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Hi David, Thank you very much indeed for that piece of information. You are right about his promotion. After the Boer war he joined the Coast Guard service in 1903 and served at Cromer Palling and Walmer. During that time he passed his Chief Officer exam. After 1923 he joined the Board of Trade and moved to the Coast Guard Station Marina at Deal, Kent until his death in 1936 from a stroke at the age of 59. Kind regards. Patrick. At 02:51 PM 8/10/05, you wrote: >Hi Patrick, > >He shows up on the roll of HMS Powerful as 160.263 AB (Able Bodied Seaman) >H. Segrott entitled to the QSA medal with clasp Defence of Ladysmith. >Powerful had a sizeable contingent at Ladysmith, arriving just before the >town was cut off by the Boers. Crucially for the defence they brought some >of their ship's guns with them which they set up and manned during the >siege. It's often considered that the town couldn't have held out for so >long without the naval guns. His promotion to Chief Petty Officer would >have come later in his service career. > >Regards, David

Hello Listers, After the fall of Pretoria, a unit of the British forces was garrisoned in the orchard of the farm 'Lisdogan', in Pretoria. Does anyone know which unit this might have been? I'm hoping someone may have seen reference to it somewhere. 'Lisdogan' was owned by Andrew Johnston, and was situated in Church Street, in an area known as Brynterion, just north of where the Union Buildings are now situated. Andrew Johnston was a merchant in Pretoria, who originally came from Co.Sligo, Ireland, and later became mayor of Pretoria. Regards, Brian.

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Hi David, I was told by a cousin of mine that her father Herbert SEGROTT was a Chief Petty Officer in the Royal Navy and served with the Naval Attachment in the Boer War at the siege of Ladysmith, in South Africa.. He trained at HMS Impregnable. Served on HMS Powerful, Sans Pareil, Marmola, Revenge and Alexandra then transferred to Victory at the Naval Depot. If it is not too inconvenient for you, I wonder if you would please mind looking in the Naval medal rolls for the Boer War, which you mention in your posting, to see if he is listed there. Regards. Patrick. Perth, Western Australia. At 11:30 PM 8/9/05, you wrote: >Hi Colleen, > > > >I've checked through the Naval medal rolls for the Boer War but couldn't >find any Bonser or Bonsar. These are arranged by ship and and take a bit >of wading through so I concentrated only on those officers and men who >received clasps their Queen's South Africa Medal with clasps. This was on >the basis that your man had to have served ashore if he saw any action >while those who didn't serve ashore (the majority) received the medal >without any clasps. > >I've also checked through the list of honours and awards for the Navy and >again there is no Bonser or Bonsar. He could not have been awarded the >Military Cross as that wasn't instituted until 1914 and until recently was >awarded to officers only. Although primarily an Army decoration in WW1 it >was also awarded to officers of the Royal Flying Corps and some Naval and >Royal Marine officers who served on land. > >In addition, I've never heard of Kitchener being saved from capture by the >Boers and I'm sure that such an event would be widely mentioned in >histories of the war. Being the Commander-in-Chief during the lattter half >of the war he wasn't a front line soldier and would have been well >protected by his own bodyguards anyway. > >Regards, David > > >Colleen Thorne <ct005664@bigpond.net.au> wrote: >Hi All >Have been asked to help a fellow WHITE re his ancestors. > >I have been given the name May WHITE born Belfast?? Ireland. Her father was >a magistrate in Johannesburg during the Boer war. The family was interned by >the Boers during the war. > >She married a George BONSAR who served in the Royal Navy and fought in the >Boer War. Decorated for bravery for saving Kitchener from capture by the >Boers. They think it was a Military Cross. > >The pair had 20 children - 4 sons 16 girls. Olive his mother being the >youngest child. He lives in Durban now. > >Can any one help with this query? Please contact me if you have anything, >thanks >Colleen nee WHITE > > >--------------------------------- >Yahoo! Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with >voicemail > > >==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== >List Admin Message >http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > >============================== >View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find >marriage announcements and more. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx

Hi to all , I am trying to find my grandfather who I believe to have fought in the BOER War, and in most probably ,could have been killed at Standerton by lightning. If I was able to obtain a death certificate of Gnr T Hudson RFA, would this give me his Christian name in full or just 4419 T Hudson Gnr RFA , his age, and how he died. would there be at all any reference to his next of kin.? Is there a register some where ? or a regimental museum that could have deposited in it ,a reference to this man ,pay or muster rolls and his next of Kin ,where he was given his service number . There were from what I can deduce were Three, T Hudson's, that survived the Boer War's, and two Thomas Hudson's,who also survived. and these soldiers would have a record. and of course one 4419 Gnr T. Hudson RFA that was killed at Standerton. I have a gut feeling that this man most probably is my grandfather. Could some one please help me .some of you must have tried to find details for your kin and could advise me. Many Thanks . Bill In Weymouth N.Z.

Hi Patrick, He shows up on the roll of HMS Powerful as 160.263 AB (Able Bodied Seaman) H. Segrott entitled to the QSA medal with clasp Defence of Ladysmith. Powerful had a sizeable contingent at Ladysmith, arriving just before the town was cut off by the Boers. Crucially for the defence they brought some of their ship's guns with them which they set up and manned during the siege. It's often considered that the town couldn't have held out for so long without the naval guns. His promotion to Chief Petty Officer would have come later in his service career. Regards, David patrick holland <lambeth@it.net.au> wrote: Hi David, I was told by a cousin of mine that her father Herbert SEGROTT was a Chief Petty Officer in the Royal Navy and served with the Naval Attachment in the Boer War at the siege of Ladysmith, in South Africa.. He trained at HMS Impregnable. Served on HMS Powerful, Sans Pareil, Marmola, Revenge and Alexandra then transferred to Victory at the Naval Depot. If it is not too inconvenient for you, I wonder if you would please mind looking in the Naval medal rolls for the Boer War, which you mention in your posting, to see if he is listed there. Regards. Patrick. Perth, Western Australia. --------------------------------- To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre.

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Hi All Have been asked to help a fellow WHITE re his ancestors. I have been given the name May WHITE born Belfast?? Ireland. Her father was a magistrate in Johannesburg during the Boer war. The family was interned by the Boers during the war. She married a George BONSAR who served in the Royal Navy and fought in the Boer War. Decorated for bravery for saving Kitchener from capture by the Boers. They think it was a Military Cross. The pair had 20 children - 4 sons 16 girls. Olive his mother being the youngest child. He lives in Durban now. Can any one help with this query? Please contact me if you have anything, thanks Colleen nee WHITE

Hi Colleen, I hate to rain on your parade but I'm afraid that none of the military aspects of your family story ring true. I've checked through the Naval medal rolls for the Boer War but couldn't find any Bonser or Bonsar. These are arranged by ship and and take a bit of wading through so I concentrated only on those officers and men who received clasps their Queen's South Africa Medal with clasps. This was on the basis that your man had to have served ashore if he saw any action while those who didn't serve ashore (the majority) received the medal without any clasps. I've also checked through the list of honours and awards for the Navy and again there is no Bonser or Bonsar. He could not have been awarded the Military Cross as that wasn't instituted until 1914 and until recently was awarded to officers only. Although primarily an Army decoration in WW1 it was also awarded to officers of the Royal Flying Corps and some Naval and Royal Marine officers who served on land. In addition, I've never heard of Kitchener being saved from capture by the Boers and I'm sure that such an event would be widely mentioned in histories of the war. Being the Commander-in-Chief during the lattter half of the war he wasn't a front line soldier and would have been well protected by his own bodyguards anyway. Regards, David Colleen Thorne <ct005664@bigpond.net.au> wrote: Hi All Have been asked to help a fellow WHITE re his ancestors. I have been given the name May WHITE born Belfast?? Ireland. Her father was a magistrate in Johannesburg during the Boer war. The family was interned by the Boers during the war. She married a George BONSAR who served in the Royal Navy and fought in the Boer War. Decorated for bravery for saving Kitchener from capture by the Boers. They think it was a Military Cross. The pair had 20 children - 4 sons 16 girls. Olive his mother being the youngest child. He lives in Durban now. Can any one help with this query? Please contact me if you have anything, thanks Colleen nee WHITE --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail

Thank you John & John for your responses re Albert Forecast and his possible service entitlement. I will pass this information along to the family and suggest that they hire a researcher. We did have the information from the CEF database of the Canadian Archives but that only gives his Canadian service number, though it does name his previous regiment which was useful. Thanks again for the information. SheilaJ <snip>A soldier could have joined up in early 1902 and as long as he got to South Africa by 31st May 1902 (the signing of the Peace of Vereeniging) he would have got the QSM with South Africa 1902 (SA02) clasp. This applied to the New Zealand 8th, 9th & 10th Contingents who arrived in South Africa in March, April & May 1902 respectively (the period travelling by sea to South Africa did not count). The soldier could then have served for eight years to 1910 and then been discharged. Timing tight but possible. But not the KSM, which required 18 months service before 1 June 1902, and to have been serving in South Africa after 1 January 1902. Yours, John Wilson (New Zealand) --------------------------------- Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos

A soldier could have joined up in early 1902 and as long as he got to South Africa by 31st May 1902 (the signing of the Peace of Vereeniging) he would have got the QSM with South Africa 1902 (SA02) clasp. This applied to the New Zealand 8th, 9th & 10th Contingents who arrived in South Africa in March, April & May 1902 respectively (the period travelling by sea to South Africa did not count). The soldier could then have served for eight years to 1910 and then been discharged. Timing tight but possible. But not the KSM, which required 18 months service before 1 June 1902, and to have been serving in South Africa after 1 January 1902. Yours, John Wilson (New Zealand) PS: Kevin Asplin's website includes all Cavalry (Dragoon, Dragoon Guard, Hussar, Lancer) regiments, but for the Irregular regiments (largely Light Horse or Mounted Infantry) recruited in South Africa up to C (the Canadian Scouts) sofar. And a real achievment to list names for that many regiments. Thank you Kevin! http://hometown.aol.co.uk/KevinAsplin/home.html > It's been ages since I've posted anything on this list, but I'm hoping someone out there can help. I am trying to find the service number for one Albert George FORECAST, born April 2, 1882 in England. He was in the 17th Duke of Cambridge Lancers for 8 years, most recently in India in 1906/07 prior to his discharge in 1910. He then came to Canada and signed up with the Canadian Expeditionary Forces for WW1. His descendants have been attempting to find out more from his service records but have been unsuccessful in finding his service number. It is assumed that he took part in the South Africa War, but I checked the Asplin website for anyone with that name receiving the QSA medal and there is only one person of the same surname however, not the same man. Any hints? Can his family request his service records through the PRO without his number, using his name and date of birth for identification? >

Dear Sheila, If he served for 8 years and left in 1910 then he would not have reached South Africa until mid-late 1902. Peace had been declared by then, and he would have not been entitled to the QSA and KSA. It is perfectly possible to obtain his service record from the National Archives at Kew without his service number. However, unless you have friends or relatives in the UK who will search for you, you will have to contact a professional searcher. Kew does not undertake searches. Also, as he served in WW1 if he served with the CEF his details will be on line under the Canadian National Archives. If he served with the British Army there is only a 30% chance that his papers survived as most of the enlisted men's records were destroyed during air raids. Good hunting John JOHN CRONIN CHRISTCHURCH DORSET

Hello listers, It's been ages since I've posted anything on this list, but I'm hoping someone out there can help. I am trying to find the service number for one Albert George FORECAST, born April 2, 1882 in England. He was in the 17th Duke of Cambridge Lancers for 8 years, most recently in India in 1906/07 prior to his discharge in 1910. He then came to Canada and signed up with the Canadian Expeditionary Forces for WW1. His descendants have been attempting to find out more from his service records but have been unsuccessful in finding his service number. It is assumed that he took part in the South Africa War, but I checked the Asplin website for anyone with that name receiving the QSA medal and there is only one person of the same surname however, not the same man. Any hints? Can his family request his service records through the PRO without his number, using his name and date of birth for identification? Grabbing at straws, Sheila Johnston London, Ontario CANADA sjohnston17@yahoo.ca __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Hi List This is not a direct Boer War enquiry but does anyone know where No. 47 Company of the Royal Garrison Artillery (it's written as just "47 RGA" would be located, presumably somewhere in England, on 22 Nov 1904? It may be Scarborough but it might be the Isle of Wight! This is documented in a service record post the return from South Africa 27 Nov 1903 of L/C 6342 W J F FORREST of the Northumberland Fusiliers. Many thanks John LOVE

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