Have you worked through the HUDSONs in India listed at http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp __________/\/******\/\______ Anne Lehmkuhl, London, UK http://www.rupert.net/~lkool/ Information & the South African Genealogical Research Directory From: Bill Braden-Brown <bbbpbb@clear.net.nz> To: BOER-WAR-L@rootsweb.com Subject: THOMAS HUDSON . Hi to all , 44486 Hudson .Thomas Farrier /Sgt 30 Bn Imp.Yeo. 4553 Hudson Thomas Farrier Sgt 53 Coy 14 Bn Imp Yeo. 4358 Pte T. Hudson 18 Hussars. 4351 Pte T.Hudson 19 Hussars. 3545 Pte T.Hudson 20 Hussars. all the above five Soldiers served and returned from the Boer War 1899 to 1902 . however there was a Gunner T Hudson # 4419 RFA.who was killed at Standerton on 9th Jan 1902. My plight is that my Grand father who was a Thomas Hudson who married to my Grandmother in Lucknow India was a Private ,and did not give his regiment on his marriage certificate. However his total absence from my Mothers life, and later his wife ,said to have died, left them well provided for in a Local convent/Orphanage.In India. In my mother papers after her death was a Photograph of an unknown soldier , taken in India around 1890's, showing his collar badges to be the small flaming grenade.Hence the suggestion of Thomas Hudson being in the RFA,?. Also on Mothers Marriage Cert , it shows Thomas Hudson's rank as being that of Farrier Sgt.? Now I understand that I am not able to get ant information on Gnr T Hudson 4419 , other that a death certificate that has the pre mentioned Name. this man could have been a Thedore or a Trevor or some other name. Is there a simple way that I can check the remaining T . and Thomas Hudson's that I have listed above , to see what their spouse's name were,Fathers name etc or next of kin etc. I would be most gratefully if someone could help over this brick wall that I have hit. Regards Bill in Weymouth .N.Z. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Hi to all , 44486 Hudson .Thomas Farrier /Sgt 30 Bn Imp.Yeo. 4553 Hudson Thomas Farrier Sgt 53 Coy 14 Bn Imp Yeo. 4358 Pte T. Hudson 18 Hussars. 4351 Pte T.Hudson 19 Hussars. 3545 Pte T.Hudson 20 Hussars. all the above five Soldiers served and returned from the Boer War 1899 to 1902 . however there was a Gunner T Hudson # 4419 RFA.who was killed at Standerton on 9th Jan 1902. My plight is that my Grand father who was a Thomas Hudson who married to my Grandmother in Lucknow India was a Private ,and did not give his regiment on his marriage certificate. However his total absence from my Mothers life, and later his wife ,said to have died, left them well provided for in a Local convent/Orphanage.In India. In my mother papers after her death was a Photograph of an unknown soldier , taken in India around 1890's, showing his collar badges to be the small flaming grenade.Hence the suggestion of Thomas Hudson being in the RFA,?. Also on Mothers Marriage Cert , it shows Thomas Hudson's rank as being that of Farrier Sgt.? Now I understand that I am not able to get ant information on Gnr T Hudson 4419 , other that a death certificate that has the pre mentioned Name. this man could have been a Thedore or a Trevor or some other name. Is there a simple way that I can check the remaining T . and Thomas Hudson's that I have listed above , to see what their spouse's name were,Fathers name etc or next of kin etc. I would be most gratefully if someone could help over this brick wall that I have hit. Regards Bill in Weymouth .N.Z.

Hi to everyone, John, your information notwithstanding!! Can nobody find a John and James Laughton, born Orkney 1852 and 1854 respectively. You are the last place I have left to look for them. Sincerely Betty

Robin - You may alreadfy have this information but I can add that in WW1 he was number 9227 in the 11th Battalion Lancashire Fusiliers and was born in and enlisted at Leeds. David Robin Wainwright <robin.wainwright@btopenworld.com> wrote:Thank you for the info David. The medal details are really helpful. I have come across Smith but he seems to have come from Penistone and I'm fairly sure there are ho links. I am going on a FHS trip to Kew at the wnd of September so will look at WO 128 andalso try my luck with the burnt documents. He joined the Lancashire Fusilier in Sept 1914 and was blown up by a mune 26 April 1916. Many thanks for your help, Robin --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PCcalling worldwide with voicemail

Thank you for the info David. The medal details are really helpful. I have come across Smith but he seems to have come from Penistone and I'm fairly sure there are ho links. I am going on a FHS trip to Kew at the wnd of September so will look at WO 128 andalso try my luck with the burnt documents. He joined the Lancashire Fusilier in Sept 1914 and was blown up by a mune 26 April 1916. Many thanks for your help, Robin

Robin - I just noticed that I inadvertently omitted Transvaal from the list of clasps on his QSA. David --------------------------------- How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos. Get Yahoo! Photos

Hi Robin, 1. The Yorkshire Dragoons weren't a 'typical' cavalry regiment in that they weren't a regular regiment. They were the 111th Company Imperial Yeomanry, the IY being volunteer units used extensively in the Boer War with men generally signing up for the duration of the war or even a shorter period of time. 2. He is shown on the IY roll as 32481 Corporal William Wainwright entitled to the Queen's South Africa Medal with clasps Cape Colony, Orange Free State, South Africa 1901 & South Africa 1902. Interestingly the roll also shows 32486 Trooper Smith Wainwright with the same entitlement. This, especially with the proximity of their numbers, indicates they were related. Perhaps brothers? He could have served as a blacksmith or farrier as such trades were used in mounted and artillery units of that era. 3. There might be a contemporary regimental history but copies of such histories tend to be scarce and expensive. Judging by the clasp combination on his QSA he would have arrived in South Africa during mid or late 1901 and did not take part in any major battles. (He would probably have taken part in several minor actions though). However, the attestation and service papers of both William and Smith Wainwright survive in series WO 128 at the National Archives at Kew and these will provide some of the details you're looking for. Cheers, David Robin Wainwright <robin.wainwright@btopenworld.com> wrote: My grandfather, William Wainwright, served in South Africa. By the end of the war he was a corporal in the Yorkshire Dragoons, Imperial Yeomanry. His civilian trade was a blacksmith. I wonder if someone could advise me, please? 1. Am I right in the assumption that the Dragoons would have been a typical cavalry regiment. 2. Would he have been likely to have served as a blacksmith? If so would this square, with presumably two promotions? I do not know whether he was trained to ride - as he lived in central Leeds I assume he had no riding experience before joining up. 3. Where can I find information about the campaigns of the Yorkshire Dragoons. Any help would be gratefully received. Robin Wainwright - Bristol UK --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PCcalling worldwide with voicemail

OK. Not much chance of finding anything then - he was a lowly corporal when he was discharged in 1901 after 13 years service. Thank you John. Pat.xxx :o)) A Maid of Kent, UK. Your county needs YOU !!! http://FreeCEN.rootsweb.com Looking for ancestors in Kent ? Try: http://www.kent-opc.org.uk/ www.lawrence.eastkentgenealogy.co.uk Dear Pat, Unless he was an officer, it would be unlikely that he would be named on any lists other than those maintained for administrative purposes by his unit, which would not have outlived their purposes for long. Try the R.E. Museum you might get lucky. John JOHN CRONIN CHRISTCHURCH DORSET

Hello list !!! My great grandad's older brother was in the 1st Telegraph Division of the Royal Engineers. I believe he left Southampton for South Africa on the freighter Gascon in October 1899. Could anyone tell me if there's likely to be a list of soldier's who were onboard & if so, where it might be found ? Thank you very glad !!! Pat.xxx :o)) in wet, soggy East Kent A Maid of Kent, UK. Your county needs YOU !!! http://FreeCEN.rootsweb.com Looking for ancestors in Kent ? Try: http://www.kent-opc.org.uk/ www.lawrence.eastkentgenealogy.co.uk

Dear Pat, Unless he was an officer, it would be unlikely that he would be named on any lists other than those maintained for administrative purposes by his unit, which would not have outlived their purposes for long. Try the R.E. Museum you might get lucky. John JOHN CRONIN CHRISTCHURCH DORSET

hope this is ok to post, I'm sure some of you already know about this site but if not,it is a great forum with folks willing to help with census lookups etc. Folks there have recommended this Boer war mailing list so thought it would be nice to reciprocate www.rootschat.com Its free, and been a great help to me since I have been a member. Regards , Gazza

Hello, I was wondering if someone could help me. Family rumour has it that my great grandfather Benjamin Kendall served in the Boer War. I know he was with the Royal Munster Fusiliers in the Great War and survived, but have no info on the Boer War. What's my best bet for finding out whether he was in South Africa? Many thanks, Sarah

Thanks very much for the info John. regards, Gazza ----- Original Message ----- From: <CJohncronin@aol.com> To: <BOER-WAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 3:28 PM Subject: Re: [BOER-WAR] Fw: 2nd County of London Imp. Yeo., late 1st Dragoons (Cavalry) >I do not have any reference to a Baldwin in the 2nd ( COUNTY OF LONDON) > Imperial Yeomanry. > It could be that I just do not have that list yet. However, there is an > entry in the Ist Dragoons medal roll for 4974 Private H. Baldwin that > might be > your man. He earned the QSA medal with clasps for Cape Colony, Orange Free > State, The 1901 bar, and the 1902 bar and also for the Transvaal. I do > say that > the above is your man, but there is a strong chance. > > Good Hunting > > John Cronin > > JOHN CRONIN > CHRISTCHURCH > DORSET > > > ==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== > Getting Started on Boer War Research? > http://freespace.virgin.net/anglers.rest/BWInfo.htm > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

My grandfather, William Wainwright, served in South Africa. By the end of the war he was a corporal in the Yorkshire Dragoons, Imperial Yeomanry. His civilian trade was a blacksmith. I wonder if someone could advise me, please? 1. Am I right in the assumption that the Dragoons would have been a typical cavalry regiment. 2. Would he have been likely to have served as a blacksmith? If so would this square, with presumably two promotions? I do not know whether he was trained to ride - as he lived in central Leeds I assume he had no riding experience before joining up. 3. Where can I find information about the campaigns of the Yorkshire Dragoons. Any help would be gratefully received. Robin Wainwright - Bristol UK

Hi John, Henry James Baldwin was his name. Thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: <CJohncronin@aol.com> To: <BOER-WAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 2:13 PM Subject: Re: [BOER-WAR] Fw: 2nd County of London Imp. Yeo., late 1st Dragoons (Cavalry) > What was your GRANDFATHER's name? > > John > > JOHN CRONIN > CHRISTCHURCH > DORSET > > > ==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== > Boer War List Page > http://freespace.virgin.net/anglers.rest/BoerWar.htm > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

I'm hoping someone can clarify as I'm having trouble understanding military terminology dragoons, platoons, regiments etc. Some kind folk have given me links to some interesting sites but I just cannot get my head around what is written there. I have found what could be my grandfather in a barracks in 1901 census. The commanding officer appears to be a Henry William Mansfield. I found someone on the web who has a little info on the gentleman. I was told as follows:- Major ,2nd County of London Imperial Yeomanry,Late 1st Dragoons (Cavalry) . The web site doesn't really make it clear what exactly they were called. One reference seems to suggest that the "regiment" was filled mainly with "well-to-do" gentlemen, which wouldn't really fit well with my grandfather! Another reference refers to them as Westminster Dragoons!! (pounding headache beginning again.....) So I am at a bit of a loss. Ultimately I would like to know if the above regiment saw action in the Boer war & hopefully somehow find my Grandfathers civilian address. Many thanks for any clarity anyone can provide.

I do not have any reference to a Baldwin in the 2nd ( COUNTY OF LONDON) Imperial Yeomanry. It could be that I just do not have that list yet. However, there is an entry in the Ist Dragoons medal roll for 4974 Private H. Baldwin that might be your man. He earned the QSA medal with clasps for Cape Colony, Orange Free State, The 1901 bar, and the 1902 bar and also for the Transvaal. I do say that the above is your man, but there is a strong chance. Good Hunting John Cronin JOHN CRONIN CHRISTCHURCH DORSET

What was your GRANDFATHER's name? John JOHN CRONIN CHRISTCHURCH DORSET

Does any lister know if there is a list anywhere of those who were involved in the Jameson Raid in 1895-96. My wife's grandfather apparently claimed to have been one of Jameson's men ... although he did also appear to have been involved in just about every major event during the subsequent war! His name was John Browne Quinn (aka John Burnett Quinn). He was eventually a sergeant in the Commander in Chief's Bodyguard towards the end of the war, when Kitchener was C-in-C. Any suggestions would be gratefully accepted. Alistair Kennedy Gosford NSW Australia

If you give me the name I can look up a few surces I have to see what I can find. I don't have any information about enlistment records, but I'll see what I can find. David McNay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Frank" <edlfrank@msn.com> To: <BOER-WAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 1:33 AM Subject: [BOER-WAR] Black Watch > Is it possible to find an enlistment record for an ordinary soldier who > served in the Black Watch in the Boer War? I only have his name, probably > birth date and possibley his place of origin. > Ed Frank > > > > ==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== > Boer War Links > http://freespace.virgin.net/anglers.rest/BoerWarLinks.htm > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.9.0/50 - Release Date: 16/07/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.9.0/50 - Release Date: 16/07/2005