Hi Louise I recently went down a path with my grandfather, similar to yours, but I did have his regiment etc. The main point I am e-mailing you to tell you is that, like your situation, the medals had gone missing over the years. I found out what medals and clasps he was entitled, got onto Ebay, and was able to duplictae the medals. I now have a display of 5 excellent medals and ribbons in a frame with a photo of the old bloke in his Boer War uniform. If you are interested in duplicating the medals get back to me and I will put you on the right track. I am in Australia but got them from the UK and it was well worth the trouble. About 12 pounds your money I think. Regards Bob

I also would like to know how you did this as my grandfather who fought was in the Boer War and is entitiled to medal(s) and I would be interested in obtaining them. I have his war records. Thank-you Margaret Mitchell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Jones" <bevnbob@dodo.com.au> To: <BOER-WAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 9:55 PM Subject: Re: [BOER-WAR] help > Hi Louise > I recently went down a path with my grandfather, similar to yours, but I > did have his regiment etc. The main point I am e-mailing you to tell you > is that, like your situation, the medals had gone missing over the years. > I found out what medals and clasps he was entitled, got onto Ebay, and was > able to duplictae the medals. I now have a display of 5 excellent medals > and ribbons in a frame with a photo of the old bloke in his Boer War > uniform. If you are interested in duplicating the medals get back to me > and I will put you on the right track. I am in Australia but got them > from the UK and it was well worth the trouble. About 12 pounds your > money I think. > Regards > Bob > > ==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== > List Admin Message > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > >

Hi imtrying to trace my husbands g-grandfather William Henry Saunders army records and dont really know where to start, we know he was in the boer war and was at ladysmith but his medals no longer remain with the family so i dont know what reg he was with he was born in barnstable devon in 1877 and didnt marry til 1903 also in devon, he also fought in ww1 and died in 1925,he did not give army as his job in 1903 when he got married but hawker as he was a romany gypsy, any ideas would be great many thanks Louise

Hi Mark, My e-mail has been returned as undelivered, sending it via the rootsweb. Enjoy a wonderful day, Karin. -----Original Message----- From: Karin Serfontein [mailto:kss@mweb.co.za] Sent: 11 September 2005 05:46 To: @mailhost11.mweb.co.za> Subject: RE: Fredrick E Smith Hi Mark, Thank you being so kind in answering my e-mail, I do appreciate it. My grandfather served in WW1 and died in 1916 in East Africa, I do have his papers for WW1 received from the Military Archives in Pretoria. Unfortunately nothing are mentioned regarding previous military service. I don't know if it will be possible to know what regiments fought in the Heilbron area? - maybe you can tell me. Hopefully somebody will come to my rescue, I really don't know what else to do to find him. Once again thank you so much for being so kind, it is wonderful to know that there are people out there that are willing to help. Trust that you will enjoy a wonderful evening, Regards, Karin. Your message on the Boer War List refers. You mentioned that he died in WW1. Was he serving in the military at the time? If he was in the SA Army in WW1 there should (in theory) be a file and/or record card for him at the Military Archives in Pretoria. WW1 names are easier to trace because they are filed according to surname not reg no or unit. Unfortunately many WW1 files are missing, but it is worth a try. If there arte WW1 papers for him it may provide details of previous military service, once you know which unit he was in in the Boer War then you wil have better lukc. The Military Archives personnel records are located at Ina Building, Schoeman St, Pretoria. Ph (012) 3226350. _____________________________________________________________________ For super low premiums, click here http://www.dialdirect.co.za/quote http://www.webmail.co.za the South African FREE email service

thanks john for this infomation perhaps i should write to the grenadier guards depot to see if they can help john hughes chichester sussex ----- Original Message ----- From: <CJohncronin@aol.com> To: <BOER-WAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 3:31 PM Subject: [BOER-WAR] ROBERT HUGHES >I have looked at the casualty returns for the GRENADIER GUARDS in the boer > war up to the census in 1901. The only return I can find is 4294 Sergeant > Hughes, R of the 3rd Battalion wounded on 23/11/1899 at a place called > Belmont. > Whether he is your man or not I do not know. I do not have the medal > roll > for the guards so cannot check that. It could also be that he was reduced > to > private on becoming a casualty. I do not have much experience of the > guards > and am told that they did things their own way while the Army did it > another. > > Good hunting > > John > > JOHN CRONIN > CHRISTCHURCH > DORSET > > > ==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== > List Admin Message > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > >

Dear John, As you are in the UK you could try the NATIONAL ARCHIVES at Kew for his records but you have to go there or send someone as they will not search for you. As a long shot you could try the GUARDS MUSEUM but I doubt if they hold information on individuals. Their address can be found by the use of Google. You could try a letter to them, but remember to include a donation and a SAE. All the best John JOHN CRONIN CHRISTCHURCH DORSET

Nesbitt's Horse (about 300 strong) was formed in the eastern Cape Colony by Colonel R A Nesbitt in December 1899. They took part in the advance from Bloemfontein to Pretoria, then in the second (guerrilla) phase of the war were in the Cape Colony. From "The Colonials in South Africa" by John Stirling (c1907, Edinburgh) pages 175-178. If he was in Nesbitt's Horse, was he in the Cape Colony before the war and joined up there? Yours, John Wilson (New Zealand) > He told me stories as a young child and I seem to remember > that he was part of Nesbitt's Horse.

Hello list. I have just joined this list in the hope that someone can help me regarding the above ancester ROBERT HUGHES.circa 1876. I have traced him and found him in the 1901 census as follows....... London St John, St Margaret and Westminster district station hospital Rochester row London. ROBERT HUGHES/ PATIENT/ 25YEARS OLD/PRIVATE/ GRENADIER GUARDS/BORN BROUGHTON DENBIGHSHIRE WALES. I would like to get more details of his service etc I am assuming that this hospital is a military hospital as all the other patients were service men in different guards units and I think that at census time which was March 1902 the Boar war was going on and he must have got his injuries/ ailments from service there. Can any lister with more knowledge on the subject advise me where do I go from here? regarding medals if any and his army number etc and service. Regards John Hughes Chichester UK.

I have looked at the casualty returns for the GRENADIER GUARDS in the boer war up to the census in 1901. The only return I can find is 4294 Sergeant Hughes, R of the 3rd Battalion wounded on 23/11/1899 at a place called Belmont. Whether he is your man or not I do not know. I do not have the medal roll for the guards so cannot check that. It could also be that he was reduced to private on becoming a casualty. I do not have much experience of the guards and am told that they did things their own way while the Army did it another. Good hunting John JOHN CRONIN CHRISTCHURCH DORSET

David and John, thank you very much for looking up this information for me on William Low... it helps greatly in tracking the life of relatives from the past. Each piece of information you both sent was helpful and appreciated. Cheers Brian Low B.C. Canada

Good morning to you all, I am a resident of SA with a grandfather named Frederick Ernest Smith who served in the Boer War. I have no information on him, I only know his name, his father was Alfred and his mother was Annie. Frederick Ernest Smith was born in Durban, I do believe that his family lived in SA during the years 1880/1890, Natal and the Cape were British Colonies during those years. It is possible that his father was stationed here with an army regiment and that the family lived here for a period of time. With the help of a researcher in England who came up with a Frederick Ernest Smith, I have done research on this man for nine years. Unfortunately I received a letter from a relative saying that her uncle died in 1904, I was doing research on the wrong man. My grandfather died in WW1 in 1916, he married my grandmother in 1911 in Johannesburg. Frederick met my grandmother in the Heilbron area in the Free State while the British soldiers raged the farms. Please if you can help me it will be much appreciated, Karin Serfontein nee Smith, South Africa

Hi Brian - The Imperial Yeomanry Roll shows 44054 Private William N. Low of the 177th Company, 31st Battalion as entitled to the Queen's South Africa Medal with clasps Cape Colony & South Africa 1902. 'Coy' = Company. Most companies had a geographical/county name and the 177th was one of the Irish Horse companies. Several companies (usually 4-6) formed a battalion. Although I don't know exactly when the 177th arrived in SA, several IY units landed at Cape Town only a few days before the end of the war on 31/5/1902. This was enough to qualify for the medal with these two clasps and I suspect the 177th was one of these. These units will not have seen any action although they stayed on to serve as garrison troops in SA after the war. The medal roll was signed at Deelfontein on 11/11/1902 so the 177th must have been in SA for some time after the end of the war. The naming details on the medal tally with the above information but the service number should be shown first, not last as you indicate. # His papers are available at the National Archives (formerly PRO) at Kew under series W0 128. Typically these consist of 4 pages of personal and general service details. This series is not available online so you may wish to get a researcher to obtain copies for you. Unfortunately I can't help you with James and George Low. The names are not uncommon and without knowing the regiment/unit they were in it's impossible to know where to start looking. Regards, David Ian Low <brian-joan@awink.com> wrote: I am again in search of Boer War information. This time on Pte W. N. Low who served in the Boer War with the 177th Coy IMPYEO 44054. I would be pleased if someone could tell me something about my grandfather's brother and where this unit may have served. If someone could tell me if I am right in assuming the shortened words are Imperial Yeomanry and his service number.... but what would the "177th Coy" mean? I really appreciated the information I received on John Low another brother who served and died in the Boer War. On speculation, as I am trying to find out how many of my grandfather's brothers served in this war.... if someone could look up for a James Low and a George Low that would be excellent and appreciated.. Thank you Brian Low B.C., Canada > He has a Boer war medal. It is apparently black & says Pte W N > Low 177th Coy IMPYEO 44054. --------------------------------- How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos. Get Yahoo! Photos

Dear Brian, No. 44054 Trooper W.N. Low served in the 177 Company 31 Battalion Imperial Yeomanry. He is entitled to the Queens S.A. medal with the two bars Cape Colony and South Africa 1902. He was part of the 3rd contingent of the IY most of whom did not arrive until after peace was signed. The 27th to 32nd coys arrived at the Cape just before peace was signed on 31 May so it is unlikely that he saw any action. Ref THE ROLL OF THE IMPERIAL YEOMANRY, SCOTTISH HORSE, & LOVAT SCOUTS 1899-1902 By Kevin Asplin. Cheers John Cronin JOHN CRONIN CHRISTCHURCH DORSET

I am again in search of Boer War information. This time on Pte W. N. Low who served in the Boer War with the 177th Coy IMPYEO 44054. I would be pleased if someone could tell me something about my grandfather's brother and where this unit may have served. If someone could tell me if I am right in assuming the shortened words are Imperial Yeomanry and his service number.... but what would the "177th Coy" mean? I really appreciated the information I received on John Low another brother who served and died in the Boer War. On speculation, as I am trying to find out how many of my grandfather's brothers served in this war.... if someone could look up for a James Low and a George Low that would be excellent and appreciated.. Thank you Brian Low B.C., Canada > He has a Boer war medal. It is apparently black & says Pte W N > Low 177th Coy IMPYEO 44054.

Dear Sir / Madam I am searching for information on my late grandfather who participated in the Boer war. He told me stories as a young child and I seem to remember that he was part of Nesbitt's Horse. However it might have been my imagination,. I have no records or medals. He told me he fought to keep a railway line open in the Free State. His used an English version of his name and was probably enlisted as : JOHN FANNER born 4/11/1881 in the Alexandria district near Sandflats. He was employed in the Post Office at the time of enlisting and rejoined after the war. His full names were JOHANNES WILLEM JAKOBUS FANNER. Thank you Ron Kelly P.O.Box 7 KENTON ON SEA. 6191 SOUTH AFRICA Mobile: +27 824507771 Phone: +27 64 81 393 Fax: +27 0800 64 82545

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unsubscribe I have been feeling unwell for nearly a year now - just feeling generally washed ou. I have decided to unsubscribe from ny lists for a bit. Many thanks to everyone who has posted - both things directly relevant to my research but also all those pieces of info which have done so much to fill in the background. I hope to be back in a while. Best wishes Robin Wainwright - Bristol UK

Lieut. Massey could also have taken his discharge in South Africa and then joined the East Griqualand Mounted Rifles. This was quite common. If he was an officer in a Militia or Volunteer battalion of the Hampshires his period of service might have ended after, say, eighteen months. He was then free to stay on in South Africa if he wanted to and join a regiment of his choice. Many volunteers in this position joined the South African Constabulary or the Imperial Light Horse. Massey may have had his own reasons for joining the EGMR. Often a girl was involved. Sometimes a farm. And East Griqualand is great farming country, I know because I come from there.

As anyone information on the forming and actions of the 5th Mounted Infantry? Many thanks in anticipation of any help Terry Evans

Hi - It wasn't unusual for regular officers in British regiments to be seconded to locally raised South African units, especially newly formed units, in the Boer War. The idea was to provide the new units with trained and experienced officers. Regards, David MarMnkly@aol.com wrote:Hello, thanks for your reply. I am hoping to find out how an officer who was commissioned into the Hamphire Regiment ended up serving with the East Griqualand Mounted Rifles who I understood to be a volunteer regiment or irregular unit? ==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== Boer War Links http://freespace.virgin.net/anglers.rest/BoerWarLinks.htm ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail