I have been looking through some of the pages I have photocopied from John Stirling's "The Colonials In South Africa"pub 1904. In this he lists all the little local militia which were in operations at various times. It looks as though in many cases they were commanded by British Officers. For instance Bethune's Mounted Infantry was raised in Durban by Major E.C,Bethune of 16th Lancers. Alas though Margaret I dont have the page for your East Griqualand Mounted Rifles. though there is a brief mention on page 241 mentioned in despatches are three officers Armstrong, Dower, Leary and King But this book should be available in any big reasonable library. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "M.J. Adderley" <june.adderley@gmail.com> To: <BOER-WAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 10:39 PM Subject: Re: [BOER-WAR] W Massey EGMR > Hi Margaret, > I think you will get a more informed answer than mine!, > What I have learned is that, Gen Roberts? required each regiment to proved > a group of mounted infantry, for instance in my grandfathers case, he > served > at battle sites as a mounted soldier that the Manchester regiment were not > listed as being present. > However the bars on his medal prove that he was there. > May be you are looking at a similar directive. > Have you been able to find anything on the composition of the Griqualand > Mounted Rifles , as an officer he may have been in charge of such a group. > June > > On 8/28/05, MarMnkly@aol.com <MarMnkly@aol.com> wrote: >> >> Hello, thanks for your reply. I am hoping to find out how an officer who >> was >> commissioned into the Hamphire Regiment ended up serving with the East >> who I understood to be a volunteer regiment or irregular >> unit? >> >> >> ==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== >> Boer War Links >> http://freespace.virgin.net/anglers.rest/BoerWarLinks.htm >> >> ============================== >> Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. >> Ancestry.com <http://Ancestry.com>'s United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. >> Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >> >> > > > -- > juno@firecube.co.uk / M.J.Adderley > > > ==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== > List Admin Message > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.16/83 - Release Date: 26/08/2005 > >

Will do. The KFS were recruited from all over the country..what was your man's name? Some names are added to in the book "the colonials in South Africa"by John Stirling published in 1904. Most big libraries will have a copy. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hetta Scholtz" <hettascholtz@absamail.co.za> To: <BOER-WAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 9:35 PM Subject: RE: [BOER-WAR] Colenbrander > Thanks Pat.It helps. > Hetta > Ps If you have more information or stories about the people please send it > to me.I love history and all the little pieces that make up the big one. > My > email address hettascholtz@absamail.co.za > > -----Original Message----- > From: patfryk [mailto:patfryk@clear.net.nz] > Sent: 28 Augustus 2005 10:21 > To: BOER-WAR-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BOER-WAR] Colenbrander > > > Hetta what I have is this and it's not much. > In June 1901 the Ist KFS under Colenbrander were railed from the Cape to > the very north around Pietersberg and Louis Trichardt where they operated > until May 1902 and took several Boer Commandos They ranged from east of > Haenertsburg and west to beyond Waterberg, then on to Bechuanaland and > Rustenburg. > It doesnt help much but I think your claims date would be the accurrate > one. > Pat > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.15/81 - Release Date: 2005/08/24 > > > ==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== > Boer War Reading > http://freespace.virgin.net/anglers.rest/BoerWarReading.htm > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.16/83 - Release Date: 26/08/2005 > >

Hetta what I have is this and it's not much. In June 1901 the Ist KFS under Colenbrander were railed from the Cape to the very north around Pietersberg and Louis Trichardt where they operated until May 1902 and took several Boer Commandos They ranged from east of Haenertsburg and west to beyond Waterberg, then on to Bechuanaland and Rustenburg. It doesnt help much but I think your claims date would be the accurrate one. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "patfryk" <patfryk@clear.net.nz> To: <BOER-WAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 3:03 PM Subject: Re: [BOER-WAR] Colenbrander > Hetta give me a day or two to find the info. My grandfather was 2nd I/C to > Collenbrander and I have written up that story but have to get the file > down. > Pat > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hetta Scholtz" <hettascholtz@absamail.co.za> > To: <BOER-WAR-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 2:37 AM > Subject: [BOER-WAR] Colenbrander > > >> Hi listers, >> >> Can anyone tell me anything about col. Johann Wilhelm Colenbrander's >> column's(Kitchener's Fighting Scouts) movements round about 15 October >> 1901. >> >> I have a problem with the date of death of a great-uncle of mine . He was >> killed on the day Col Colenbrander's troops destroyed the houses on the >> Zoutpan settlement (near Ellisras/Lephalele) According to the claims for >> compensation it was the 15th of October 1901. The date on his headstone >> is >> 22nd of November 1900. I am trying to find out when Colenbrander's troops >> was in that vicinity, though I think the date on the claims form is the >> correct one, the headstone was erected a long time after the war. >> >> Thanks >> Hetta Scholtz >> -- >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.15/81 - Release Date: >> 2005/08/24 >> >> >> ==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== >> Boer War List Page >> http://freespace.virgin.net/anglers.rest/BoerWar.htm >> >> ============================== >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.16/83 - Release Date: >> 26/08/2005 >> >> > > > ==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== > Getting Started on Boer War Research? > http://freespace.virgin.net/anglers.rest/BWInfo.htm > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.16/83 - Release Date: 26/08/2005 > >

Hetta give me a day or two to find the info. My grandfather was 2nd I/C to Collenbrander and I have written up that story but have to get the file down. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hetta Scholtz" <hettascholtz@absamail.co.za> To: <BOER-WAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 2:37 AM Subject: [BOER-WAR] Colenbrander > Hi listers, > > Can anyone tell me anything about col. Johann Wilhelm Colenbrander's > column's(Kitchener's Fighting Scouts) movements round about 15 October > 1901. > > I have a problem with the date of death of a great-uncle of mine . He was > killed on the day Col Colenbrander's troops destroyed the houses on the > Zoutpan settlement (near Ellisras/Lephalele) According to the claims for > compensation it was the 15th of October 1901. The date on his headstone is > 22nd of November 1900. I am trying to find out when Colenbrander's troops > was in that vicinity, though I think the date on the claims form is the > correct one, the headstone was erected a long time after the war. > > Thanks > Hetta Scholtz > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.15/81 - Release Date: 2005/08/24 > > > ==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== > Boer War List Page > http://freespace.virgin.net/anglers.rest/BoerWar.htm > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.16/83 - Release Date: 26/08/2005 > >

Hi Margaret, I think you will get a more informed answer than mine!, What I have learned is that, Gen Roberts? required each regiment to proved a group of mounted infantry, for instance in my grandfathers case, he served at battle sites as a mounted soldier that the Manchester regiment were not listed as being present. However the bars on his medal prove that he was there. May be you are looking at a similar directive. Have you been able to find anything on the composition of the Griqualand Mounted Rifles , as an officer he may have been in charge of such a group. June On 8/28/05, MarMnkly@aol.com <MarMnkly@aol.com> wrote: > > Hello, thanks for your reply. I am hoping to find out how an officer who > was > commissioned into the Hamphire Regiment ended up serving with the East > who I understood to be a volunteer regiment or irregular > unit? > > > ==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== > Boer War Links > http://freespace.virgin.net/anglers.rest/BoerWarLinks.htm > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com <http://Ancestry.com>'s United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > -- juno@firecube.co.uk / M.J.Adderley

Thanks Pat.It helps. Hetta Ps If you have more information or stories about the people please send it to me.I love history and all the little pieces that make up the big one. My email address hettascholtz@absamail.co.za -----Original Message----- From: patfryk [mailto:patfryk@clear.net.nz] Sent: 28 Augustus 2005 10:21 To: BOER-WAR-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BOER-WAR] Colenbrander Hetta what I have is this and it's not much. In June 1901 the Ist KFS under Colenbrander were railed from the Cape to the very north around Pietersberg and Louis Trichardt where they operated until May 1902 and took several Boer Commandos They ranged from east of Haenertsburg and west to beyond Waterberg, then on to Bechuanaland and Rustenburg. It doesnt help much but I think your claims date would be the accurrate one. Pat -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.15/81 - Release Date: 2005/08/24

Hi Pat Thank you, I will wait. Hetta -----Original Message----- From: patfryk [mailto:patfryk@clear.net.nz] Sent: 28 Augustus 2005 05:03 To: BOER-WAR-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BOER-WAR] Colenbrander Hetta give me a day or two to find the info. My grandfather was 2nd I/C to Collenbrander and I have written up that story but have to get the file down. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hetta Scholtz" <hettascholtz@absamail.co.za> To: <BOER-WAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 2:37 AM Subject: [BOER-WAR] Colenbrander > Hi listers, > > Can anyone tell me anything about col. Johann Wilhelm Colenbrander's > column's(Kitchener's Fighting Scouts) movements round about 15 October > 1901. > > I have a problem with the date of death of a great-uncle of mine . He was > killed on the day Col Colenbrander's troops destroyed the houses on the > Zoutpan settlement (near Ellisras/Lephalele) According to the claims for > compensation it was the 15th of October 1901. The date on his headstone is > 22nd of November 1900. I am trying to find out when Colenbrander's troops > was in that vicinity, though I think the date on the claims form is the > correct one, the headstone was erected a long time after the war. > > Thanks > Hetta Scholtz > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.15/81 - Release Date: 2005/08/24 > > > ==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== > Boer War List Page > http://freespace.virgin.net/anglers.rest/BoerWar.htm > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.16/83 - Release Date: 26/08/2005 > > ==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== Getting Started on Boer War Research? http://freespace.virgin.net/anglers.rest/BWInfo.htm ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.15/81 - Release Date: 2005/08/24 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.15/81 - Release Date: 2005/08/24

Dear Margaret, Exactly what information are you looking for---you seem to have quite a lot already. My grandfather William Henry Massey, served in the Boer War with the Manchester Regiment as Mounted Infantry. I have his service record from Kew, and the medals and bars from the engagements he was involved in. Several books exist which will probably plot the route of the war for him, but very little personal records are available, unless he was mentioned in dispatches or diaries. Several of the members of this group are very knowledgeable, but you need to say what you are hoping to find out. Best wishes June On 8/28/05, MarMnkly@aol.com <MarMnkly@aol.com> wrote: > > My greatgrandfather Captain James William Massey, was commissioned into > the > Hampshire Regt in 1899, and served in South Africa with the East > Griqualand > Mounted Rifles. He is listed on the Cheltenham Boer War Memorial as one of > the > NCO and men [vol] belonging to Cheltenham who served in the Boer war as > follows: > Capts. W. MASSEY (E.G.M.R.), P.C. CLOWES (W.A.B.C.), Lts. A.J. BARNARD > (C.H.), D.R. CLOWES (C.M.R.), > > I have posted before, but asked for information relating to James Massey, > but believe my relative was listed by his middle name of William. Does > anyone > have any more information regarding Captain Massey during this time? > > Margaret > > > > > ==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== > List Admin Message > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com <http://Ancestry.com>'s United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > -- juno@firecube.co.uk / M.J.Adderley

Hello, thanks for your reply. I am hoping to find out how an officer who was commissioned into the Hamphire Regiment ended up serving with the East Griqualand Mounted Rifles who I understood to be a volunteer regiment or irregular unit?

My greatgrandfather Captain James William Massey, was commissioned into the Hampshire Regt in 1899, and served in South Africa with the East Griqualand Mounted Rifles. He is listed on the Cheltenham Boer War Memorial as one of the NCO and men [vol] belonging to Cheltenham who served in the Boer war as follows: Capts. W. MASSEY (E.G.M.R.), P.C. CLOWES (W.A.B.C.), Lts. A.J. BARNARD (C.H.), D.R. CLOWES (C.M.R.), I have posted before, but asked for information relating to James Massey, but believe my relative was listed by his middle name of William. Does anyone have any more information regarding Captain Massey during this time? Margaret

Hi listers, Can anyone tell me anything about col. Johann Wilhelm Colenbrander's column's(Kitchener's Fighting Scouts) movements round about 15 October 1901. I have a problem with the date of death of a great-uncle of mine . He was killed on the day Col Colenbrander's troops destroyed the houses on the Zoutpan settlement (near Ellisras/Lephalele) According to the claims for compensation it was the 15th of October 1901. The date on his headstone is 22nd of November 1900. I am trying to find out when Colenbrander's troops was in that vicinity, though I think the date on the claims form is the correct one, the headstone was erected a long time after the war. Thanks Hetta Scholtz -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.15/81 - Release Date: 2005/08/24

Hi again Margaret - 'Ville de Mons' is French for 'Town of Mons'. Mons was the scene of heavy fighting in Belgium, particularly in the early stages of WW1. The medal therefore isn't the Imperial Service Medal. I don't know what it is exactly but it sounds like one of a number of unofficial privately produced medals, possibly sanctioned by the town of Mons. Medals such as this were considered by the British government and armed forces to be souvenirs only and were not allowed to be worn in uniform. Regards, David Margret Schultz <wain10@worldnet.att.net> wrote: Hello David, My friend is quite elderly, evidently she has the wrong name. I did see the medal and it says on it Ville De Mons. Does that mean anything to you? Many thanks Margaret --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail

Hi Margaret - The Imperial Service Medal was a civilian, not a military, award. It was awarded for long service as a junior grade in the Civil Service. Regards, David Margret Schultz <wain10@worldnet.att.net> wrote:Dear Listers.. It is good to be back, moved abodes but settling in. My friend has a photograph of her father George Garrett receivimg the Imperial Service Medal- she thinks for The Battle of Mons. Is there any way she can document more of his service life? She remembers being told that he was also in China at some point, and was also told that he was in The Middlesex Regiment. Any help would be much appreciated. Margaret in rainy Harrisburg PA --------------------------------- To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre.

Thank you for the information David. Poor old dear has been wearing on a chain around her neck- what she thought was her dad's medal. He really did serve in the war, so I shall tell her it was for fighting in Belgium. She has no family so there will be no one to burst her bubble. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Humphry" <davidh9999@yahoo.co.uk> To: <BOER-WAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 5:15 AM Subject: Re: [BOER-WAR] re Imperial Service Medal > Hi again Margaret - 'Ville de Mons' is French for 'Town of Mons'. Mons was the scene of heavy fighting in Belgium, particularly in the early stages of WW1. The medal therefore isn't the Imperial Service Medal. I don't know what it is exactly but it sounds like one of a number of unofficial privately produced medals, possibly sanctioned by the town of Mons. Medals such as this were considered by the British government and armed forces to be souvenirs only and were not allowed to be worn in uniform. Regards, David > > Margret Schultz <wain10@worldnet.att.net> wrote: > Hello David, > My friend is quite elderly, evidently she has the wrong name. I did see the > medal and it says on it > Ville De Mons. > Does that mean anything to you? > Many thanks > Margaret > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail > > > ==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== > List Admin Message > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >

Hello David, My friend is quite elderly, evidently she has the wrong name. I did see the medal and it says on it Ville De Mons. Does that mean anything to you? Many thanks Margaret

Dear Listers.. It is good to be back, moved abodes but settling in. My friend has a photograph of her father George Garrett receivimg the Imperial Service Medal- she thinks for The Battle of Mons. Is there any way she can document more of his service life? She remembers being told that he was also in China at some point, and was also told that he was in The Middlesex Regiment. Any help would be much appreciated. Margaret in rainy Harrisburg PA

Dear Listers.. It is good to be back, moved abodes but settling in. My friend has a photograph of her father George Garrett receivimg the Imperial Service Medal- she thinks for The Battle of Mons. Is there any way she can document more of his service life? She remembers being told that he was also in China at some point, and was also told that he was in The Middlesex Regiment. Any help would be much appreciated. Margaret in rainy Harrisburg PA

Does anyone on the list have a copy (or access to a copy) of Forsythe's medal roll for the Dekoratie voor Trouwe Dienst (DTD), Anglo-Boereoorlogmedalje & Lint voor Wonden? _________________________________________________________________ Need software for your hardware? Click here http://www.asg.co.za

Hi Everyone out there, This is a long shot. Have you come across the name FENN-SMITH among those serving in the Anglo Boer War? Family anecdotal history strongly suggests he served but so far I have drawn a blank. As I say this is a long shot but maybe.........................!! Regards, Tony Lyons

Good morning, This web site about the QSA and the KSA medals maybe of interest to those of us who had relatives who served in the Boer war. http://www.stephen-stratford.co.uk/boer_war.htm Regards. Patrick. Perth, Western Australia.