We think Group 3 John Bolling and Marths Mangum named a son Yancy bc1802. Married Polly Cozart in 1822 in Orange Co. I haven't connected John and Martha to the Yancys and don't know if they do. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 4, 2016, at 12:49 PM, ken <boyd@rtmc.net> wrote: > > Here's one to explain: A look over suggests some lines hit some of yours. Mecklenburg Co.,is where Mary is said to die. These Bollings were a mix. > > ----------------------- > > > > > > 8 > Charles YANCEY => > <black.gif> <black.gif> > <spacer.gif> B: 1684 > P: VA > M: 14 JAN 1703 > 4 > Richard YANCEY <leaf_treehints.gif> P: King William Co, VA > <black.gif> <black.gif> > <spacer.gif> B: 24 AUG 1708 > D: Aft 1749 > P: VA P: Louisa Co, VA > M: 1735 > P: VA 9 <black.gif> Mary BARTLETT <leaf_treehints.gif> > > > <black.gif> > D: 1780 <spacer.gif> B: 1678 > P: Mecklenburg Co, VA P: King William Co, VA > > D: > P: > <spacer.gif> > 2 > Absalom YANCEY <leaf_treehints.gif> > 10 > > > <black.gif> <black.gif> <black.gif> <black.gif> > <spacer.gif> B: 1742 > <spacer.gif> B: > P: Louisa Co, VA P: > M: 27 JAN 1789 M: > P: Louisa Co, VA 5 <black.gif> Mary BOLLING P: > > <black.gif> > D: 1819 <spacer.gif> B: 1711 > D: > > P: Mecklenburg Co, VA P: VA P: > > D: 1795 > > P: Mecklenburg Co, VA 11 <black.gif> > ============= > > >> On 10/03/2016 04:49 PM, swampfoxknives@frontiernet.net wrote: >> Ken, Where is the record of the marriage to Mary Kinge? >> >> From: ken >> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 10:55 AM >> To: swampfoxknives@frontiernet.net ; june helm >> Cc: Barbara Blair ; Linda Boling ; bowling@rootsweb.com ; boling@rootsweb.com ; bolen@rootsweb.com ; bolling@rootsweb.com ; ken ; Linda >> Subject: Re: John Bolling's of early Virginia >> >> Regarding early records in VA. >>> Regarding the C&P deeds of the more than one John Bolling. >>> >>> From 1650 to 1695, not a John Bolling of any spelling is found listed in the C&P except the John Bowland who was imported in 1650. The early John Bowland was on court records as he witnessed a murder in the 1650s in Old Rappahannock and or Northumnerland Co., VA and later he married Mary Kinge, the daughter of Robert Kinge and Hannah Scarboro and removed to Calvert Co., MD along with his brother in law John Kinge in the early 1660s, about 1662, and he died before Robert Kinge, who mentioned John Bowland's children in his Will. They were John, William and Robert Bowlyne. These men are DNA group 6 and inherited property in VA. A John Bolling paid taxes in 1720 in New Kent Co., VA. This family was traced by the Pendergras family and they report they descended from Pocahontas. The Barnett family also says the same in regard to an Anne Rolfe, the daughter of Thomas Rolfe and his Poyce or Payce wife. ( not Poythress) In the mid 1720s John Bolling is one property next to a Lightfool family, in Richmond or Essex Co., VA. It is believed this John Bowland was born in 1615, and first married a Mary Cary in England who died in 1648. John Bolling's (II) born about 1668, son married to Elizabeth Barnett the daughter of Anne Rolfe Barnett. Sources: The Barnett family (RW records) and the Richard Tyree family (C&P records) are the only two lines from Capt. Thomas Rolfe of James Fort , II, who have records of any value to back them up. >> Benjamin Bolling group 6, born about 1695 of Stafford Co., VA was a son of one of these sons mentioned in Kinge's Will and he appears in the area where Kinge owned property when Robert Kinge died. >>> >>> Volume III of the Cavaliers and Pioneers, the English Land Grant records begins with 1695 and a John Bolling, Gent., was granted 50 acs in Henrico Co., VA in Verina Par., 25 Apr 1701. Patent book 9, p. 318, and Volume III page is 43. >>> >>> Thus we know John Bolling, Gent is an older man who holds office or who has held office to gain the title of Gentleman. He also is very rich because he paid 30 lbs Sterling for a 50 acre Plantation on the James River, north of the River, which now lies in modern Richmond City. His nearby neighbors were the Randolphs on the same side the river. >>> >>> The next three deeds are in regart to the ealiest known John Bollings, but only found in the C&P. See Note on Bottom; >>> >>> A John Bolling deed: >>> >>> 25 Apr 1701, p. 318, page Volume III, C&P 43, >>> John Bolling, Gent., >>> 50 acs., >>> Henrico Co., VA in Verina Parish., >>> Escheated from Nathll. Bacon, Junr., by his attainer for high treason, as by inquistion under William Randolph, Esch'r., 21 July 1698. >>> Consideration: 30 lbs Sterling. >>> >>> Facts: >>> 1. This same 50 Lbs Sterling would have purchased 5000 acres of new land. Another fact is many years had slipped by since Bacon was gone from the scene in VA, so it appears some person lived on that property is style until they too were dead, and the locals approved or they would have spoke up. >>> 2. This older John Bolling was not born in 1675 as reported by Wyndham Robertson in his book, "Pocahontas' ... Descendants'". Wyndham Robertson went out of his way to place his John Bolling on the Appomatox River in Bristol Parish. He places his Bolling lines across from Hopewell, VA, where a Robert Bolling bought land in 1690 in Charles City Co., VA and was said to name his home-stead "Kippax". This area is now in Prince George Co., VA, near modern Hwy 95. >>> 3. Another fact, a John Bolling was recorded, an adult in 1689,in the area of now Petersburg Co., VA. Since he was a land owner he had to be 21 by law to own property, so he was born by 1668. He had sons John and Robert as well. Source, the returned Prince George County, Virginia deed book 1. His sons were born in the mid 1680s, so John Bolling was older than the deed estimate shown. The deed book had been taken north during the War of 1865 and was returned in recent times. (Library of Virginia) This John Bolling of now Petersburg City area, owned a Merchant Trading Post and sold to the Indians as well as the public. (see Byrd Diary records) (several sources for this, one from now South Carolina when a Governor complained about him) >>> 4. So we can be certain the surname Bolling, and John Bolling's among them were not uncommon in Virginia. (spellings) >>> 5. The William Rush Genealogy reports that Elizabeth Lewis of Gloucester Co., VA born in 1705 married yet another John Bolling, and after John Bolling died she remarried to William Rush and had a large family. Wyndham Robertson had claimed this John Bolling as his and said Elizabeth died. So check the WEB sites for the Rush information and any changes. >> ----------------------------- More >>> Of Payce, Poyce, Poythress, and or Perce? >> >>> A Perce deed: (this spelling from C&P) >>> >>> 25 Apr 1701, p. 319, page Volume III, C&P 43, >>> Francis Perce, >>> 137 acs., >>> Henrico County; N. side of James Riv., >>> a little below mouth of 3 Mi. Cr., to 2 Mi., Cr.; >>> Import of 3 persons: Richard Fleming, Peter Morgan, Jacob Johnson >>> >>> Facts: >>> 1. Wyndham Robertson reported in his book "Pocahontas' Descendants'" that the only record found for the wife of Thomas Rolfe was a Poyce or a Payce. This same record was looked at by me when yet in school as my grandmother was a genalogist and she, along with others, passed (mailed) records among them selves. Robertson went on to note that no Poyce or Payce lived there so it must have been Poythress, today every one on the WEB is reporting Poythress for Payce because of his mistake. >>> 2. Thomas Rolfe was re-imported back into VA in 1635 by the Peirce family so this deed next door to John Bolling in 1701, the same day and the same place cries out for notice, because Francis Perce just may have been John Bolling's family, Thomas Rolfe may have married a Miss Perce. (or a Peirce) (other evidence for Pierce name, so he and his dad may have married a Peirce) >>> ------------------ >>> >>> The next mention of a John Bolling the C&P: >>> >>> 25 Apr. 1702, p. 432, Volume III page 56, >>> Capt. Wm. Soanes, >>> 51 acs, >>> Henrico Co., in Verina Par; >>> known by the name of Chinkapin Island; on N. side of the Roundaout Br., (sic) >>> adj. Mr. John Bowling, & Mr. John Radford; >>> Trans. of 1 pers. * Note a right paid to Wm. Byrd, Esquir., Auditor. >>> ---------------------------- >>> >>> The next John Bolling deed mentioned; >>> >>> 25 Apr. 1702, p.437, Volume III page 57, >>> John Bolling, >>> 350 acs., >>> Henrico Co., N. side of James River; >>> Beg. on N. side of the Round about;to S. side of same cor. of John Cox; >>> to 4 Mile Cr. old path; NW upon his land called Harrahattocks, &c. Granted Thomas Taylor, with other lands, 23 Sept. 1667; >>> deserted, & now granted by order, &c. >>> Trans. of 7 pers: John Blair, Walter Crommie, James Shields, James Morris, John Sincock, Margt. Brown, Isaac Woodburne. >>> >>> Facts: >>> >>> The word "His" can mean John Bolling's or John Cox's land in this context. This may resolve itself later deeds. >>> --------------------------- >>> >>> Ken' Note; >>> >>> There are several more of John Bolling (spellings) in this same Volume of the C&P. Some will make your jaw drop as you learn there were more than one John Bolling in the area and one who links with Thomas Ballow. In fact, the most import of these other family connections are the Ballow, (Ballew, Bellue) and other spellings who connected on the same Creek's now Albemarle Co., VA to a John Bolling when John Bolling deeded Thomas Ballow land because of his "love and affection" for him. source, C&Ps >>> >>> Thomas Ballow of this same family came into North Carolina with William Bolling of Hallifax County, VA ( of Difficult Creek, on the Piney Branch --(Source ERB and NC tax records), and they are found together. (William Bolling, Johnston King and Thomas Ballue in NC on the Dan River tax rolls) >>> >>> The facts are simple, some one got these genealogies all crossed up but the facts to unravel the mess exists. DNA was set up wrongly to link us into false paper trails. Ancestry .Com is the worst of those as they link you to anyone for a few more dollars, so get away from companies who are doing that. Go with DNA pure and simple, in which case your hit or you do not hit someone in which case a paper trail is not considered what so ever. At the same time we often hit other families we share and no way to find the truth. This fix requires many cousins all working in teams. >>> >>> Right now we all ought to look for Ballow hits and cousins who share that line. Another is Tyree. Some others names which may cross Bolling groups are Brown, Littlepage, Phelps, Goolsby, Kirby, Lightfoot, Sims, and a Randal line. >>> >>> We've really won as the bad guys must shut up in view of the facts and DNA. There was some mis reported genealogy which came out of SC and some from the BFA, and some from the group 3 Benjamin Bolling bc 1725, whose son Benjamin born in 1745, died in 1832 in Wise Co., VA. >>> =================== Ken >>> >>> ============================ >>>> On 04/14/2016 05:14 PM, swampfoxknives wrote: >>>> I think it was great to know,about the earlier Ben but we worked so hard to find him we just pooped out. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone >>>> >>>> >>>> -------- Original message -------- >>>> From: boyd mailto:boyd@rtmc.net >>>> Date: 4/14/2016 5:57 PM (GMT-06:00) >>>> To: june helm mailto:jhelm13035@aol.com >>>> Cc: swampfoxknives mailto:swampfoxknives@frontiernet.net, Barbara Blair mailto:blair820@yahoo.com, Linda Boling mailto:lsmboling@gmail.com, bowling@rootsweb.com, boling@rootsweb.com, bolen@rootsweb.com, bolling@rootsweb.com >>>> Subject: Re: Bolling's of the Old List in NC >>>> >>>> One more idea which is often not said but implied. >>>> >>>> One's 10 th cousin may be alive and well, depending on how one counts cousins relations. Either back into time, or forward into time. It's complicated but often not said at all. 10 across or 10 deep, which is it you are looking at? String size is complicated I think. >>>> >>>> The whole groups of them shows up in DNA ( hits with you). We are mostly working at back into time and usually don't work with someone a 10th cousin x times removed in Bala Bala some where, likely he or she won't have a clue, and worst some of them want you to work their DNA for them. They can not help you at all. DNA strings are about the same size but most have no idea where or when it kicks in to join y ou. >>>> >>>> What's needed are close up kin, 1st, 2nd, 3rd , and 4th cousins. So where do I stand with some of you? Or you to the others? >>>> >>>> This was the fallacy which had the DNA types making guesses at our origin in time. >>>> >>>> If all the people over time had a gene ( different) which mutated in 100 thousand years, then --- when they intermarried that's a lot of mutated genes making it look like further or closer in time than it was. >>>> >>>> It's the nitwit factor. Their brains fry when over loaded. :(()) >>>> >>>> So get a small but determined group all close cousin wise and work in teams. Some of the people who show up to help need help themselves. Vivian was a nice person but spoke of predetermined results she was going to get, remember? Not science at all. >>>> >>>> I have tryed to get cousins involved, but most I know are busy trying to dig out from under the Whitehouse economy. Only a few I know got swapped, but I have thousands of cousin hits. >>>> >>>> I ran into one person some years ago, an educated, very nice person who had worked a common line with me for a long time. One simple document in the McBee Abstracts form Anson Co., NC solved the matter and this person had been mislead for decades by an older genealogy which had it wrong. They got discouraged over this one thing, not even their own error. It happens. >>>> >>>> You all are nice to work with. Thank you. We apparently did not survive learning that g3 Ben Bolling was born in 1725 and not 1734. However g6 Ben Bolling was born in 1734, so this sorts them completely. >>>> >>>> Ken >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 04/12/2016 06:52 PM, june helm wrote: >>>>> Ballou and Goolsby related; Dorcas Lightfoot b. 1766 into Garner and Dunlap (mine); King into Garner and Latham, ditto Kirby; Grimes into Jordan, Terrell (mine); Edwards into Rogers (mine); Phillips into Garner; Barnett into Garner, Latham, Boling. >>>>> >>>>> Well, pretty much no question these folks are kin!! >>>>> >>>>> June >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 12, 2016, at 6:24 PM, june helm <jhelm13035@aol.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Ken >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Is this your Thomas Ballou? I match a Tammy Ballou Fox; her Ballou ancestors were in KY via Ashe NC. Tammy and I are 8th cousins, I think. What a great thing is DNA! >>>>>> June >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Earl Fonso Ballou >>>>>> Vital Events (2 of 9 timeline events) >>>>>> Birth >>>>>> 11-6-1899 >>>>>> Sloans Valley, Pulaski, Kentucky, USA >>>>>> Death >>>>>> 1-14-1984 >>>>>> Tateville, Pulaski, Kentucky, USA >>>>>> More from this family tree >>>>>> 9 timeline events >>>>>> 12 source records >>>>>> 0 stories >>>>>> 19 photos >>>>>> VIEW FULL TREE >>>>>> Parents >>>>>> >>>>>> Thomas Ballou >>>>>> 16 Feb 1854 - 4 Nov 1940 >>>>>> >>>>>> Mary Ann E. "Polly" Buckner >>>>>> Mar 1858 - 1925 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Apr 6, 2016, at 2:37 PM, boyd <boyd@rtmc.net> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi to all, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A John Bolling of SC born in 1756 ( a full birth date given) used some of the Indian names and left records , some of which were in the Quaker records. All of his children were named with full names and full birth dates. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Someone had placed this man in a group 5, but now descendants are said, some in group 6. Given the names used he can only be a grandson of the John Bolling m. said Elizabeth Blair, of the Old List. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A William Bolling , group 6, not a group 5, left two sons, a Wm, Junior and a son John ( about this man's age), and older William lived in Randolph County, NC, not SC. William Bolling, Junior is the ancestor of June of this list. John is missing from our knowledge. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My question is, is John born in 1756 the other son of Wm born in 1731, of the Old List? And who has this line of Bollings? These are group 6 Bollings, not group 5. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Part two; >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The John Bolling born in 1729, who lived on Forks of the Little River in Montgomery County, NC by 1757 was the son of the William Bolling born about 1703 of Halifax County, VA, of Difficult Creek of the Staunton River, early 1750s. Source, ERB >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The said William Bolling born about 1703 removed to NC, south of the Dan River, for a while, in early 1752 or so and was traveling with Johnston King, his son in law, and a Thomas Ballow, who was his close kin. Bolling descendants hit DNA wise the Ballow family. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Note this record: >>>>>>> 25 July 1741, C&P, Volume 4, PB 19 (was PB 18 now marked out and 19 written in), page 249. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 25 Jul 1741, Thomas Edwards, 220 acs. Goochland Co. on both sides of Bolling Cr. on the N side of James Riv.; adj. Leonard Ballow, Isham Randolph, Thomas Ballow, John Bolling & Joseph Jackson; 25 Jul 1741, p.1077. Pound 1.S5. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For the record, the John Bolling, the one mentioned in 1741, lived on Bolling Creek on the north side of the James River, which creek ran along near the modern Hanover County, VA line, and the next river up was the Southanna River, where Johnston King, the son of Peter King lived. Johnston is traveling with William Bollin bc 1703 and married William's daughter named Susannah Bolling and removed to Randolph Co., NC, and lived not far up the Little River from John Bolling bc 1729, another of William's sons. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thomas Ballow married a daughter of John Bolling bc 1668 and was given land by John Bolling for the "love and effection" he had for Thomas Ballow. John Bolling born about 1668 was in Robert King's Will, his mother Mary King and a John Bowland of London. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Joseph Jackson is said a son of Ralph Jackson of Swift Creek , who lived next door to the Bollings on Swift Creek. The apparent reason people moved about was they went to where the land was made available for them to settle. The English set the rules and land was settled in accordance with security measures needed to protect the settements. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I can tie the Bolling on this creek to Goolsby, Lightfoot, King, Kirby, Grimes, Thomas Edwards, William Phillips, Barnett, and others from that area who came into NC. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> How many of you have these lines? Some went into GA, TN, KY, IN. They all used the Indian names. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ken >