Hello Bonnar List members... First of all, thanks Marilyn for taking over the list for us all... I don't contribute too much to the list, as usually I see no connection with my line... but thought perhaps today I would enclose a bit about my BONNAR family link. In particular I am stuck at James Crampsey who we have lost track of, after the birth of his first born son...who happens to be my great-grandfather. Also I have searched ships records for this James... for the year of 1867... and since he was living in Belfast assumed he left from the Port of Belfast to America.... but did not find him listed... It had to be the year of 1867 as well, according to all official documents I have. ----- James Crampsey..... My great-great grandfather's name was James, and his first born son was called Edward...and I have all the information on the son Edward... We assume that there were siblings of Edward but do not know, since we lost track of this James (his father) at the birth of Edward. From the research I have done, there are a great many Crampsey families in and around Cardonagh, in county Donegal...in fact I was writing to one who was an "O'Donnell...smile I know that my Edward was the eldest child of James, and also the date of his birth...since I have a copy now of the birth certificate.. He was born in the home of his grandmother and grandfather in Belfast and his grandmother assisted at the birth.... (maternal side). The birth certificate says that the father (James) was in America at the time of the birth... and that is where the search has ended for me unfortunately... I just can't seem to find out where he went in America and IF this James Crampsey ever returned to Ireland. Also did Edward's mom then remarry and does Edward have siblings??? interesting isn't it. I also have a copy of the marriage certificate of Edward's parents..they were married in a Catholic Church in Belfast and now have a pict of that church which is still standing...plus a pict of the official register that they signed at the time of the wedding... From the Marriage certificate.... James Crampsey married Elisa Bulger on Mar.2 1867 at the RC church (St. Matthews) in Belfast, Ireland ( the certificate is a bit unclear as to whether Elisa is spelled with a Z or an S...) However, the family always called her Annie and not by the name Elisa... her mom was also an Annie, and my maternal grandmother also was named Annie... The groom was working in a factory at the time of marriage, the bride was living at home with her parents. Groom's address was 3 Sarah St.. (rooming house) Belfast. Bride's address was 29 Alton St. (her parent's home) Belfast ( I did confirm those addresses with a street directory and have copies of that ) The groom's father was John Cramsie (shoemaker) and he was a witness at the wedding *** unfortunately it does not tell me where he was from and I am assuming he did not live in Belfast but travelled for the marriage...and tend to think that perhaps John is in fact from Donegal area... I can't seem to get past this road block... and JOHN is the road block, to go back further. The brides parents are.. James Bulger (grocer) and Annie Bulger of Belfast, Ireland... have lots of information on them. ------- From the Birth certificate of Edward.. Dec. 20th, 1867, in Belfast Ireland....we had actually always thought he was born on Feb. 17th, 1868 since that was listed in other records but it was not that. It lists the parents as James and Ann Cramsie, of Belfast Ireland. The father (James) is in America at the time of birth and his occupation is now listed as "clerk" and not as working in a factory. Present at the birth was Annie Bulger his grandmother (maternal) and she is also listed as the witness on the birth certificate The address of where he is born is listed as 29 Alton St... which would be the home of his grandparents.. ------- Edward Crampsey (Bonnar) my great grandfather, at 20 years of age finally left Irleand and went the USA (1888), and then to Canada and married my Great Grandmother (who was Icelandic)... this Edward Crampsey also had a first born son called "James Arni Bonnar" ...James Arni Bonnar (my mom's uncle, and my grandmother's older brother) was born March 23, 1897 in Winnipeg, Manitoba, and has one surviving daughter who lives near Seattle Washington in the USA. The middle name of Arni is icelandic from his maternal side. So if anybody on this list has information that connects with mine, I would be MOST greatful to hear from you....smile. I am stuck at what happened to James after he went off to America before the birth of his first child...and also stuck with where in Ireland Jame's father (John the shoemaker) came from. All the marriage certificate stated was that he was a witness at the wedding of James. sincerely Judy Moses =====