Is it possible to find an enlistment record for an ordinary soldier who served in the Black Watch in the Boer War? I only have his name, probably birth date and possibley his place of origin. Ed Frank

Hello List, I have made great inroads into my familys history since joining the List - thank you all very much. Could anyone assist me with information as below; My great grandfather was Captain Thomas Sheldon commander of the Paarl District Mounted Troops which were part of the Colonial Irregular Forces formed in the Cape during the Boer War. My Great Uncle Thomas Sheldon jnr was a private - I presume in the same contingent - he later became Under Secretary for Defence in South Africa during WW2 Anyinformation and pointers would be most welcome. Thanks and Regards, David V. Sheldon ************************************************************************************************* "This e-mail and its attachments are intended for the named addressee only and no liability is accepted for use or reliance on any part of this e-mail by any other person. It is confidential, may be subject to privilege and is also subject to copyright. No part of it should be reproduced, adapted or communicated without the written consent of the copyright owner. Any confidentiality or privilege is not waived or lost because this e-mail has been received by you and you are not the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please let us know by reply e-mail. Please note that e-mails can be interfered with, can contain computer viruses or other defects and may not be successfully replicated on other systems. This footnote confirms that this e-mail message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. However whilst the sender has taken reasonable precautions to minimise the risk of this email and any attachment containing viruses, we cannot accept liability for any such viruses and we give no warranties in relation to any of the above matters. If you have any doubts about the authenticity of this e-mail please contact the sender immediately. No responsibility is accepted for any changes made to a document other than those made by the sender."

Hi This is my first posting on this list. So bear with me. My grandfather was Private Henry William JONES 3917 of the 4th Dragoon Guards who apparently saw service in the Boew War from the 24th December 1899 to 15th October 1901 but I cannot find out anything about his service. Can someone point me in the right direction. I believe he was wounded at some stage. I have seen a QSA and a KSQ medal. He has a QSA. What other medals etc can I find out about. Regards Bob-Trafalgar-Australia.

Hi, My grandfather served in the 8th Liverpool and according to family stories was badly wounded. His step-father had to give permission for him to enlist so he was attested under the name Joseph Hogan but later petitioned the army to have his name changed back to Joseph Farrell. I would be grateful if anyone has any casualty lists that has my grandfather's name on it. Many thanks, Anita.

Anita, The 8th Liverpool Battalion did not serve as a Battalion in the Boer War. It was to be exact the 8th (Scottish) Volunteer Battalion of the Liverpool Regiment. Although under the Volunteer act they were not allowed to serve outside the country there were ways around this. All volunteer battalions sent companies of those who wanted to go. In most cases they had to join the regular army and were absorbed into existing regular Battalions. The only entry I can find in the Liverpool Regiment casualty roll matching your man is as follows. 4730 PRIVATE J. FARRELL 1ST BATTALION CAPTURED AT HELVETIA ON 29/12/1900. He was released very soon after. Good hunting John JOHN CRONIN CHRISTCHURCH DORSET

Dear Bob, According to Kevin Asplin's QSA Roll for Regular Cavalry 3917 Private HW JONES 4th Dragoon Guards earned the following clasps to his QSA PAARDEBERG, DRIEFONTEIN, RELIEF OF KIMBERLEY, TRANSVAAL, 1901. I have looked up the SOUTH AFRICAN FIELD FORCE CASUALTY LIST but cannot find a return for him in the 4th Dragoon Guards. JOHN CRONIN CHRISTCHURCH DORSET

John, He would have been on his way out to S. Africa. He did not qualify for the QSA as the 32nd Battalion was the last to arrive before peace. The 33rd to 39th Battalions did not arrive until after the war was over. Even the 32nd only qualified, just. I hope that that clears that up. Cheers John JOHN CRONIN CHRISTCHURCH DORSET

I have just bought Kevin Asplin's ROLL OF THE IMPERIAL YEOMANRY. This con firms that Henry Flowers died and was buried at sea as per my previous post. The ship was the SS Assaye, and the cause of death was pneumonia. Henry was not entitled to the QSA for service with the IY. I hope that adds a little more to the story of Henry Flowers. Good hunting John Cronin JOHN CRONIN CHRISTCHURCH DORSET

Re H Flowers not being entitled to the QSA, was the SS Assaye going to or from South Africa? I thought that any service in South Africa up to 31 May 1902 (the signing at Vereening) entitled the soldier to the QSA medal? (unlike the KSA for which 18 months service before 1 June 1902 & service on or after 1 January 1902 was required). I have seen correspondence with a New Zealand Veterinary-Surgeon Captain who thought he should get the QSA. He went with the New Zealand 5th Contingent ship to Beira then returned by another ship so "did not enter a war zone" and was refused when he applied in 1902 & 1914. A comment that similar Imperial officers got the Transport Medal not the QSA. He also wanted the ordinary War Gratuity (£5?) and the Gratuity to Officers under Art. 601B which at £100 was a large amount! There is a copy on his file of a 1902 letter from the Premier of New Zealand, "King Dick" Seddon to London asking how many officers who accompanied contingents were entitled to these gratuities. Some were ordered ashore, and one (Newall) was only returned to New Zealand when the NZ Government cabled the Imperial authorities for his return! Yours, John Wilson (New Zealand) > I have just bought Kevin Asplin's ROLL OF THE IMPERIAL YEOMANRY. This con > firms that Henry Flowers died and was buried at sea as per my previous post. > The ship was the SS Assaye, and the cause of death was pneumonia. > Henry was not entitled to the QSA for service with the IY. >

Re death of Tpr H. Flowers, 34th Imperial Yeomanry, the death is listed by the English GRO or General Registry Office which is part of the ONS or Office of National Statistics, so you should be able to get a death certificate from them. He is on fiche F535 (Flowers, H. 34 Imp Yeo) as listed on page 818 of the Register. Ref. English GRO (General Registry Office) Overseas or "ancillary" death registration (index) fiches ONS No. F533-F539: "Natal and South African Field Force Deaths 1899-1902 (Regular and Irregular Forces)" which is for Boer War deaths. http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/research/searchingforoverseasrecords/ Though from the sample in Kitzmuller's "In Search of the Folorn Hope" the military death certificates do not have much information on them ie initials not forenames and age perhaps but no birth date/place or parents! Yours, John Wilson (New Zealand) Subject: [BOER-WAR] INFORMATION REQUEST > i had two post sent ,that the family member i have been searching ,was buried at sea > 23 may 1902.he was PRIVATE H FLOWERS 34 IMPERIAL YEOMANRY .where can > i obtain a certificate of death? >

My interest in the Anglo Boer War is in the Cape Mounted Rifles. I wonder if anyone out there has any information on recruitment in the UK for the CMR and the initial training etc for new recruits. Regards, Tony Lyons

i had two post sent ,that the family member i have been searching ,was buried at sea 23 may 1902.he was PRIVATE H FLOWERS 34 IMPERIAL YEOMANRY .where can i obtain a certificate of death? i want to thank all that helped be with my my search. flt1469@bellsouthj.net HUBERT FLOWERS USA

Clear DayHi, List. Does anyone have any information which could lead me to these two great-uncles? Both served in the Boer War - John, I believe in the Royal Field Artillery and Idwal, possibly as a ship's cook on the "Olwen?". Geri (in Canada) Geri Zervoudis

Hope all is well David. Thinking of you all today. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Humphry" <davidh9999@yahoo.co.uk> To: <BOER-WAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 8:12 PM Subject: Re: [BOER-WAR] Veteran Index available? > Nancy & Pat - U.S. citizens served on both sides in the Boer War although > the numbers involved were fairly small. Those on the British side > invariably fought with colonial units (mainly local South African) rather > than British regiments. Such men were often already resident in SA (mainly > working in the Transvaal gold mining industry) but a few were adventurers > who came to SA to see some action. > > There is no definitive listing of Boer War veterans on the British side. > The nearest to such a list are the Queen's South Africa Medal rolls in > series WO 100 at the National Archives in Kew. However, these are arranged > in subseries by regiment/unit and there were hundreds of units involved. > Without knowing the unit there is therefore no practical way of searching > for a man in the medal rolls. > > There are various published casualty rolls but if the man wasn't killed, > wounded, taken POW or died of other causes he won't be listed. > > Regards, David > > patfryk <patfryk@clear.net.nz> wrote: > Stay with this site you people. David Humphries is THE guru and usually > responds very quickly. There were US men ther, and there were vets (ie > veterinarians) and there are innumerable lists of vets (veterans though > none > alive of course but in the sense they were survivors). > Don't go away. I'll watch but can't answer your special questions > Pat > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nancy Edwards" > To: > Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 2:07 AM > Subject: Re: [BOER-WAR] Veteran Index available? > > >> >> Pam and Kevin - >> >> I appreciate your emails. Could either of you tell me how one might go >> about learning for sure if an ancestor from the U.S. was a Boer War Vet? >> Family lore and an obit. indicate that my great uncle did indeed serve, >> but my past efforts to find a list identifying those who served from the >> U.S. have been unsuccessful. As it has been some time since I did my last >> search, I thought perhaps there might be a new source of which I was >> unaware. >> >> Pam - I went to the website you referenced hoping there may be an index >> there prior to my placing an order since I'm not certain that what I've >> been told re: my uncle is accurate. And I do not have any info regarding >> precisely where he might have served, Regiment, and that sort of thing. >> Did you have anything other than your ancestor's name when you placed >> your >> request? >> >> Any assistance much appreciated. >> >> Regards, >> Nancy Edwards >> - in GA, U.S. - > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PCcalling worldwide with > voicemail > > > ==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== > List Admin Message > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.9/39 - Release Date: 4/07/2005 > >

Thanks David > -----Original Message----- > From: David Humphry [mailto:davidh9999@yahoo.co.uk] > Sent: 08 July 2005 09:13 > To: BOER-WAR-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BOER-WAR] Veteran Index available? > > Nancy & Pat - U.S. citizens served on both sides in the Boer > War although the numbers involved were fairly small. Those on > the British side invariably fought with colonial units > (mainly local South African) rather than British regiments. > Such men were often already resident in SA (mainly working in > the Transvaal gold mining industry) but a few were > adventurers who came to SA to see some action. > > There is no definitive listing of Boer War veterans on the > British side. The nearest to such a list are the Queen's > South Africa Medal rolls in series WO 100 at the National > Archives in Kew. However, these are arranged in subseries by > regiment/unit and there were hundreds of units involved. > Without knowing the unit there is therefore no practical way > of searching for a man in the medal rolls. > > There are various published casualty rolls but if the man > wasn't killed, wounded, taken POW or died of other causes he > won't be listed. > > Regards, David > > patfryk <patfryk@clear.net.nz> wrote: > Stay with this site you people. David Humphries is THE guru > and usually responds very quickly. There were US men ther, > and there were vets (ie > veterinarians) and there are innumerable lists of vets > (veterans though none alive of course but in the sense they > were survivors). > Don't go away. I'll watch but can't answer your special questions Pat > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nancy Edwards" > To: > Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 2:07 AM > Subject: Re: [BOER-WAR] Veteran Index available? > > > > > > Pam and Kevin - > > > > I appreciate your emails. Could either of you tell me how > one might go > > about learning for sure if an ancestor from the U.S. was a > Boer War Vet? > > Family lore and an obit. indicate that my great uncle did indeed > > serve, but my past efforts to find a list identifying those > who served > > from the U.S. have been unsuccessful. As it has been some > time since I > > did my last search, I thought perhaps there might be a new > source of > > which I was unaware. > > > > Pam - I went to the website you referenced hoping there may be an > > index there prior to my placing an order since I'm not certain that > > what I've been told re: my uncle is accurate. And I do not have any > > info regarding precisely where he might have served, > Regiment, and that sort of thing. > > Did you have anything other than your ancestor's name when > you placed > > your request? > > > > Any assistance much appreciated. > > > > Regards, > > Nancy Edwards > > - in GA, U.S. - > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PCcalling > worldwide with voicemail > > > ==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== > List Admin Message > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >

Hello David - I do appreciate your response to my query. I was afraid that would be the answer as I have had no luck with other postings either. As my great-uncle was not killed and, to my knowledge, not wounded, it seems I'm at a loss to find out with certainty whether or not he did serve. Thank you for your assistance. Regards, Nancy David Humphry wrote: >Nancy & Pat - U.S. citizens served on both sides in the Boer War although the numbers involved were fairly small. Those on the British side invariably fought with colonial units (mainly local South African) rather than British regiments. Such men were often already resident in SA (mainly working in the Transvaal gold mining industry) but a few were adventurers who came to SA to see some action. > >There is no definitive listing of Boer War veterans on the British side. The nearest to such a list are the Queen's South Africa Medal rolls in series WO 100 at the National Archives in Kew. However, these are arranged in subseries by regiment/unit and there were hundreds of units involved. Without knowing the unit there is therefore no practical way of searching for a man in the medal rolls. > >There are various published casualty rolls but if the man wasn't killed, wounded, taken POW or died of other causes he won't be listed. > >Regards, David > > > > > >

Nancy & Pat - U.S. citizens served on both sides in the Boer War although the numbers involved were fairly small. Those on the British side invariably fought with colonial units (mainly local South African) rather than British regiments. Such men were often already resident in SA (mainly working in the Transvaal gold mining industry) but a few were adventurers who came to SA to see some action. There is no definitive listing of Boer War veterans on the British side. The nearest to such a list are the Queen's South Africa Medal rolls in series WO 100 at the National Archives in Kew. However, these are arranged in subseries by regiment/unit and there were hundreds of units involved. Without knowing the unit there is therefore no practical way of searching for a man in the medal rolls. There are various published casualty rolls but if the man wasn't killed, wounded, taken POW or died of other causes he won't be listed. Regards, David patfryk <patfryk@clear.net.nz> wrote: Stay with this site you people. David Humphries is THE guru and usually responds very quickly. There were US men ther, and there were vets (ie veterinarians) and there are innumerable lists of vets (veterans though none alive of course but in the sense they were survivors). Don't go away. I'll watch but can't answer your special questions Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy Edwards" To: Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 2:07 AM Subject: Re: [BOER-WAR] Veteran Index available? > > Pam and Kevin - > > I appreciate your emails. Could either of you tell me how one might go > about learning for sure if an ancestor from the U.S. was a Boer War Vet? > Family lore and an obit. indicate that my great uncle did indeed serve, > but my past efforts to find a list identifying those who served from the > U.S. have been unsuccessful. As it has been some time since I did my last > search, I thought perhaps there might be a new source of which I was > unaware. > > Pam - I went to the website you referenced hoping there may be an index > there prior to my placing an order since I'm not certain that what I've > been told re: my uncle is accurate. And I do not have any info regarding > precisely where he might have served, Regiment, and that sort of thing. > Did you have anything other than your ancestor's name when you placed your > request? > > Any assistance much appreciated. > > Regards, > Nancy Edwards > - in GA, U.S. - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PCcalling worldwide with voicemail

Stay with this site you people. David Humphries is THE guru and usually responds very quickly. There were US men ther, and there were vets (ie veterinarians) and there are innumerable lists of vets (veterans though none alive of course but in the sense they were survivors). Don't go away. I'll watch but can't answer your special questions Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy Edwards" <nsedwards@bellsouth.net> To: <BOER-WAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 2:07 AM Subject: Re: [BOER-WAR] Veteran Index available? > > Pam and Kevin - > > I appreciate your emails. Could either of you tell me how one might go > about learning for sure if an ancestor from the U.S. was a Boer War Vet? > Family lore and an obit. indicate that my great uncle did indeed serve, > but my past efforts to find a list identifying those who served from the > U.S. have been unsuccessful. As it has been some time since I did my last > search, I thought perhaps there might be a new source of which I was > unaware. > > Pam - I went to the website you referenced hoping there may be an index > there prior to my placing an order since I'm not certain that what I've > been told re: my uncle is accurate. And I do not have any info regarding > precisely where he might have served, Regiment, and that sort of thing. > Did you have anything other than your ancestor's name when you placed your > request? > > Any assistance much appreciated. > > Regards, > Nancy Edwards > - in GA, U.S. - > > > Goettl, Pamela wrote: > >>Hi Kevin, >> >>I just went through a similar problem. I don't know if this is the only >>way to do it, but apparently men who served in the Boer War in South >>Africa were awarded the Queen's medal. I couldn't find anyone on the >>listserv that had a copy of the roll (although you may be luckier), so I >>went to http://www.militaryresearchon.co.uk/ and requested a search. It >>took about a month, but I got a photocopy of my great-uncle's entry in >>the roll, along with his service number (I already knew his regiment), >>the locations he fought in, and the dates he left for England and then >>later rejoined the regiment. It only cost me 6 pounds 50 p, including >>postage to Canada. >> >>If you are using the website, type in 'Boer' in the search box, and >>scroll down to Medal Roll Copies. >> >> >>Regards, >> >>Pam Goettl >>London, Canada >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Kevin Noble [mailto:k.noble@coventry.ac.uk] Sent: July 7, 2005 7:20 >>AM >>To: BOER-WAR-L@rootsweb.com >>Subject: [BOER-WAR] James Fowler 1901 >> >> >> I am trying to track down an ancestor who I believe was serving overseas >>at >>the time of the Boer War in 1901. Kevin >> >> >> >> >> > > > ==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== > Boer War List Page > http://freespace.virgin.net/anglers.rest/BoerWar.htm > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.9/39 - Release Date: 4/07/2005 > >

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I am trying to track down an ancestor who I believe was serving overseas at the time of the Boer War in 1901. He disappears from the Census in that year and cannot be found living anywhere in the UK.. This would correspond with the memories of my grandmother but unfortunately she could never remember when he served, where or which regiment. If he was out of the country it is highly likely that he was in South Africa. Do you know of any easily accessible records that I can use to find out whether he enlisted for the Boer War? He would have been about 30 in 1901, was this too old? He lived in Nottingham at the time - is it likely he would have joined a local infantry regiment? Thanks in advance, Kevin