Hi Folks, The BONNER Surname DNA Project has its first laboratory result for a donor for whom descent is claimed to be from the William Bonner who married Jemima Carr. This DNA type did not match any of the existing types at the first 12 markers, and thus created its own new type...type "M". This type falls near types D, E, and H, and probably is remote enough that it is unrelated to them. Connection to any of the other types is nearly certainly excluded. I would like to verify the result by sampling a descendant of this William Bonner who descends from a son of his other than his son William James Bonner (b. 1829), if such a person can be found and tested. I think this is good stuff. I don't know about anyone else, but when I search for BONNER genealogical information online at WorldConnect or GOOGLE, or wherever, there are a few clans that I see over and over. We've now sampled a pretty good share of them already. Best, Gregg Bonner BONNER Surname DNA Project Group Administrator __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Hi Gregg, Thanks for keeping the DNA webpage going for us Bonner's. As you know I've been actively researching the Irish-clan of Bonner's for some time now. With some of the new STR results--most especially, Node K Bonner's I think it is safe to say that DYS 426 has a signature modal value of "13" for the Bonner's from Ireland. In general, a value of 13 at DYS 426 is quite rare in the general population yet Bonner's that claim direct descent from Ireland seem to all have this "signature". I too would be very interested in finding some CRAMPSEY men to test. Conceptually they should have very similar markers to the Irish Bonners. I plan to get the SNP tests done thru FTDNA. There is a marker called M222 that identifies the haplogroup R1b1c7 which is also called the Northwest Irish Variety. Some also think (or claim) this is the signature SNP that identifies the High King of Ireland, Ui Neill. Warm regards, Neil > > From: [email protected] > Date: 2006/04/18 Tue AM 10:00:01 EDT > To: [email protected] > Subject: BONNER-D Digest V06 #4 > [Gregg said:] > ...It seems to me that people who suspect an Ireland-to-Pennsylvania (particularly Philadelphia) immigration for their BONNER patriarch, or those in early Ohio should descend from BONNER folks whose DNA profile was very similar to that represented by "mv1", which is to say, specifically, Types A, K, F, D, G, and a very outside chance for C. The ancestral type is likely somewhere along the line between "A" and "D", and which includes "K", and possibly others. It appears that we now know the DNA profile (or a close facsimile) of the BONNER group that was original BONER, and which shares descent from common patriarch with those of the CRAMPSEY name (those familiar with Irish BONNER genealogy will understand what this means). It remains to be seen if any CRAMPSEY folks will match DNA with our BONNER/BONER folks, as I am not aware of any CRAMPSEY having ever been tested in this fashion. I think I will try to do a little recruiting in this regard. I think it would be neat to use the DNA to prove unambiguously that (at least some) BONNER/BONER folks share descent with CRAMPSEY folks.

Hi Folks, I have revised the BONNER Surname DNA Project webpage to reflect the newest result. You can find the page here: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gbonner/bonnerdna/ The primary thing of note for this revision is that the results table has been expanded from 12 markers to 25 markers. Four of the 19 results include 25 markers. The primary scientific result is that we have a new DNA 'type' which is 'Type "K"'. This type closely resembles 'Type "A"'. This is not surprising when you consider that the participants of both types claim Irish BONNER descent. So it would appear that we now have a kind of 'litmus test' for Irish BONNER descent (at least for some clans of Irish BONNERs) that is independently verified. If you will go to the Project webpage and look at the new Network Diagram, then you will see a 'clump' of folks around a red dot called "mv1". [The following is completely speculative editorializing by yours truly, and should not be misconstrued as scholarship] ...It seems to me that people who suspect an Ireland-to-Pennsylvania (particularly Philadelphia) immigration for their BONNER patriarch, or those in early Ohio should descend from BONNER folks whose DNA profile was very similar to that represented by "mv1", which is to say, specifically, Types A, K, F, D, G, and a very outside chance for C. The ancestral type is likely somewhere along the line between "A" and "D", and which includes "K", and possibly others. It appears that we now know the DNA profile (or a close facsimile) of the BONNER group that was original BONER, and which shares descent from common patriarch with those of the CRAMPSEY name (those familiar with Irish BONNER genealogy will understand what this means). It remains to be seen if any CRAMPSEY folks will match DNA with our BONNER/BONER folks, as I am not aware of any CRAMPSEY having ever been tested in this fashion. I think I will try to do a little recruiting in this regard. I think it would be neat to use the DNA to prove unambiguously that (at least some) BONNER/BONER folks share descent with CRAMPSEY folks. I am happy to try to answer any question anyone might have about any of this. Best, Gregg Bonner BONNER Surname DNA Project Group Administrator __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Thanks Greg. Happy New Year back at ya. Kenny

Kenny, I recently experienced a hard disk crash (lost digital photos). There are several companies that can recover data from hard drives that have "died." I can forward you the name and contact info of the company that recovered my lost data if you wish. I should think it is a better alternative than recreating the data. One last point, I learned a very hard lesson about the importance of making backup copies of your important digital files. [Sorry if this is a little bit off topic but it is an important point to be made, none-the-less.] -Neil

Bob, You have those moments too? I remember sending you something maybe a year or so ago. At any count if you have anything that would help I certainly would appreciate it. I'm trying to get my info all backed up now. Should have done it before but spilled milk. If this happens to me again I think I will just stop the research. I don't think I have the patience to do it again. Thanks, Kenny

Hi Kenny, May I suggest that you upload your GEDCOM to WorldConnect (when you get it resurrected)? It is a great way to make connections (lots of people will see your file), provide information to others, and also serves as an online backup. I will look to see if any of the messages you sent me privately contained a GEDCOM or similar. Best of luck - - I know what it is like, because I have had to start over myself. Happy New Year, Gregg --- [email protected] wrote: > Bob, > > You have those moments too? > > I remember sending you something maybe a year or so > ago. At any count if you > have anything that would help I certainly would > appreciate it. > > I'm trying to get my info all backed up now. Should > have done it before but > spilled milk. If this happens to me again I think I > will just stop the > research. I don't think I have the patience to do it > again. > > Thanks, > > Kenny > > > ==== BONNER Mailing List ==== > Have you considered participating in the BONNER DNA > Project? > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gbonner/bonnerdna/ > This list is a good place to ask questions about the > project :) > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death > Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com

Kenny: Being at the stage of life where senior moments are senior days, did you not send me the information on the descendents of Henry Bonner? If so, I can send it back to you. bob ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 1:59 PM Subject: [BONNER] Bonner Help Recently my computer crashed and with it went over 20,000 names on my Bonner line. I am a descendant of Zaddock Bonner line from Georgia. If anyone has any information on this line I would certainly appreciate it. I know that I have sent several files out. If you happen to be one of the receivers could you please get them to me. I will get all the info back in time but under the best of conditions it will take a few years. Thanks, Kenny Shackleford ==== BONNER Mailing List ==== Have you considered participating in the BONNER DNA Project? http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gbonner/bonnerdna/<http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gbonner/bonnerdna/> This list is a good place to ask questions about the project :) ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429<http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429>

Recently my computer crashed and with it went over 20,000 names on my Bonner line. I am a descendant of Zaddock Bonner line from Georgia. If anyone has any information on this line I would certainly appreciate it. I know that I have sent several files out. If you happen to be one of the receivers could you please get them to me. I will get all the info back in time but under the best of conditions it will take a few years. Thanks, Kenny Shackleford

Searching for parents & siblings of Thomas Trotter Bonner - Pickens Co.,Al. 1850 - Married Elizabeth Shackelford - Marengo,Co. 1834.

[Message forwarded to list by BONNER-L ListAdmin] Many of us have already been DNA tested by proxy, and aren't aware of it. Because of the way Y-DNA is passed down through family trees (that is, essentially the same way as surnames), one man's sample can represent countless cousins, both living and deceased. Y-DNA and surnames go hand-in-hand. When one man gets tested, he represents a number of others with the same surname. His father, brothers, paternal uncles, and paternal cousins (both living and back in time through the generations) all share the same Y-DNA. Seek out a male cousin to take the test. Many people have already been tested-by-cousin and don't know it. Find out if you're one of the lucky people who's already been tested by virtue of a male relative of the same surname. If you want to find out if there's already a project on one or more surnames of interest to you, you'll have to do a little websurfing. World Families Network www.worldfamilies.net: This site contains a searchable list of projects, along with links to each project's website or contact information. Ysearch www.ysearch.org and Ybase www.ybase.org: Sponsored by Family Tree DNA and DNA Heritage respectively, these sites provide free databases for all to search or post their results, regardless of which testing company is used. While they don't provide links to project websites, you can e-mail those with your surname whose data is included. Search the appropriate surname message boards at Ancestry (just search on +Smith + DNA, replacing Smith with your surname of interest). http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=an&p=topics.dnaresearch.projectannouncements Search the archives at Rootsweb's popular DNA mailing list. http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=GENEALOGY-DNA Search testing Companies' Websites: These include Family Tree DNA http://www.familytreedna.com/ and DNA Heritage http://www.dnaheritage.com/ Search Engine: Google.com (or whatever your favorite search engine is). Simply enter "DNA" and the surname you're interested in. Filter your search by adding words such as "genealogy" and "surname." Search by surname at the Sorenson Molecular Genealogy Foundation http://smgf.org/ If you're one of the lucky ones who have already been tested by proxy, you'll want to communicate with the project's manager and the cousin of yours who was tested. Write down the numbers that represents your DNA results for future reference. Robert Bonner [email protected] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Hi Shanell (and other interested readers), The Project I have been talking about uses the Y-chromosome, and females not having a Y-chromosome, they cannot even theoretically participate directly. However, they may participate indirectly, by proxy. A "proxy" is someone who descends from your common BONNER patriarch along the all-male line. So in your case, you need your great-great-grandmother's brother's descendant. There are other possibilities, depending on what you already know about the family. Basically, if you can find a man named BONNER who is your cousin, that's good enough. Generally you try to find your CLOSEST cousin to do it, but it makes little difference. But if you know of no other member of your great great grandmother's family, then you are out of luck as far as the project goes (for now - of course, that changes as soon as you can find a brother or uncle or anything which continues the male-line). Depending on the particular circumstances, you may be able to answer other genealogical questions about your family using other types of DNA tests. There are all kinds of possibilities to investigate using DNA, but these are beyond the scope of the BONNER project. Still, I am happy to try to answer questions about these other DNA analyses. I am not sure what you mean by "names attached to the project". I have made a patriarch's table at the project website. It has some names attached. See if this is what you mean by following this link: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gbonner/bonnerdna/ If you meant something else, then please rephrase and try me again. Also, if you will post to this list the names, dates, and places of your ancestor of interest, then I will try to look it up (online), and see what DNA analyses may be available to you for some gain in insight on your family. Best, Gregg Bonner BONNER Surname DNA Project Group Administrator --- shanell quinn <[email protected]> wrote: > Greg, do I understand correctly, the DNA test is > only > for the male carrying the Bonner name? How do we > females know our line if our or gggrandmother was a > Bonner? Are there any names attached to the project > that we can search? > > --- Gregg Bonner <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Hi Folks, > > > > Just a quick note to let you know that I made an > > update to the BONNER Surname DNA Project webpage. > It > > is here: > > > > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gbonner/bonnerdna/ > > > > We now have 18 results posted. > > > > > > Also, I believe that I can get a price reduction > to > > $70 for the next two people who sign up. So if the > > $100 price tag has thwarted you, then maybe this > > will > > tip the balance. > > > > I am happy to try to answer any questions anyone > > might > > have about anything. > > > > Best, > > > > Gregg Bonner > > BONNER-L ListAdmin > > BONNER Surname DNA Project Group Administrator > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________ > > Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. > > Just $16.99/mo. or less. > > dsl.yahoo.com > > > > > > ==== BONNER Mailing List ==== > > Have you considered participating in the BONNER > DNA > > Project? > > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gbonner/bonnerdna/ > > This list is a good place to ask questions about > the > > project :) > > > > ============================== > > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search > > not only for > > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ==== BONNER Mailing List ==== > Have you considered participating in the BONNER DNA > Project? > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gbonner/bonnerdna/ > This list is a good place to ask questions about the > project :) > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million > records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the > world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Greg, do I understand correctly, the DNA test is only for the male carrying the Bonner name? How do we females know our line if our or gggrandmother was a Bonner? Are there any names attached to the project that we can search? --- Gregg Bonner <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Folks, > > Just a quick note to let you know that I made an > update to the BONNER Surname DNA Project webpage. It > is here: > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gbonner/bonnerdna/ > > We now have 18 results posted. > > > Also, I believe that I can get a price reduction to > $70 for the next two people who sign up. So if the > $100 price tag has thwarted you, then maybe this > will > tip the balance. > > I am happy to try to answer any questions anyone > might > have about anything. > > Best, > > Gregg Bonner > BONNER-L ListAdmin > BONNER Surname DNA Project Group Administrator > > > > > __________________________________________ > Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. > Just $16.99/mo. or less. > dsl.yahoo.com > > > ==== BONNER Mailing List ==== > Have you considered participating in the BONNER DNA > Project? > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gbonner/bonnerdna/ > This list is a good place to ask questions about the > project :) > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search > not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Hi Folks, Just a quick note to let you know that I made an update to the BONNER Surname DNA Project webpage. It is here: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gbonner/bonnerdna/ We now have 18 results posted. Also, I believe that I can get a price reduction to $70 for the next two people who sign up. So if the $100 price tag has thwarted you, then maybe this will tip the balance. I am happy to try to answer any questions anyone might have about anything. Best, Gregg Bonner BONNER-L ListAdmin BONNER Surname DNA Project Group Administrator __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com

Gregg, Were you planning on going to the DNA Genealogical Conference in Washington in November? I live in Northern Virginia and was wondering if it would be worth attending? I'd like to see the "database" of Bonner DNA expanded. -Neil

James, You evidently did not read the message I wrote concerning the end of this thread. Do NOT make any more attempts to post to this list on this topic. You have been added to the reject list, so any future posting(s) from you will go to me (as List Administrator) first, and I will decide whether it gets passed along to the list. Continued attempts to post on this topic to this list will result in you being unsubscribed from the list. Furthermore, I will recommend to the listmaster that you be banned from posting to ANY list. I apologize to the others on this list who are having to endure this. If you have commentary to make about my handling of this issue, then please e-mail me privately, so that the other list members do not have to deal with yet more messages that have nothing to do with BONNER genealogy and/or family history. Can we please get back to posting messages that are on topic? Thank you :) Best, Gregg Bonner BONNER-L ListAdmin -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 7:48 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BONNER] End of thread! {was: Please help make a better world}

PLEASE PASS ALONG THE EMAIL FOR A BETTER WORLD....STERALIZE THEM NOW Amen Greg! Bob Bonner ==== BONNER Mailing List ==== Have you considered participating in the BONNER DNA Project? http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gbonner/bonnerdna/ This list is a good place to ask questions about the project :) ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Amen Greg! Bob Bonner

The BONNER-L list is for genealogical and family history purposes concerning the surname BONNER. There are plenty of forums and message boards and mailing lists for politics and similar things...and the BONNER-L list is NOT one of them. This topic is now closed to the BONNER-L list. Anyone who continues to post to this list on this topic will go on the moderated list. Further attempt(s) to post to this list on this topic by anyone on the moderated list will result in them being unsubscribed from the list. Please feel free to post to this list your BONNER surname-related messages and queries and information, but please take the politics and similar things elsewhere. Thanks for your understanding. Gregg Bonner BONNER-L ListAdmin -----Original Message----- Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 12:32 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [BONNER] Please help make a better world

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