Would also like to know more about the SAC which my husband's grandfather was a member of. Hired a researcher to find his records (which were listed on NARA website) but actual record could not be found in the Archives. Barbara suburb of Albany, NY ----- Original Message ----- From: "E Lenzen" <elenzen@telus.net> To: <BOER-WAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 6:27 PM Subject: [BOER-WAR] Seeking information of South African Constabulary > I wish to learn more about the SAC in the Boer War. Can anyone suggest some > sources or reading on the subject. I have found 2 chapters written by > Baden-Powell from his "Lessons from the Varsity of Life" that was written > about the SAC but would like to know more about the role and experience of > the SAC. My grandfather served 3 years (1 May 1901-1904) in the SAC and > although I have received a copy of his service file from South Africa there > is not much I can glean from it. He did have the Queens South Africa medal > with 5 clasps: Cape Colony, Orange Free State, Transvaal, South Africa > 1901, and South Africa 1902 so I assume he would have moved around quite a > bit in that 3 years and would have been involved in hostilities and later > the civil police role. Thank you. > > > > Edie "on the rox" > > > > > > ==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== > Boer War Links > http://freespace.virgin.net/anglers.rest/BoerWarLinks.htm > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

I wish to learn more about the SAC in the Boer War. Can anyone suggest some sources or reading on the subject. I have found 2 chapters written by Baden-Powell from his "Lessons from the Varsity of Life" that was written about the SAC but would like to know more about the role and experience of the SAC. My grandfather served 3 years (1 May 1901-1904) in the SAC and although I have received a copy of his service file from South Africa there is not much I can glean from it. He did have the Queens South Africa medal with 5 clasps: Cape Colony, Orange Free State, Transvaal, South Africa 1901, and South Africa 1902 so I assume he would have moved around quite a bit in that 3 years and would have been involved in hostilities and later the civil police role. Thank you. Edie "on the rox"

There is no A Rose listed as killed in the Boer war. There are two C. Rose and one C E Rose listed as being killed. CAPTAIN CE ROSE AGE 27 WAS KILLED IN ACTION AT WINBERG DISTRICT,WELKOM FARM ON 4 MAY 1900. HE WAS IN THE ROYAL HORSE GUARDS. Source IN MEMORIAM by Steve Watt. I would imagine from that information that he was a career soldier from a well to do family and had not just joined up for the war. I can let you have the information from the same source for the two C. Rose if you feel that he might be one of them. Let me know. Good hunting John JOHN CRONIN CHRISTCHURCH DORSET UK NOLITE ME CULPARE-SUFFRAGATUS SUM ERAE PORCELLAE

Hi Folks: This is my first time of submission to your list as I did not know that it was available until earlier today. Here is my situation. My Grandfather Harry Robert ROSE had enlisted and fought in the South African Boer War. Upon returning to England he subsequently married and eventually emigrated to Toronto Canada. Apparently he never really talked about his time in South Africa and all that I have right now in a picture of him in a broad brimmed hat, turned up on one side. He did not show up on the 1901 census in England at all. And now the question. Two brothers Charles Edward ROSE and Albert ROSE the former older and the latter younger do not appear on the 1901 census either. Albert appears on the 1891 census but Charles does not. What I am considering is whether in fact the two brothers also had enlisted and perhaps never returned as I do not find their names in the Free BMD for either marriage or death. If they had indeed died in service that could be sufficient reason for my grandfather to not want to talk about The Boer War at all. I know it is possible that they returned after the war ended but because we do not have ready access to any specific records after 1901, it is difficult to determine their whereabouts. I am aware that there was one or perhaps two Charles E, ROSE's listed as dying I believe, one an officer and the second no rank listed. Unfortunately no details were found before this time. The family originated in Petworth West Sussex with two other brothers moving to the Reigate area of Surrey. Parents were William & Ellen . Any and all help will be greatly appreciated. Rev. Harry S. Rose 533 Hurry Ave NW CRANBROOK BC V1C 4C2

Harry Join the Boer War mailing list. They are very hepful and know where info is kept. List is _BOER-WAR-L@rootsweb.com_ (mailto:BOER-WAR-L@rootsweb.com) Brian Snaith Yoxall, Staffs

Hello all! Does anyone have any information relating to when the Royal Horse Artillery would have travelled to South Africa and where they would have served during the Boer War (1899-1902). My grandfather, John William Danskin, was a Sergeant at the end of the Second Boer War and had received four medals - although I don't know what they were or what they were for. I would be most grateful for any and all assistance..... Sue in Canada. ---------------------------------------- Upgrade your account today for increased storage; mail forwarding or POP enabled e-mail with automatic virus scanning. Visit http://www.canada.com/email/premiumservices.html for more information.

Hi Annette: The book on the Scottish Horse (1st & 2nd), raised by the Marquis of Tullibardine is: "Southern Cross Scots" J.E. Price (1992). Most of the 53 New Zealanders who joined were domiciled in Australia and joined there. You will find him (No 35410) on Colin Roe's Oz-Boer Website: http://www.pcug.org.au/%7Ecroe/ozb/oz_boer.cgi The 2nd Scottish Horse could not officially sign men up in Australia, so had to wait until the ship had left Australian waters. I think they were in the same ship as an official Australian Contingent, so there was some rivalry. Yours, John Wilson > Hi everyone, I have just received information that one of my husband's > relatives was involved in the Boer War. > Is it possible to find more information re his time in SA? > > He, Hugh EGAN was born in Australia in 1872, according to his enlistment > papers for the Australian Infantry > Forces in 1916 (Brisbane) he had been in the 1st Scottish Horse for 7 > months and was Foreman Military Service > on Railway Natal for 6 months. > > He married in New Zealand in 1905, I have been unable to find any record of > him listed in Australian Boer War Servicemen. >

Hi John, thankyou so much for this information, we have only just recently found out he was in the Boer War, so this is wonderful, he has been a bit of mystery person, we knew about his childhood, 2 marriages and his death date, so this is extra, thankyou so much, happy hunting Annette At 10:18 PM 20/11/2005 -0500, you wrote: >Annette, >Some more information about 1st Scottish Horse and what Trooper Egan >probably did. The S.H. was not just recruited from Scots in S. Africa, I >failed to >read on. Using the Highland Association and Caledonian Association they >recruited later from Australia, Canada, and UK. They were well thought >of by >regular officers. They were employed against the boers in the East and West >Transvaal as irregular mounted infantry. Some times they patrolled alone, >other >times with regular and other irregular MI and regular infantry. > >Given the short period he was with the Natal railways I think he went to >that job from the SH. The war was over by May 31st 1902 which gives him six >months. I cannot prove that but offer it as a possibility. > >Cheers > >John >JOHN CRONIN CHRISTCHURCH DORSET UK > >NOLITE ME CULPARE-SUFFRAGATUS SUM ERAE PORCELLAE > > >==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== >List Admin Message >http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > >============================== >Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for >ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx

HI There My Great Grandmother had 2 brothers who both went off to the Boer War Harry Moorcroft I believe was invalided home, later moving to USA. (Still trying to find him), the other William Gustavus Moorcroft, was not heard from again. Was he killed or did he saty after the way. Would they have got any Medals???? Regards Michael

Hi John Many thanks for you helpful information and the look up in the casualty list, the information you have supplied me , with reference to Gunner T ..Hudson RFA.. I will try the W.O. sounds a good idea. Thank you again for the Information on H.Vallis and T.Hudson . Regards Bill In Weymouth N.Z.

Hi everyone, I have just received information that one of my husband's relatives was involved in the Boer War. Is it possible to find more information re his time in SA? He, Hugh EGAN was born in Australia in 1872, according to his enlistment papers for the Australian Infantry Forces in 1916 (Brisbane) he had been in the 1st Scottish Horse for 7 months and was Foreman Military Service on Railway Natal for 6 months. He married in New Zealand in 1905, I have been unable to find any record of him listed in Australian Boer War Servicemen. Many thanks and happy hunting Annette WATSON Lismore Australia

Annette, Some more information about 1st Scottish Horse and what Trooper Egan probably did. The S.H. was not just recruited from Scots in S. Africa, I failed to read on. Using the Highland Association and Caledonian Association they recruited later from Australia, Canada, and UK. They were well thought of by regular officers. They were employed against the boers in the East and West Transvaal as irregular mounted infantry. Some times they patrolled alone, other times with regular and other irregular MI and regular infantry. Given the short period he was with the Natal railways I think he went to that job from the SH. The war was over by May 31st 1902 which gives him six months. I cannot prove that but offer it as a possibility. Cheers John JOHN CRONIN CHRISTCHURCH DORSET UK NOLITE ME CULPARE-SUFFRAGATUS SUM ERAE PORCELLAE

Dear Annette, From the medal roll of Ist regiment of Scottish Horse, 35410 TROOPER HUGH EGAN, QSA WITH THE BARS TRANSVAAL, and 1901. He was discharged 18/12/1901. No reason for discharge given. The two regiments of Scottish horse were raised in S. Africa in 1900 from Scotsmen already in the country or those of Scots parentage. This may be why you cannot find him listed amongst Australian troops. Hope that helps. If you have anymore questions on the subject please contact me off list. Cheers John JOHN CRONIN CHRISTCHURCH DORSET UK NOLITE ME CULPARE-SUFFRAGATUS SUM ERAE PORCELLAE

Dear Bill, Glad that you got the email. I could not remember if it was Australia or New Zealand that you lived in. The WAR OFFICE today called the Ministry of Defence (Army) John JOHN CRONIN CHRISTCHURCH DORSET UK NOLITE ME CULPARE-SUFFRAGATUS SUM ERAE PORCELLAE

Dear John. Many thanks for your kindness in the look up for H Vallis for me. John could you do one more look up for me please.. On a Gunner Thomas.Hudson 8th RFA. also John would ,say the above appear on the Casualty roll ,could he also appear on the Medal roll., would they award the QSA medal to his next of kin , if he was a casualty ? Again Many thanks John . Regards Bill In Weymouth N.Z

Dear Bill, I have been doing some more research and consulted Kevin Asplin. We are 99% certain that your relatives medal and bars would have been sent to his next of kin after he was killed by lightening. If he had no next of kin they would have been sent to the WAR OFFICE. Cheers John JOHN CRONIN CHRISTCHURCH DORSET UK NOLITE ME CULPARE-SUFFRAGATUS SUM ERAE PORCELLAE

Dear Bill, I do not have a medal roll for the R. F. A. However, I do have him on the casualty roll. He certainly earned at least the QSA. Whether he received it I do not know. We are speaking of a time when you could not be awarded the VICTORIA CROSS if you were killed earning it. I do not KNOW if the QSA was sent to the next of kin of a dead soldier. I have not been able to find the Warrant which authorised the QSA and gave all the regulations so that I can find out. Campaign medals were certainly sent to next of kin in WW1. 4419 GUNNER T. HUDSON 8 RFA KILLED BY LIGHTENING AT STANDERTON 9-JAN- 1902. BURIED AT STANDERTON. Cheers JOHN JOHN CRONIN CHRISTCHURCH DORSET UK NOLITE ME CULPARE-SUFFRAGATUS SUM ERAE PORCELLAE

Hi John, Thanks so much for your kind offer, I am looking for confirmation of QSAM Medal for my Grandfather one Trooper No 11651 Private, William Barrett of Royal Army Medical Corp from Middlesex, U.K.. I have tried Kevin but no luck, he suggested I visit Kew, in London or pay a researcher to do some work for me but the currency exchange rate with ZAR at the moment is a bit ridiculous. Many thanks. Brian

Hi to all, Bill Braden-Brown wrote, "I am trying to find out a soldier a 2468 Pte H. Vallis, 14 th Hussars, who is listed on the QSAM Medal roll Boer War of 1899 / 1902, and seems to have disappeared" ................ Is the QSAM Medal roll searchable on th net? and where? Thank you all. Brian Barrett, South Africa Researching Barrett, Liedtke, Keys.

Dear Brian, Sorry, but as I explained the only names I have are expanded versions of Kevins, plus casualties from all units that served in S. Africa. I have looked him up in the casualty lists and he is not there. Sorry but I do not know what to suggest other than try Kew. If he went to SA during the war and landed before 31st May 1902 then he is entitled to the QSA. My grand father received it and he only got off the boat on the way to India and hung around the docks for a few days. John JOHN CRONIN CHRISTCHURCH DORSET UK NOLITE ME CULPARE-SUFFRAGATUS SUM ERAE PORCELLAE