There is a small rose embem that was used to designate the clasp to the 1914 Star when only the service ribbon was worn. Great War medal index cards indicate the award of clasps to the 1914 Star with the phrase "Clasp and roses" or sometimes "C & R". The small rose emblem was later used to denote under certain circumstances a clasp to a WW2 Star. Regards. Dick Flory > ---------- > From: Patricia Frykberg > Reply To: [email protected] > Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 2:21 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [BOER-WAR] Boer War: GB Medals - Follow-Up Questions > > Thanks Richard. That is fantastic info. But was there ever a small rose? I > seem to remember something like that? > Pat > -----Original Message----- > From: Flory, Richard <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Date: Monday, 14 July 2003 08:47 AM > Subject: RE: [BOER-WAR] Boer War: GB Medals - Follow-Up Questions > > > >Most collectors today use the terms 'clasp' and 'bar' interchangeably, but > some still insist that a campaign medal has clasps and that bars are used to > denote an additional award of a decoration. > >Pat indicates that Mentions in Despatches are marked with a little rose of > the ribbon - that is incorrect for a number of reasons: > > 1. "Little roses" have never been used to indicate a mention in > despatches - the proper emblem is a multiple-leaved bronze oak leaf for > mentions in WW1 and a single-leaved bronze oak leaf for those mentioned > after 10 August 1920. > >3. There were mentions in despatches for the Boer War but no emblem was > ever authorized for mentions in that war or for any campaign prior to World > War I. > >The only two clasps for the Queen's South Africa Medal that bear dates are > "South Africa 1901" and "South Africa 1902." None of the other clasps bear > dates, but they are generally divided by collectors into battle clasps that > were given for the participation in specific battles (Defence of Kimberley, > Elandslaagte, Defence of Mafeking, Talana, Defence of Ladysmith, Belmont, > Modder River, Relief of Ladysmith, Tugela Heights, Relief of Kimberley, > Paardeberg, Driefontein, Wepener, Relief of Mafeking, Johannesburg, Laing's > Nek, Diamond Hill, Wittebergen and Belfast) and state clasps that were given > for service in a particular state over a period of time (Cape Colony, Natal, > Rhodesia, Orange Free State and Transvaal. > >If a person served in the Boer War and also in the Great War his papers, if > they still exist, should be "bundled" with his World War I papers, but I > have seen some cases when they are available in WO 97. This seems to be > particularly true if the man had a break in service between the two wars. > >Regards. Dick Flory > > > >> ---------- > >> From: Patricia Frykberg > >> Reply To: [email protected] > >> Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 11:16 AM > >> To: [email protected] > >> Subject: Re: [BOER-WAR] Boer War: GB Medals - Follow-Up Questions > >> > >> medal speak bar vs clasp. > >> Well I think they are, but there is an occasion when a man gets a > Mentioned > >> in despatches and puts a little rose on the ribbon when he wears the rows > of > >> decorations in uniform (rudely called a chest of fruit salad) So is THAT > a > >> clasp and the others bars which only are shown on the medal+ribbon worn > as > >> the veterans do now on commemoration parades, Anzac day, Armistice day > etc. > >> Pat > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: David Parkes <[email protected]> > >> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> > >> Date: Monday, 14 July 2003 04:02 AM > >> Subject: [BOER-WAR] Boer War: GB Medals - Follow-Up Questions > >> > >> > >> >David Humphry wrote: > >> > > >> >> QSA clasps could be issued either for specific battles > >> >> or sub-campaigns or or more general service. > >> > > >> >Silly question time: in medal-speak, is a clasp the same> > >> >as a bar? i.e. the small metallic stip which lies > >> >horizontally above the medal itself? > >> > > >> >I have heard/seen that the clasps/bars also have the > >> >dates on them of the respective campaign, yet my GGF's > >> >QSA medal does not - it just lists the three campaigns > >> >[Cape Colony, Transvaal, Orange Free State]. Why is > >> >that some QSA medals have dates and mine does not? > >> > > >> >Finally, as my GGF went onto serve in WWI as a member > >> >of the Military Mounted Police [MMPs], where would > >> >his Boer War service records lie? In the Boer War > >> >"section" or "bundled" with his records from WWI? Any > >> >thoughts? > >> > > >> >Many thanks for the detailed responses and assistance. > >> > > >> >Cheers, > >> >Parkesy > >> > > >> >===== > >> >E-mail: [email protected] [H] > >> > [email protected] [W] > >> > > >> >AOL IM: smethwickman > >> > > >> >Phone: (972) 731-9243 [H] | (972) 528-2913 [W] > >> > (469) 337-6986 [M] | (928) 244-2565 [F] > >> > > >> >__________________________________ > >> >Do you Yahoo!? > >> >SBC Yahoo! 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