS are descended from William BORDEN b 1600,younger brother of the Richard who emigrated. Thomas Laurence Burden, William's 7gt-grandson, came to New Zealand from Headcorn in 1897,and he was my daughter -in-law's gt-grandfather. Her copy of the book is a rather faint photocopy 121 pages long. I am happy to share any other information that might be of help. best wishes, May Karin Goudy wrote: > > Hi - since I am a descendant of Richard Borden who immigrated to the US > from England I am very interested in your ghost story. Could you please > send me the name of the book, author and publisher in which you found this > story? Thanks Karin Goudy -- May Leslie at Whangarei NZ mayles@xtra.co.nz

Great! I just published a ghost story from the Johns family in Wales on my web site. -- Susan May Leslie wrote: > Hello to all of you who expressed an interest in the story I mentioned, > I have now got the book again. I shall try to give a brief outline of it > It is called "Robergia-a Story of Old England by Richard Y. > COOK,privately printed in Philadelphia 1905.(50 copies printed) It was > written in Bayreuth,where he and his wife were attending Wagner > operas.Meant for the grandchildren, it was a story that "could" have > happened, about a little girl aged twelve, in a grim old castle in 1194. > She was called Robergia de BOURDON, and her father Simon had been four > years away with King Richard the Lionheart,and her mother Elfrida of > Kent,heiress of Saxon owner of castle and land,had been dead for a year. > Her father returned,and the next year he died, stating in his will she > should marry a cousin Francis de Bourdon, of Bayeux. Robergia had a > church built, (Headcorn) and on the day it was consecrated, she had a > parchnent sealed in a lead box and concealed in the church.She had two > sons, Simon and Richard,and she died 1220. > Then Richard Y.COOK and his wife, Lavinia BORDEN went to England and > visited the church. There is quite a long lead up to the discovery of > the parchment behind a loose stone in the wall, He is guided to it by a > strange presence which they later thought might only have been a shaft > of moonlight etc, very eerie. The parchment gives Robergia's story and > they wrote it down very quickly, for the words faded before their eyes. > At the end of the book there are copies of BORDEN Wills and a > description of the Church. > I know I haven't done justice to the charming story. There should be > copies in America as it was pblished there and the descendants of > Richard who emigrated should have it somewhere. > Best Wishes > May > > -- > May Leslie at Whangarei NZ > mayles@xtra.co.nz -- Susan D. Chambless listowner for the CHAMBLESS, GAUSS, GLENDAY, BORDEN, DURFEE, BORDEN & SANDERSON surname lists, now at RootsWeb - http://www.rootsweb.com - please join us! Check it out: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~schmblss I'm posting a lot of old family letters & papers centered around the Charles Henry Gauss family of St. Charles, MO. Surnames are: Gauss, Johns, Fawcett, Glenday, Durfee, Lindsay, plus, of course, the people they knew.

Hello to all of you who expressed an interest in the story I mentioned, I have now got the book again. I shall try to give a brief outline of it It is called "Robergia-a Story of Old England by Richard Y. COOK,privately printed in Philadelphia 1905.(50 copies printed) It was written in Bayreuth,where he and his wife were attending Wagner operas.Meant for the grandchildren, it was a story that "could" have happened, about a little girl aged twelve, in a grim old castle in 1194. She was called Robergia de BOURDON, and her father Simon had been four years away with King Richard the Lionheart,and her mother Elfrida of Kent,heiress of Saxon owner of castle and land,had been dead for a year. Her father returned,and the next year he died, stating in his will she should marry a cousin Francis de Bourdon, of Bayeux. Robergia had a church built, (Headcorn) and on the day it was consecrated, she had a parchnent sealed in a lead box and concealed in the church.She had two sons, Simon and Richard,and she died 1220. Then Richard Y.COOK and his wife, Lavinia BORDEN went to England and visited the church. There is quite a long lead up to the discovery of the parchment behind a loose stone in the wall, He is guided to it by a strange presence which they later thought might only have been a shaft of moonlight etc, very eerie. The parchment gives Robergia's story and they wrote it down very quickly, for the words faded before their eyes. At the end of the book there are copies of BORDEN Wills and a description of the Church. I know I haven't done justice to the charming story. There should be copies in America as it was pblished there and the descendants of Richard who emigrated should have it somewhere. Best Wishes May -- May Leslie at Whangarei NZ mayles@xtra.co.nz

Hello Barbara, I sent a lot of information on this family back in March.I hope someone still has it and can send it on to you. Regards, May -- May Leslie at Whangarei NZ mayles@xtra.co.nz

Looking for information on the family of Richard Borden b. 22 Feb 1595 Hedcorn,Kent,England d. 25 May 1671 Portsmouth,RI; married Joan Fowle b. abt 1604 d. abt 15 Jul 1688 Portsmouth,RI. Barbara Westman Please visit our home page: http://www.jps.net/westman westman@jps.net gwestman@jps.net

I thought i had posted all the information I had about the BORDENS, then I remembered a story my daughter- in-law Mary showed me.I think it was by one of the BORDENs wo went back to Headcorn to be married. Perhaps some of you in America know of it? I will try to borrow it again. We wondered if it was a true story, but decided it was fiction. It was about a ghostly experience in Headcorn Church. I did a sort of summary of the characters mentioned. You may be interested. It started with Frances de BOURDEN ,descended from the de BOURDONs of Bayeux, who accompanied William of Normandy 1066. This Frances was grandfather of Sir Simon de BOURDON who married Elfrida of Kent, heiress of a Saxon owner of castle and land.She died pre March 1193. He travelled with Richard the Lionheart 1190-1194, and died C1195. Their only child, the Lady Robergia (?or Elfrida) de BOURDON, b ?C13 Mar 1193,d ?C1220, married Sir Frances de BOURDEN of Bayeux, Normandy France.They had two sons Simon,b 1200-1220, and Richard, b 1200-1220. The there is a historical gap of 150 years I can't account for in the story.( I read somewhere that the Black Death occurred 1347-1351 and was in London in 1349.) So after this 150 years, we arrive at the earliest verified BORDEN, Henry b ?C1370 who married Robergia. The ghost in the story was, I think, the first Lady Robergia. It was written by a family member to amuse his grandchild I believe, and is a charming story, Perhaps, Nancy, your church-going friend may have heard of it? Regards May -- May Leslie at Whangarei NZ mayles@xtra.co.nz

In answer to Pam Mason's inquiry re. the Borden Milk family and that of Lizzie Borden, I can speak to the following: Gail Borden of pure milk fame was a second cousin of my g-g-grandfather. Although I have some data on his family, since his was a different line I didn't try to research his descendants. Lizzie Borden of Fall River fame also was a descendant of our common ancestor, Richard Borden of Rhode Island, but through a completely different descendancy line. I do have a copy of her ancestral line that I obtained off the internet, but again, have not tried to research her family. Hope this helps, Jim Borden