Hello from New Zealand, I have searched for a death for FREDERICK THOMAS DAVIES born 1883 London he is on the 1891 census but seemed to have disappeared from then on ,is their anyone that can help me? as I have a feeling the age he was he could have gone to war Many thanks Eileen

Hi everyone When I last wrote to this list, I was under the impression that my Great Granny's brother, Thomas Hall, was killed in the Boer War, as this is the story that was passed down to me. It now seems that this is incorrect, and that he may have been injured, rather than killed. He appears on the 1901 census as a Bugler in the Kings Shropshire Light Infantry, at "Depot Kings Shropshire Light Infantry, St. Chad, Shropshire", but I can't find him on the 1891 census. He was born c. 1865 in Huntington, Hereford, son of Henry Hall & Sarah Olive Watts. Is anyone able to help me find out a bit more about him, please? Any & all help gratefully received. Many TIA Heather in Perth, W Australia

Brian, Some of it is on the net in a limited form. All the regular Cavalry, The Imperial yeomanry, and three infantry regiments. As for the rest only casualties are named and they are not on the net. If you have a name I have the published editions of what is on the net but with more detail plus all casualties which include all regiments and corps. I will do a look up of my material for you including what is published on the net if you wish. No charge. The lists on the net were researched and compiled by Kevin Asplin. Kevin's site is below _http://hometown.aol.co.uk/KevinAsplin/home.html_ (http://hometown.aol.co.uk/KevinAsplin/home.html) Cheers John JOHN CRONIN CHRISTCHURCH DORSET UK NOLITE ME CULPARE-SUFFRAGATUS SUM ERAE PORCELLAE

Hi to all , I am trying to find out a soldier a 2468 Pte H. Vallis ,14 th Hussars, who is listed on the QSAM Medal roll .BOER WAR of 1899 /1902. and then seems to have disappeared ,and may have died and subsequently be located on the Casualty Lists for the same war ? Would any one with a copy of the Casualty Lists , Could you please do for me a look up . Thank you Have a nice day. Bill In Weymouth .N.Z.

Dear Eileen, There is no F T DAVIES on the casualty roll for the Boer War. JOHN CRONIN CHRISTCHURCH DORSET UK NOLITE ME CULPARE-SUFFRAGATUS SUM ERAE PORCELLAE

Hello Eileen, Took an interest when I saw the name DAVIES. I have 1st cousins by that name from Liverpool and Shropshire. Other family names are STEWART, THOMAS, & MCGEE/MAGEE/MCKEE. We had a FREDRICK THOMAS DAVIES who was my father's first cousin. Would like to hear from you if something sounds familiar. Thanks, Joan Stewart Lyons, Rhode Island, USA On Nov 18, 2005, at 3:47 PM, Ron & Eileen Chapman wrote: > Hello from New Zealand, > I have searched for a death for FREDERICK THOMAS DAVIES born 1883 > London he is on the 1891 census but seemed to have disappeared from > then on ,is their anyone that can help me? as I have a feeling the age > he was he could have gone to war > Many thanks > Eileen > > > ==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== > Boer War Reading > http://freespace.virgin.net/anglers.rest/BoerWarReading.htm > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

Dear Bill, H.Vallis does not appear on the casualty rolls as either killed or wounded between 1899 and 1902. I also have the recent book called IN MEMORIAM which lists all British Army Killed or died between 1899 and 1913 while serving in S. Africa. He is not in that. I hope that the above is of some help. Good hunting John JOHN CRONIN CHRISTCHURCH DORSET UK NOLITE ME CULPARE-SUFFRAGATUS SUM ERAE PORCELLAE

Hello all, I am new to the Boer War list and am hoping that someone can give me some advice to help me in the search for my maternal grandfather, Thomas RALPH. I know very little about his early life. My earliest definite source for him is his first marriage in Liverpool in 1899. My elderly uncle remembered that his father had served in both the Boer War and First World War. As I live in Canada, I paid 2 different and reputable researchers to look for medal roll entries and service papers for him in both these conflicts. The first researcher, Chris Baker, located the medal card for a Pvt. Thomas Ralph, no. 8464, of the Kings Liverpool Regiment in France from 1915. No service records could be found, however. The second researcher, Jonathan Collins, located entries on the QSA Medal Roll for Pvt. Thomas Ralph, no. 2832 in the 4th (Militia) Battalion, The Liverpool Regiment. He was awarded the medal with bars for Cape Colony, Transvaal and South Africa 1902. Jonathan then went on to search WO97/5739 & 6354 (Regular Army 1900 to 1913 discharge) and WO96/194 (Militia Service Records Liverpool Regt 1880 to 1908). Once again, no service papers could be found. I realize that the records of many solders who served in both the Boer War and WW1 were stored together, and that 60% of these were destoyed during the bombing in WW2. My question is: are there anything other wartime records in the National Archives or elsewhere that might provide me with some simple biographical information such as a date or place of birth? I'm thinking maybe pension records? Were all of these soldiers entitled to an army pension or other benefits after demobilization? I have been unable to trace either Thomas or his father, (also named Thomas - a coachbuilder) prior to 1899 in any of the censuses. I have an approximate birthdate of 1881, based on marriage and death certificates. The same elderly uncle who remembered his father serving in the army also thinks he was brought up "in care." From what I can tell, he lived his whole life in Liverpool - or at least from 1899 until he died in 1953. I apologize for the length of this message! Thanks for your patience, and I appreciate any and all suggestions on how to break through this brickwall. Karen in Ontario _________________________________________________________________ MSN® Calendar keeps you organized and takes the effort out of scheduling get-togethers. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*.

I have a relative Frederick William Campbell who is shown as a 23 year old corporal in the Royal Horse Artillery at Woolwich in the 1891 census. Between 1895 and March1900 (resigned) he was a Metropolitan Policeman, and by the 1901 census was then (still in Woolwich) as a corporal in the Army once again. Is there a way to find out whether this man was ever sent out to South Africa and took part in the Boer War at this time. cheers Bob

Maggie, Have you tried accessing the National Archives to see if anyone with the Barron surname received a medal during WW1? Andy

David, Thank you so much! This would definitely be him as he did live in Boyndie at the time of his marriage in 1905 and he had a brother named John R. Barron (their mother's maiden name was Reid). I so far hadn't been able to find anything on him. Thanks again! Maggie Barron Ottawa, Ontario, Canada >>> david_mcnay@blueyonder.co.uk 11/03/05 01:44AM >>> From "A List of Soldiers of Banffshire in South Africa", there are two entries, one of Bombardier A Barron, Boyndie (I presume this is the town he is from) and his brother: Gunner John Reid Barron, also from Boyndie. They were both serving in the 53rd Battery, Royal Field Artillery. Is this your man? This is unfortunately all the information the book has. Regards, David McNay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maggie Barron" <Maggie.Barron@cas-satj.gc.ca> To: <BOER-WAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 5:34 PM Subject: [BOER-WAR] Scottish Ancester who fought in Boer War > How would I find out and most importantly is there a website which lists > soldiers who fought in the Boer War who were Scottish? My > great-Grandfather, Alexander Walker BARRON was born in Banffshire, > Scotland in 1873 and fought in the Boer War...I don't know much about > this war, so please excuse what may seem like stupid questions, would he > have fought with the British? > > Thanks! > Maggie Barron > rothycat@hotmail.com > > > ==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== > Boer War List Page > http://freespace.virgin.net/anglers.rest/BoerWar.htm > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > ==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== Getting Started on Boer War Research? http://freespace.virgin.net/anglers.rest/BWInfo.htm ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429

From "A List of Soldiers of Banffshire in South Africa", there are two entries, one of Bombardier A Barron, Boyndie (I presume this is the town he is from) and his brother: Gunner John Reid Barron, also from Boyndie. They were both serving in the 53rd Battery, Royal Field Artillery. Is this your man? This is unfortunately all the information the book has. Regards, David McNay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maggie Barron" <Maggie.Barron@cas-satj.gc.ca> To: <BOER-WAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 5:34 PM Subject: [BOER-WAR] Scottish Ancester who fought in Boer War > How would I find out and most importantly is there a website which lists > soldiers who fought in the Boer War who were Scottish? My > great-Grandfather, Alexander Walker BARRON was born in Banffshire, > Scotland in 1873 and fought in the Boer War...I don't know much about > this war, so please excuse what may seem like stupid questions, would he > have fought with the British? > > Thanks! > Maggie Barron > rothycat@hotmail.com > > > ==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== > Boer War List Page > http://freespace.virgin.net/anglers.rest/BoerWar.htm > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Hi Maggie: The Scottish & Irish had quite a few regiments in the British Army of the time, so he would have been in the British Army (Ireland was not Independent until c1922). There were some Irishmen fighting with the Boers, but no Scots as far as I know. See "Scots at War" website (if it still works?), but there are no websites of lists of Scottish soldiers that I know of. Did your ggf also fight in WWI? http://www-saw.arts.ed.ac.uk/ Or via Scotland's People: http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/content/help/index.aspx?r=551&965 Yours, John Wilson (New Zealand) > How would I find out and most importantly is there a website which lists > soldiers who fought in the Boer War who were Scottish? My > great-Grandfather, Alexander Walker BARRON was born in Banffshire, > Scotland in 1873 and fought in the Boer War...I don't know much about > this war, so please excuse what may seem like stupid questions, would > he have fought with the British? >

How would I find out and most importantly is there a website which lists soldiers who fought in the Boer War who were Scottish? My great-Grandfather, Alexander Walker BARRON was born in Banffshire, Scotland in 1873 and fought in the Boer War...I don't know much about this war, so please excuse what may seem like stupid questions, would he have fought with the British? Thanks! Maggie Barron rothycat@hotmail.com

In March 1901 Lord Kitchener introduced a scorched earth policy which led to the destruction of about 30000 Boer farmhouses and the partial and complete destruction of more than forty towns. Thousands of women and children were removed from their homes by force.They had little or no time to remove valuables before the house was burnt down. They were then taken by oxwagon or in open cattle trucks to any one of the infamous concentration camps where in total 25,000 Boer civilians and 14,000 natives died. Extracts from http://www.awm.gov.au/wartime/21/article.asp Australian troops were deployed in sweeping the countryside and enforcing the British policy of cutting the Boer guerrillas off from the support of their farms and families. This meant the destruction of Boer farms, (Typical forms of destruction were the burning of Boer farms and the slaughtering of their animals (whole brigades of soldiers sometimes paused for a day to cut the throats of local sheep) and the dynamiting of entire rural towns), the confiscation of horses, cattle and wagons and the rounding up of the inhabitants, usually women and children. These civilian captives were taken to concentration camps where, weakened by malnutrition, thousands died of contagious diseases. "I hate the whole business," wrote Major Hubert Murray from Sydney. But even those who hated it usually thought it was just, or at least justifiable. "It seems a cruel thing to ride up to a farmhouse and give the inmates, always women and children, ten minutes to clear out what personal effects they can get together and then to set fire to the place," wrote another officer from Sydney, "but when their husbands and brothers are up on the hills behind sniping at us, what else can you expect?" In any case, most soldiers enjoyed looting and burning. "The best part of this game is sacking the houses," confessed Lieutenant Douglas Rich from Queensland, " although we poor devils of officers don't get much of the fun as in most cases it is forbidden and we have to keep the men back." David Sheldon Brisbane -----Original Message----- From: BOER-WAR-L-request@rootsweb.com [mailto:BOER-WAR-L-request@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Sidney Allinson Sent: Monday, 31 October 2005 3:28 AM To: BOER-WAR-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BOER-WAR] Australian's Burning Boer Farms ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony Bigelow" <anthonybigelow@hotmail.com> To: <BOER-WAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 3:39 AM Subject: [BOER-WAR] Australian's Burning Boer Farms > Hello, > > Can anyone identify the source to a reference in Wallace's book, from > Australian trooper Hiram Preston Thompson, of Australians burning boer > farms? > Regards, Anthony. The several thousand Australian volunteers serving in the ABW were involved in all aspects of British army anti-guerilla operations, including the burning of Boer farms. - Sidney. www.xlibris.com/krugersgold.html ==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== Boer War Links http://freespace.virgin.net/anglers.rest/BoerWarLinks.htm ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx ************************************************************************************************* "This e-mail and its attachments are intended for the named addressee only and no liability is accepted for use or reliance on any part of this e-mail by any other person. It is confidential, may be subject to privilege and is also subject to copyright. No part of it should be reproduced, adapted or communicated without the written consent of the copyright owner. Any confidentiality or privilege is not waived or lost because this e-mail has been received by you and you are not the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please let us know by reply e-mail. Please note that e-mails can be interfered with, can contain computer viruses or other defects and may not be successfully replicated on other systems. This footnote confirms that this e-mail message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. However whilst the sender has taken reasonable precautions to minimise the risk of this email and any attachment containing viruses, we cannot accept liability for any such viruses and we give no warranties in relation to any of the above matters. If you have any doubts about the authenticity of this e-mail please contact the sender immediately. No responsibility is accepted for any changes made to a document other than those made by the sender."

Hello David, Thats great thank you, and that will give me something to work on. Regards, Anthony >From: David Sheldon <David.Sheldon@poports.com.au> >Reply-To: BOER-WAR-L@rootsweb.com >To: BOER-WAR-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: RE: [BOER-WAR] Australian's Burning Boer Farms >Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 11:51:27 +1100 > >In March 1901 Lord Kitchener introduced a scorched earth policy which led >to >the destruction of about 30000 Boer farmhouses and the partial and complete >destruction of more than forty towns. Thousands of women and children were >removed from their homes by force.They had little or no time to remove >valuables before the house was burnt down. They were then taken by oxwagon >or in open cattle trucks to any one of the infamous concentration camps >where in total 25,000 Boer civilians and 14,000 natives died. > >Extracts from http://www.awm.gov.au/wartime/21/article.asp > >Australian troops were deployed in sweeping the countryside and enforcing >the British policy of cutting the Boer guerrillas off from the support of >their farms and families. This meant the destruction of Boer farms, >(Typical >forms of destruction were the burning of Boer farms and the slaughtering of >their animals (whole brigades of soldiers sometimes paused for a day to cut >the throats of local sheep) and the dynamiting of entire rural towns), the >confiscation of horses, cattle and wagons and the rounding up of the >inhabitants, usually women and children. These civilian captives were taken >to concentration camps where, weakened by malnutrition, thousands died of >contagious diseases. > >"I hate the whole business," wrote Major Hubert Murray from Sydney. But >even >those who hated it usually thought it was just, or at least justifiable. >"It >seems a cruel thing to ride up to a farmhouse and give the inmates, always >women and children, ten minutes to clear out what personal effects they can >get together and then to set fire to the place," wrote another officer from >Sydney, "but when their husbands and brothers are up on the hills behind >sniping at us, what else can you expect?" In any case, most soldiers >enjoyed >looting and burning. "The best part of this game is sacking the houses," >confessed Lieutenant Douglas Rich from Queensland, " although we poor >devils >of officers don't get much of the fun as in most cases it is forbidden and >we have to keep the men back." > >David Sheldon >Brisbane > >-----Original Message----- >From: BOER-WAR-L-request@rootsweb.com >[mailto:BOER-WAR-L-request@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Sidney Allinson >Sent: Monday, 31 October 2005 3:28 AM >To: BOER-WAR-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [BOER-WAR] Australian's Burning Boer Farms > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Anthony Bigelow" <anthonybigelow@hotmail.com> >To: <BOER-WAR-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 3:39 AM >Subject: [BOER-WAR] Australian's Burning Boer Farms > > > > Hello, > > > > Can anyone identify the source to a reference in Wallace's book, from > > Australian trooper Hiram Preston Thompson, of Australians burning boer > > farms? > > Regards, Anthony. > >The several thousand Australian volunteers serving in the ABW were >involved in all aspects of British army anti-guerilla operations, including >the burning of Boer farms. >- Sidney. > >www.xlibris.com/krugersgold.html > > > > >==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== >Boer War Links >http://freespace.virgin.net/anglers.rest/BoerWarLinks.htm > >============================== >Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. >Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. 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Hi Pat: For the British Cavalry & Imperial Yeomanry in the Boer War, see Kevin Asplin's site: http://hometown.aol.co.uk/KevinAsplin/home.html For British WWI soldiers the Medal Rolls in National Archives: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/browse-refine.asp?CatID=1 0&searchType=browserefine&pagenumber=1&query=*&queryType=1 or to National Archives; Military History: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/militaryhistory/?homelink=main_military Yours, John Wilson > We have been trying to trace a couple of brothers of my husband's maternal > grandmother. We have recently discovered that they had enlisted in the > army. According to family legend one or both may have fought in the Boer > War. I had a quick look at some of the sites regarding regimental > histories. While the overall histories are interesting, are there any lists > giving the names of the enlisted men? Even partial lists? These young men > would have been serving in the early 1900's and were living in the > Wandsworth, Lambeth areas around the time they would have enlisted. I do > understand that some records were destroyed during the blitz. > > Here in Canada we can access a site on the internet called 'Soldiers of the > First World War' http://www.collectionscanada.ca/archivianet/020106_e.html > that lists all the Canadian soldiers that fought, not just the ones that > died. Any possibility that such a site is being developed for Great > Britain?

The Western Front Association, page down on News for the Great War Medal Index Cards (avaliable sometime perhaps?): http://www.westernfrontassociation.com/news/ Yours, John Wilson > A card index of WW1 was recently saved from being dumped and will soon > be available on line.I have seen it advertised but I'll have to go looking > where. But I reckon any UK site will have that info. there was such a big > gefuffle about the horror of dumping the stuff!

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A card index of WW1 was recently saved from being dumped and will soon be available on line.I have seen it advertised but I'll have to go looking where. But I reckon any UK site will have that info. there was such a big gefuffle about the horror of dumping the stuff! Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patricia Copeland" <pjcgimili@cogeco.ca> To: <BOER-WAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 8:42 AM Subject: [BOER-WAR] Names of enlisted men? > We have been trying to trace a couple of brothers of my husband's maternal > grandmother. We have recently discovered that they had enlisted in the > army. According to family legend one or both may have fought in the Boer > War. I had a quick look at some of the sites regarding regimental > histories. While the overall histories are interesting, are there any > lists > giving the names of the enlisted men? Even partial lists? These young > men > would have been serving in the early 1900's and were living in the > Wandsworth, Lambeth areas around the time they would have enlisted. I do > understand that some records were destroyed during the blitz. > > Here in Canada we can access a site on the internet called 'Soldiers of > the > First World War' http://www.collectionscanada.ca/archivianet/020106_e.html > that lists all the Canadian soldiers that fought, not just the ones that > died. Any possibility that such a site is being developed for Great > Britain? > > Best wishes, > > Pat > > > > ==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== > Getting Started on Boer War Research? > http://freespace.virgin.net/anglers.rest/BWInfo.htm > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.6/151 - Release Date: 28/10/2005 > >