Thanks Pam for your email. Will follow up on your suggestions. Family lore is that my Uncle was awarded "a medal" for his service. Someone even claims to have seen it at one time - naturally no one knows where it might be now. Regards, Nancy Goettl, Pamela wrote: >Hi Nancy, > >I'm assuming your ancestor fought with the British. I don't know for certain whether amedal would be awarded to a non-Brit, but I don't see why not. I think I would contact the people who run the website - they might be able to tell you (contact details on the left sidebar of the home page). > >I had my great-uncle's name and the regiment he was in, nothing else. In the blurb on the medal Rolls, it says: "the unit must be known for Royal Artillery, Royal Engineer, Army Service Corps and Royal Army Medical Corps units. If unit not known the research fee is £12." > >If it were me I would take the chance, but talk to the research people at the website first. > >I hope there are other people on the listserv that might have some ideas about an American Boer vet. > >Regards, > >Pam > > > > > >

Hi Nancy, I'm assuming your ancestor fought with the British. I don't know for certain whether amedal would be awarded to a non-Brit, but I don't see why not. I think I would contact the people who run the website - they might be able to tell you (contact details on the left sidebar of the home page). I had my great-uncle's name and the regiment he was in, nothing else. In the blurb on the medal Rolls, it says: "the unit must be known for Royal Artillery, Royal Engineer, Army Service Corps and Royal Army Medical Corps units. If unit not known the research fee is £12." If it were me I would take the chance, but talk to the research people at the website first. I hope there are other people on the listserv that might have some ideas about an American Boer vet. Regards, Pam -----Original Message----- From: Nancy Edwards [mailto:nsedwards@bellsouth.net] Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 10:07 AM To: BOER-WAR-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BOER-WAR] Veteran Index available? Pam and Kevin - I appreciate your emails. Could either of you tell me how one might go about learning for sure if an ancestor from the U.S. was a Boer War Vet? Family lore and an obit. indicate that my great uncle did indeed serve, but my past efforts to find a list identifying those who served from the U.S. have been unsuccessful. As it has been some time since I did my last search, I thought perhaps there might be a new source of which I was unaware. Pam - I went to the website you referenced hoping there may be an index there prior to my placing an order since I'm not certain that what I've been told re: my uncle is accurate. And I do not have any info regarding precisely where he might have served, Regiment, and that sort of thing. Did you have anything other than your ancestor's name when you placed your request? Any assistance much appreciated. Regards, Nancy Edwards - in GA, U.S. - Goettl, Pamela wrote: >Hi Kevin, > >I just went through a similar problem. I don't know if this is the only >way to do it, but apparently men who served in the Boer War in South >Africa were awarded the Queen's medal. I couldn't find anyone on the >listserv that had a copy of the roll (although you may be luckier), so >I went to http://www.militaryresearchon.co.uk/ and requested a search. >It took about a month, but I got a photocopy of my great-uncle's entry >in the roll, along with his service number (I already knew his >regiment), the locations he fought in, and the dates he left for >England and then later rejoined the regiment. It only cost me 6 pounds >50 p, including postage to Canada. > >If you are using the website, type in 'Boer' in the search box, and >scroll down to Medal Roll Copies. > > >Regards, > >Pam Goettl >London, Canada > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Kevin Noble [mailto:k.noble@coventry.ac.uk] >Sent: July 7, 2005 7:20 AM >To: BOER-WAR-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [BOER-WAR] James Fowler 1901 > > > >I am trying to track down an ancestor who I believe was serving >overseas at the time of the Boer War in 1901. >Kevin > > > > > > > ==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== Boer War List Page http://freespace.virgin.net/anglers.rest/BoerWar.htm ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

Pam and Kevin - I appreciate your emails. Could either of you tell me how one might go about learning for sure if an ancestor from the U.S. was a Boer War Vet? Family lore and an obit. indicate that my great uncle did indeed serve, but my past efforts to find a list identifying those who served from the U.S. have been unsuccessful. As it has been some time since I did my last search, I thought perhaps there might be a new source of which I was unaware. Pam - I went to the website you referenced hoping there may be an index there prior to my placing an order since I'm not certain that what I've been told re: my uncle is accurate. And I do not have any info regarding precisely where he might have served, Regiment, and that sort of thing. Did you have anything other than your ancestor's name when you placed your request? Any assistance much appreciated. Regards, Nancy Edwards - in GA, U.S. - Goettl, Pamela wrote: >Hi Kevin, > >I just went through a similar problem. I don't know if this is the only >way to do it, but apparently men who served in the Boer War in South >Africa were awarded the Queen's medal. I couldn't find anyone on the >listserv that had a copy of the roll (although you may be luckier), so I >went to http://www.militaryresearchon.co.uk/ and requested a search. It >took about a month, but I got a photocopy of my great-uncle's entry in >the roll, along with his service number (I already knew his regiment), >the locations he fought in, and the dates he left for England and then >later rejoined the regiment. It only cost me 6 pounds 50 p, including >postage to Canada. > >If you are using the website, type in 'Boer' in the search box, and >scroll down to Medal Roll Copies. > > >Regards, > >Pam Goettl >London, Canada > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Kevin Noble [mailto:k.noble@coventry.ac.uk] >Sent: July 7, 2005 7:20 AM >To: BOER-WAR-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [BOER-WAR] James Fowler 1901 > > > >I am trying to track down an ancestor who I believe was serving overseas >at >the time of the Boer War in 1901. >Kevin > > > > > > >

Hi Kevin, I just went through a similar problem. I don't know if this is the only way to do it, but apparently men who served in the Boer War in South Africa were awarded the Queen's medal. I couldn't find anyone on the listserv that had a copy of the roll (although you may be luckier), so I went to http://www.militaryresearchon.co.uk/ and requested a search. It took about a month, but I got a photocopy of my great-uncle's entry in the roll, along with his service number (I already knew his regiment), the locations he fought in, and the dates he left for England and then later rejoined the regiment. It only cost me 6 pounds 50 p, including postage to Canada. If you are using the website, type in 'Boer' in the search box, and scroll down to Medal Roll Copies. Regards, Pam Goettl London, Canada -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Noble [mailto:k.noble@coventry.ac.uk] Sent: July 7, 2005 7:20 AM To: BOER-WAR-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [BOER-WAR] James Fowler 1901 I am trying to track down an ancestor who I believe was serving overseas at the time of the Boer War in 1901. He disappears from the Census in that year and cannot be found living anywhere in the UK.. This would correspond with the memories of my grandmother but unfortunately she could never remember when he served, where or which regiment. If he was out of the country it is highly likely that he was in South Africa. Do you know of any easily accessible records that I can use to find out whether he enlisted for the Boer War? He would have been about 30 in 1901, was this too old? He lived in Nottingham at the time - is it likely he would have joined a local infantry regiment? Thanks in advance, Kevin ==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== List Admin Message http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=1459 9&targetid=5429

Family information states that my grandfather George Bult, born 2/10/1881, volunteered for the Army during South African War, saying he was 18 when he was 17, which if true means he joined up at the very outset of the war. Search made in WO97/4450 Boer War Attestation and Discharge papers but no papers found. I know his WW1 service number was 80286 in the R.E. Does his WW1 number imply anything about what his Boer War service number would have been? Bryan Weaver

I am trying to locate any further information about Sgt W. Skeet - ie what happened to him after the war etc anything at all - any pointers and I would be extremely grateful. My wifes grandfather was a Boer and in an incident in the Orange Free State in 1901 took a pair of Fieldglasses ( engraved Sgt W. Skeet Royal Sussex Regiment ) off a 'Tommy" Sgt W. Skeet No 7254 of the Royal Sussex Regt ( I also saw a number 2384 as a Private Skeet not sure if this is correct though ?) Initially served as Private with the First Battalion, then as a Sergeant with the Second Volunteer Active Service Company which was attached to the First battalion between May 1901 and June 1902 - apparently he was granted discharge in South Africa in may 1902 Medal Entitlements were; SA Medal and Clasp Action in Johannesburg, Diamond Hill, Wittebergen and the Cape Colony Thanks and Regards, David V. Sheldon ************************************************************************************************* "This e-mail and its attachments are intended for the named addressee only and no liability is accepted for use or reliance on any part of this e-mail by any other person. It is confidential, may be subject to privilege and is also subject to copyright. No part of it should be reproduced, adapted or communicated without the written consent of the copyright owner. Any confidentiality or privilege is not waived or lost because this e-mail has been received by you and you are not the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please let us know by reply e-mail. Please note that e-mails can be interfered with, can contain computer viruses or other defects and may not be successfully replicated on other systems. This footnote confirms that this e-mail message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. However whilst the sender has taken reasonable precautions to minimise the risk of this email and any attachment containing viruses, we cannot accept liability for any such viruses and we give no warranties in relation to any of the above matters. If you have any doubts about the authenticity of this e-mail please contact the sender immediately. No responsibility is accepted for any changes made to a document other than those made by the sender."

Roland, The asterisk is explained in the book.. but not on the website (a slip on my part!!). It actually has 2 meanings where it is applied to either number* or rank*. In the case of Regimental number it shows that the number is NOT that of the Imperial Yeomany series and is therefore either a colonial enlistment (such as the Scottish Horse numbers) or that the man was regular army attached to IY. Where the asterisk is put on a rank it shows that the man does not appear on the IY medal rolls and as such the rank is unknown on the medal.. thus the default rank of Trooper* is shown. Hope that explains that! Kevin

Kevin, Thanks for that. My GF was from Cardiff and had served a previous term in the army in the Caribbean. I really appreciated seeing the history on the website. Roland KevinAsplin@aol.com wrote: Roland, The asterisk is explained in the book.. but not on the website (a slip on my part!!). It actually has 2 meanings where it is applied to either number* or rank*. In the case of Regimental number it shows that the number is NOT that of the Imperial Yeomany series and is therefore either a colonial enlistment (such as the Scottish Horse numbers) or that the man was regular army attached to IY. Where the asterisk is put on a rank it shows that the man does not appear on the IY medal rolls and as such the rank is unknown on the medal.. thus the default rank of Trooper* is shown. Hope that explains that! Kevin ==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== Boer War Links http://freespace.virgin.net/anglers.rest/BoerWarLinks.htm ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Thank you all for these links and for this wonderful site. I was able to locate my Grandfather GEORGE EDGAR PURNELL, Trooper* Imperial Yeomanry, in the index. I have his original parchment discharge certificate. I searched the site and cannot find the meaning of the asterisk (*). In Grandfather's case, at least, it did not mean he was killed. He died in Canada in 1932. I would be interested to know more about any aspect of this. He did receive the South Africa Medal and he wore that on his uniform when he re-enlisted in WW I at Cardiff in 1914. Thanks, Roland Purnell Ventura, California, USA John Wilson <hugo@actrix.gen.nz> wrote: Hi Hubert, John: Re H Flower(s) No 43130 in the Imperial Yeomanry; Kevin Asplin's website has him as: Flowers, Henry: 43130 Trooper*, 34th Bn IY (I think that the * indicates he was killed or died) See: http://hometown.aol.co.uk/kevinasplin/IYF.html or his homepage: http://hometown.aol.co.uk/KevinAsplin/home.html He (or Heather?) also has some Boer War shipping lists from Ken Hallock, see: http://hometown.aol.co.uk/heatherasplin/home2.html Yours, John Wilson (New Zealand) Sent: June 28, 2005 3:08 AM Subject: Re: [BOER-WAR] Fw: [BAN] Missing person > JOHN thank you for that info .i am aware of H FLOWERS 43130 ,i can not find > out his > first name. Hubert Flowers flt1469@bellsouth.net USA > > > There is a H. Flowers who died during the Boer War. > > > > 43130 PRIVATE H. FLOWERS 34th IMPERIAL YEOMANRY DIED OF DISEASE > > ABOARD THE > > S.S. ASSAYE AND BURIED AT SEA 23 MAY 1902 > > > > He is the only Flowers casualty listed. Sorry that I can be of no more > > help. > > > > Good hunting > > > > John Cronin > > > > JOHN CRONIN > > CHRISTCHURCH > > DORSET > > ==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== List Admin Message http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

Dear JOHN WILSON, Sorry for calling you Hug. I was having a senior moment! Regards John Cronin JOHN CRONIN CHRISTCHURCH DORSET

Hugo, He died at sea from disease and was buried at sea. See SOUTH AFRICAN FIELD FORCE CASUALTY LIST and the more recent work of STEVE WATT, called IN MEMORIAM. Regards John JOHN CRONIN CHRISTCHURCH DORSET

Hi Hubert, John: Re H Flower(s) No 43130 in the Imperial Yeomanry; Kevin Asplin's website has him as: Flowers, Henry: 43130 Trooper*, 34th Bn IY (I think that the * indicates he was killed or died) See: http://hometown.aol.co.uk/kevinasplin/IYF.html or his homepage: http://hometown.aol.co.uk/KevinAsplin/home.html He (or Heather?) also has some Boer War shipping lists from Ken Hallock, see: http://hometown.aol.co.uk/heatherasplin/home2.html Yours, John Wilson (New Zealand) Sent: June 28, 2005 3:08 AM Subject: Re: [BOER-WAR] Fw: [BAN] Missing person > JOHN thank you for that info .i am aware of H FLOWERS 43130 ,i can not find > out his > first name. Hubert Flowers flt1469@bellsouth.net USA > > > There is a H. Flowers who died during the Boer War. > > > > 43130 PRIVATE H. FLOWERS 34th IMPERIAL YEOMANRY DIED OF DISEASE > > ABOARD THE > > S.S. ASSAYE AND BURIED AT SEA 23 MAY 1902 > > > > He is the only Flowers casualty listed. Sorry that I can be of no more > > help. > > > > Good hunting > > > > John Cronin > > > > JOHN CRONIN > > CHRISTCHURCH > > DORSET > >

JOHN thank you for that info .i am aware of H FLOWERS 43130 ,i can not find out his first name. Hubert Flowers flt1469@bellsouth.net USA ----- Original Message ----- From: <CJohncronin@aol.com> To: <BOER-WAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 10:19 AM Subject: Re: [BOER-WAR] Fw: [BAN] Missing person > There is a H. Flowers who died during the Boer War. > > 43130 PRIVATE H. FLOWERS 34th IMPERIAL YEOMANRY DIED OF DISEASE ABOARD > THE > S.S. ASSAYE AND BURIED AT SEA 23 MAY 1902 > > He is the only Flowers casualty listed. Sorry that I can be of no more > help. > > Good hunting > > John Cronin > > JOHN CRONIN > CHRISTCHURCH > DORSET > > > ==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== > List Admin Message > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

There is a H. Flowers who died during the Boer War. 43130 PRIVATE H. FLOWERS 34th IMPERIAL YEOMANRY DIED OF DISEASE ABOARD THE S.S. ASSAYE AND BURIED AT SEA 23 MAY 1902 He is the only Flowers casualty listed. Sorry that I can be of no more help. Good hunting John Cronin JOHN CRONIN CHRISTCHURCH DORSET

----- Original Message ----- From: "hff" <flt1469@bellsouth.net> To: <ENG-BANBURY-AREA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 9:08 PM Subject: [BAN] Missing person > Am searching for information about: > > Hubert Henry Flowers, born Jan. 6, 1866 in Banbury, Baptized at St. Mary C > & E, 1866 > > Age 5, 1871 Census, with family Banbury-Oxfordshire > > Age 15, 1881 Census, scholar at Ark House School > > Age 24, 1890, Pvt. 3rd Hussars, stationed at Ballincollic, Cork Ireland, > British Army > > NOT ABLE TO LOCATE AFTER 1890 > > His wife and two sons on 1891 census, Peterboro Northampton census. > > 1901 he is not listed on census. > > flt1469@bellsouth.net > > > ==== ENG-BANBURY-AREA Mailing List ==== > Information on Workhouses/Institutions and Hospitals > http://www.institutions.org.uk > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

Hi List cc Robyn & Viv. May I impose upon someone out there who has a copy of the Coldstream's QSA Roll to check it for clues to Alfred William JENKINS. I'm trying to help his grand daughters flesh-out their family tradition which has him absconding from a pharmaceutical apprenticeship (after accidentally breaking a big and expensive glass bottle) to sign up with the Coldstreams. AW JENKINS was born in Egbaston, Worcs. in 1884 so the timing of that would be circa 1898-00. Being over 6' tall, he'd probably have been attractive to the Coldstreams. JENKINS is said to have served in both the Boer War and Boxer Rebellion before re-enlisting again from Australia with the ANMEF in WW1 - ending up as a Lieutenant on police duties in New Guinea before resigning for medical reasons in 1918. He died in Sydney in 1925 of malaria contracted in New Guinea. The Regiment has advised that nothing could be found on JENKINS even though his 1915 enlistment papers show 4 years previous service with the Coldstream Guards and 'bought discharge'. Perhaps after breaking the apprenticeship contract he enlisted under an alias which would complicate the search considerably. The family has photos of him in China but they may well be while he was serving as a policeman in Hong Kong before WW1. Any assistance/suggestions would be greatly appreciated. The only lead I'm following at this point is to have his WW1 uniform photo blown-up sufficiently to see if he's wearing the QSA ribbon. Colin Roe -- Colin Roe, Torrens ACT Australia Australians in the Boer War Database (www.pcug.org.au/~croe/ozb/oz_boer.cgi)

I'm trying to follow up on a family rumor that a gr. uncle fought in the Boer War. He was William George (or George William) Chambers, b. 1880 in Wandsworth, Surrey, England. Presumably he would have joined a local regiment. How do I follow up on this rumor? Are there any records left that might show him? Best wishes, Pat in Ontario, Canada

Dear List, I thought I would try again to find out if my husbands grandfather is not mentioned on any Medal lists as we would also like to know the places he would have fought. He was William George Richard CLAY who was in the RFA in the 85th Battery. He came out on the SS Manchester Port to South Africa on 18 January 1900 and arrived in Cape Town on 11 February 1900. He was a special service volunteer and in the Great War he was a Farrier Sergeant. I would also like to know where I could find his records after the Boer War. According to my knowledge, he was not wounded etc. He landed up in Kimberley in 1906 when he married his 1st wife in Barkly West. Can some one assist me in finding our more about him Thank you, Glynis

Dear David, Your email was very welcome thankyou. The information you have found is of very great value to us and my father (82) has been quite emotional after reading it. We will arrange some research at Kew to copy the WO128 and WO129., many thanks for the time you spent replying to us. regards Peter Scotland ----- Original Message ----- From: David Humphry To: BOER-WAR-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 6:10 AM Subject: Re: [BOER-WAR] Tom SCOTLAND Hi Peter - I have the Imperial Yeomanry medal roll which shows 29716 Pte. Thomas Scotland, 100th (Northumberland) Company Imperial Yeomanry, entitled to the Queen's South Africa Medal with clasps Cape Colony, Orange Free State, Transvaal, South Africa 1901 & South Africa 1902. The remarks column notes that he was severely wounded at Waterkloof 4/10/1901 and that he qualified for the last two clasps with the I.Y. Staff. His I.Y. attestation and service papers survive in series WO 128 at the National Archive in Kew. These typically consist of 4 pages. Being in Australia you would need to use the services of a researcher a researcher to dig out copies. Regards, David Reply Tree - DDNet <replytree@dodo.com.au> wrote: Dear Boer War experts group, My grandfather TOM SCOTLAND of Jesmond, Northumberland, England apparently joined the army in 1899 ?: - 5th Battalion of Northumberland Fusiliers and served for 12 months. In around 1900 ?: - He joined the 100th Company of Imperial Yeomanry and served for 18 months in South Africa (Boer War). I am obviously looking for further information on his service. He did survive and joined up for WW1 service in the 10th Australian Light Horse in Egypt. He also just survived this episode. This period provides no connection to his British service however. Where do I go from here? regards Peter Scotland - ------------------------------- How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos. Get Yahoo! Photos

----- Original Message ----- From: "Reply Tree - DDNet" <replytree@dodo.com.au> To: <BOER-WAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 8:51 PM Subject: Re: [BOER-WAR] Tom SCOTLAND > Dear David, > > Your email was very welcome thankyou. The information you have found is of very great value to us and my father (82) has been quite emotional after reading it. > > We will arrange some research at Kew to copy the WO128 and WO129., many thanks for the time you spent replying to us. > > regards > > Peter Scotland > ----- Original Message ----- > From: David Humphry > To: BOER-WAR-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 6:10 AM > Subject: Re: [BOER-WAR] Tom SCOTLAND > > > Hi Peter - I have the Imperial Yeomanry medal roll which shows 29716 Pte. Thomas Scotland, 100th (Northumberland) Company Imperial Yeomanry, entitled to the Queen's South Africa Medal with clasps Cape Colony, Orange Free State, Transvaal, South Africa 1901 & South Africa 1902. The remarks column notes that he was severely wounded at Waterkloof 4/10/1901 and that he qualified for the last two clasps with the I.Y. Staff. > > His I.Y. attestation and service papers survive in series WO 128 at the National Archive in Kew. These typically consist of 4 pages. Being in Australia you would need to use the services of a researcher a researcher to dig out copies. > > Regards, David > > Reply Tree - DDNet <replytree@dodo.com.au> wrote: > Dear Boer War experts group, > My grandfather TOM SCOTLAND of Jesmond, Northumberland, England apparently joined the army in 1899 ?: - 5th Battalion of Northumberland Fusiliers and served for 12 months. > > In around 1900 ?: - He joined the 100th Company of Imperial Yeomanry and served for 18 months in South Africa (Boer War). > > I am obviously looking for further information on his service. He did survive and joined up for WW1 service in the 10th Australian Light Horse in Egypt. He also just survived this episode. This period provides no connection to his British service however. > > Where do I go from here? > > regards > > Peter Scotland > > > - ------------------------------- > How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos. Get Yahoo! Photos > > > ==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== > Getting Started on Boer War Research? > http://freespace.virgin.net/anglers.rest/BWInfo.htm > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx >