Steve, are you related to the Boyce's in Sandhurst,Berks? Philip Long - Sharon Ontario Canada.

I am researching a relative Charles BOYCE who was an able seaman on HMS POWERFUL and at Ladysmith but sadly died of dysentry at Mooi River (site of the no 4 Field Hospital) on 09 Apr 1900. I understand that his grave is number 4/61. I have been advised that this is in a "dodgy area" but understand that care of the grave will shortly be taken over by the CWGC. Any info on the cemetery and whether or not there might be a marker on the grave would be gratefully received. Steve Boyce

Oh great. They are wonderful . Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Wilson" <hugo@actrix.gen.nz> To: <BOER-WAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 5:27 PM Subject: Re: [BOER-WAR] John Stirling's books > John Stirling’s books “The Colonials in South Africa” (1904) & "Our > Regiments in South Africa 1899-1902" (1903) have been reprinted by > the Naval & Military Press (2002). They have a description of the > campaigns each regiment was involved in, but just a few names of the > commanding officers and those who got awards for bravery: > > http://www.naval-military-press.com/ > > Yours, John Wilson > >> If possible try and get get John Stirling's book "Colonial Regiments >> in South Africa 1899-1902"It is out of print but most >> libraries should have it amongst their war collections. >> > > > ==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== > List Admin Message > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.13/199 - Release Date: > 13/12/2005 > >

John Stirling’s books “The Colonials in South Africa” (1904) & "Our Regiments in South Africa 1899-1902" (1903) have been reprinted by the Naval & Military Press (2002). They have a description of the campaigns each regiment was involved in, but just a few names of the commanding officers and those who got awards for bravery: http://www.naval-military-press.com/ Yours, John Wilson > If possible try and get get John Stirling's book "Colonial Regiments > in South Africa 1899-1902"It is out of print but most > libraries should have it amongst their war collections. >

Hi Melissa, 1) V.B. = Volunteer Battalion 2) V.S.C. = Volunteer Service Company 3) Rand Rifles - Formed after the fall of Johannesburg to the British (31/5/1900). They guarded the gold mines and were effectively the Johannesburg Town Guard. 4) I.M.R. = Definitely Mounted Rifles but not Imvoti. (Should be Umvoti). My guess is Indwe. 5) Your guesses ref D.F.F.A., K.L.H. & C.G.A. are correct. 6) The volunteer battalions were not part of the regular army but part time soldiers who were able to respond to the government's request for military service. This normally involved home service only but in the Boer War most (if not all) regular infantry regiments provided a volunteer service company from one of their volunteer battalions for service in South Africa. As for his apparently extensive service with so many units in a shorter military career, I think that he retained (and quoted) his principal affiliation with the Royal Fusiliers' Volunteer Battalion while simultaneously attached to the other units. I hope this helps. Regards, David mlagusis <mlagusis@pacbell.net> wrote: Hello listers, I am new to this list so I apologize if this query is a repeat. I attempted to send this message before I had subscribed officially, so this is my second effort. I just received the Attestation papers for my grandfather, Robert Percy CLARK, for the Canadian Overseas Expeditionary Force (WW1). In it he lists his previous military experience in South Africa. I wonder if anyone can confirm my interpretation of the abbreviations and the significance of certain initials. He lists: 4 yrs V.B. Royal Fusiliers...what does V.B. signify? 2 yrs V.S.C. Royal Fusiliers....again what is the significance of V.S.C.? 1 yr Rand Rifles 3 mo I.M.R. Vol....what does I.M.R. stand for? 18 mos D.F.F.A .....I am guessing that this stands for Diamond Fields Field Artillery. 5 mos K.L.H....I am guessing this stands for Kimberley Light Horse. 8 yrs 5th C.G.A.....am I correct in guessing that this stands for Cape Garrison Artillery? I think some of his experience must have been concurrent because, as far as I know, he was only in South Africa from 1900 to 1908. Was it possible to serve in different outfits simultaneously or was he padding his resume? I also have his attestation papers from British National Archives confirming his service in the South African campaign 1900, 1901 with the Royal Fusiliers. I believe he received the following medals (according to my deceased aunt) but I have no idea of their significance: Commander St Michael and St George, the Military Cross, The Distinguished Service Order, General Service Medals, The Mons Star, Coronation 1911, South Africa: King’s and Queen’s Long Service Medals. Where could I find more details on his South African military record? I do know that he went on to achieve the rank of Brigadier General in the Canadian Army. Yours, Melissa --------------------------------- Play Santa's Celebrity Xmas Party, an exclusive game from Yahoo!

You wonder whether he padded out his resume but one of my ancestors served in several other units like this. It happened that one unit may have had so many casualties they offered promotion to anyone to join and in my case my man got a different number for each of the three different colonial regiments he joined at different stages of the war. Doesnt make it easy though. If possible try and get get John Stirling's book "Colonial Regiments in South AFrica 1899-1902"It is out of print but most libraries should have it amongst their war collections. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alexander Paul" <PAlexander@OLDMUTUAL.com> To: <BOER-WAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 10:18 PM Subject: RE: [BOER-WAR] military designations > I.M.R could be Imvoti Mounted Rifles, a Natal based colonial unit, which I > think still exists. > Paul Alexander > CapeTown > > -----Original Message----- > From: mlagusis [mailto:mlagusis@pacbell.net] > Sent: 13 December 2005 9:07 AM > To: BOER-WAR-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [BOER-WAR] military designations > > > > > Hello listers, > > I am new to this list so I apologize if this query is a repeat. I > attempted to send this message before I had subscribed officially, so > this is my second effort. > > > I just received the Attestation papers for my grandfather, Robert > Percy CLARK, for the Canadian Overseas Expeditionary Force (WW1). > In it he lists his previous military experience in South Africa. > > I wonder if anyone can confirm my interpretation of the abbreviations > and the significance of certain initials. > > He lists: > > 4 yrs V.B. Royal Fusiliers...what does V.B. signify? > > 2 yrs V.S.C. Royal Fusiliers....again what is the significance of > V.S.C.? > > 1 yr Rand Rifles > > 3 mo I.M.R. Vol....what does I.M.R. stand for? > > 18 mos D.F.F.A .....I am guessing that this stands for Diamond Fields > Field Artillery. > > 5 mos K.L.H....I am guessing this stands for Kimberley Light Horse. > > 8 yrs 5th C.G.A.....am I correct in guessing that this stands for > Cape Garrison Artillery? > > I think some of his experience must have been concurrent because, as > far as I know, he was only in South Africa from 1900 to 1908. Was it > possible to serve in different outfits simultaneously or was he > padding his resume? > I also have his attestation papers from British National Archives > confirming his service in the South African campaign 1900, 1901 with > the Royal Fusiliers. I believe he received the following medals > (according to my deceased aunt) but I have no idea of their > significance: > > Commander St Michael and St George, the Military Cross, The > Distinguished Service Order, General Service Medals, The Mons Star, > Coronation 1911, South Africa: King’s and Queen’s Long Service Medals. > > Where could I find more details on his South African military record? > > I do know that he went on to achieve the rank of Brigadier General in > the Canadian Army. > > Yours, > Melissa > > > > > ==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== > Boer War Links > http://freespace.virgin.net/anglers.rest/BoerWarLinks.htm > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > Please click on the following link to read the Old Mutual legal notice: > <http://www.oldmutual.co.za/e-mail_legal_notice> > Alternatively, send a "blank" e-mail to > <mailto:EmailLegalNotice@oldmutual.com> > > > > > ==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== > Getting Started on Boer War Research? > http://freespace.virgin.net/anglers.rest/BWInfo.htm > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.13/198 - Release Date: > 12/12/2005 > >

The Mons Star was a very exclusive medal I believe for those who had survived the first of the very bloody setbacks of WW1. at Mons. Am I right to remember they called these survivors The Old contemptibles? Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Wilson" <hugo@actrix.gen.nz> To: <BOER-WAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 1:01 AM Subject: Re: [BOER-WAR] military designations > Hi Melissa: > > For his War Record (South Africa etc) the Canadian Army List if > based on the British Army List (of officers) may include details of > war service. If you can find a large library with copies of old Lists. > > K.L.H. also possibly Kitchener’s Light Horse, though it was usually > called just Kitchener’s Horse (like Robert’s Horse), without “Light”. > > The “Mons Star” was a name for the WWI campaign medal, The > 1914 Star: > http://www.iwm.org.uk/server/show/ConWebDoc.1229 > > He would also have other campaign medals, the British War Medal > and Victory Medal from WWI. From South Africa the QSA or > Queen’s South Africa medal, and possibly the KSA or King’s South > Africa medal (with bars): > http://www.vac-acc.gc.ca/general/sub.cfm?source=collections/cmdp/mainmenu/gr > oup03 > Or start here: > http://www.vac-acc.gc.ca/clients/sub.cfm?source=collections/cmdp > > Yours, John Wilson > >> >> I just received the Attestation papers for my grandfather, Robert >> Percy CLARK, for the Canadian Overseas Expeditionary Force (WW1). >> In it he lists his previous military experience in South Africa. >> >> I wonder if anyone can confirm my interpretation of the abbreviations >> and the significance of certain initials. >> >> He lists: >> >> 4 yrs V.B. Royal Fusiliers...what does V.B. signify? >> >> 2 yrs V.S.C. Royal Fusiliers....again what is the significance of >> V.S.C.? >> >> 1 yr Rand Rifles >> >> 3 mo I.M.R. Vol....what does I.M.R. stand for? >> >> 18 mos D.F.F.A .....I am guessing that this stands for Diamond Fields >> Field Artillery. >> >> 5 mos K.L.H....I am guessing this stands for Kimberley Light Horse. >> >> 8 yrs 5th C.G.A.....am I correct in guessing that this stands for >> Cape Garrison Artillery? >> >> I think some of his experience must have been concurrent because, as >> far as I know, he was only in South Africa from 1900 to 1908. Was it >> possible to serve in different outfits simultaneously or was he >> padding his resume? >> I also have his attestation papers from British National Archives >> confirming his service in the South African campaign 1900, 1901 with >> the Royal Fusiliers. I believe he received the following medals >> (according to my deceased aunt) but I have no idea of their >> significance: >> >> Commander St Michael and St George, the Military Cross, The >> Distinguished Service Order, General Service Medals, The Mons Star, >> Coronation 1911, South Africa: King’s and Queen’s Long Service Medals. >> >> Where could I find more details on his South African military record? >> >> I do know that he went on to achieve the rank of Brigadier General in >> the Canadian Army. >> > > > ==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== > List Admin Message > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.13/198 - Release Date: > 12/12/2005 > >

Hi Melissa: For his War Record (South Africa etc) the Canadian Army List if based on the British Army List (of officers) may include details of war service. If you can find a large library with copies of old Lists. K.L.H. also possibly Kitchener’s Light Horse, though it was usually called just Kitchener’s Horse (like Robert’s Horse), without “Light”. The “Mons Star” was a name for the WWI campaign medal, The 1914 Star: http://www.iwm.org.uk/server/show/ConWebDoc.1229 He would also have other campaign medals, the British War Medal and Victory Medal from WWI. From South Africa the QSA or Queen’s South Africa medal, and possibly the KSA or King’s South Africa medal (with bars): http://www.vac-acc.gc.ca/general/sub.cfm?source=collections/cmdp/mainmenu/gr oup03 Or start here: http://www.vac-acc.gc.ca/clients/sub.cfm?source=collections/cmdp Yours, John Wilson > > I just received the Attestation papers for my grandfather, Robert > Percy CLARK, for the Canadian Overseas Expeditionary Force (WW1). > In it he lists his previous military experience in South Africa. > > I wonder if anyone can confirm my interpretation of the abbreviations > and the significance of certain initials. > > He lists: > > 4 yrs V.B. Royal Fusiliers...what does V.B. signify? > > 2 yrs V.S.C. Royal Fusiliers....again what is the significance of > V.S.C.? > > 1 yr Rand Rifles > > 3 mo I.M.R. Vol....what does I.M.R. stand for? > > 18 mos D.F.F.A .....I am guessing that this stands for Diamond Fields > Field Artillery. > > 5 mos K.L.H....I am guessing this stands for Kimberley Light Horse. > > 8 yrs 5th C.G.A.....am I correct in guessing that this stands for > Cape Garrison Artillery? > > I think some of his experience must have been concurrent because, as > far as I know, he was only in South Africa from 1900 to 1908. Was it > possible to serve in different outfits simultaneously or was he > padding his resume? > I also have his attestation papers from British National Archives > confirming his service in the South African campaign 1900, 1901 with > the Royal Fusiliers. I believe he received the following medals > (according to my deceased aunt) but I have no idea of their > significance: > > Commander St Michael and St George, the Military Cross, The > Distinguished Service Order, General Service Medals, The Mons Star, > Coronation 1911, South Africa: King’s and Queen’s Long Service Medals. > > Where could I find more details on his South African military record? > > I do know that he went on to achieve the rank of Brigadier General in > the Canadian Army. >

Unfortunately the Natal based unit is the U.M.R (Umvoti Mounted Rifles) but you are correct in that it still exists today. Regards Trevor ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alexander Paul" <PAlexander@OLDMUTUAL.com> To: <BOER-WAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 11:18 AM Subject: RE: [BOER-WAR] military designations > I.M.R could be Imvoti Mounted Rifles, a Natal based colonial unit, which I > think still exists. > Paul Alexander > CapeTown > > -----Original Message----- > From: mlagusis [mailto:mlagusis@pacbell.net] > Sent: 13 December 2005 9:07 AM > To: BOER-WAR-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [BOER-WAR] military designations > > > > > Hello listers, > > I am new to this list so I apologize if this query is a repeat. I > attempted to send this message before I had subscribed officially, so > this is my second effort. > > > I just received the Attestation papers for my grandfather, Robert > Percy CLARK, for the Canadian Overseas Expeditionary Force (WW1). > In it he lists his previous military experience in South Africa. > > I wonder if anyone can confirm my interpretation of the abbreviations > and the significance of certain initials. > > He lists: > > 4 yrs V.B. Royal Fusiliers...what does V.B. signify? > > 2 yrs V.S.C. Royal Fusiliers....again what is the significance of > V.S.C.? > > 1 yr Rand Rifles > > 3 mo I.M.R. Vol....what does I.M.R. stand for? > > 18 mos D.F.F.A .....I am guessing that this stands for Diamond Fields > Field Artillery. > > 5 mos K.L.H....I am guessing this stands for Kimberley Light Horse. > > 8 yrs 5th C.G.A.....am I correct in guessing that this stands for > Cape Garrison Artillery? > > I think some of his experience must have been concurrent because, as > far as I know, he was only in South Africa from 1900 to 1908. Was it > possible to serve in different outfits simultaneously or was he > padding his resume? > I also have his attestation papers from British National Archives > confirming his service in the South African campaign 1900, 1901 with > the Royal Fusiliers. I believe he received the following medals > (according to my deceased aunt) but I have no idea of their > significance: > > Commander St Michael and St George, the Military Cross, The > Distinguished Service Order, General Service Medals, The Mons Star, > Coronation 1911, South Africa: King’s and Queen’s Long Service Medals. > > Where could I find more details on his South African military record? > > I do know that he went on to achieve the rank of Brigadier General in > the Canadian Army. > > Yours, > Melissa > > > > > ==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== > Boer War Links > http://freespace.virgin.net/anglers.rest/BoerWarLinks.htm > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > Please click on the following link to read the Old Mutual legal notice: > <http://www.oldmutual.co.za/e-mail_legal_notice> > Alternatively, send a "blank" e-mail to > <mailto:EmailLegalNotice@oldmutual.com> > > > > > ==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== > Getting Started on Boer War Research? > http://freespace.virgin.net/anglers.rest/BWInfo.htm > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

I.M.R could be Imvoti Mounted Rifles, a Natal based colonial unit, which I think still exists. Paul Alexander CapeTown -----Original Message----- From: mlagusis [mailto:mlagusis@pacbell.net] Sent: 13 December 2005 9:07 AM To: BOER-WAR-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [BOER-WAR] military designations Hello listers, I am new to this list so I apologize if this query is a repeat. I attempted to send this message before I had subscribed officially, so this is my second effort. I just received the Attestation papers for my grandfather, Robert Percy CLARK, for the Canadian Overseas Expeditionary Force (WW1). In it he lists his previous military experience in South Africa. I wonder if anyone can confirm my interpretation of the abbreviations and the significance of certain initials. He lists: 4 yrs V.B. Royal Fusiliers...what does V.B. signify? 2 yrs V.S.C. Royal Fusiliers....again what is the significance of V.S.C.? 1 yr Rand Rifles 3 mo I.M.R. Vol....what does I.M.R. stand for? 18 mos D.F.F.A .....I am guessing that this stands for Diamond Fields Field Artillery. 5 mos K.L.H....I am guessing this stands for Kimberley Light Horse. 8 yrs 5th C.G.A.....am I correct in guessing that this stands for Cape Garrison Artillery? I think some of his experience must have been concurrent because, as far as I know, he was only in South Africa from 1900 to 1908. Was it possible to serve in different outfits simultaneously or was he padding his resume? I also have his attestation papers from British National Archives confirming his service in the South African campaign 1900, 1901 with the Royal Fusiliers. I believe he received the following medals (according to my deceased aunt) but I have no idea of their significance: Commander St Michael and St George, the Military Cross, The Distinguished Service Order, General Service Medals, The Mons Star, Coronation 1911, South Africa: King’s and Queen’s Long Service Medals. Where could I find more details on his South African military record? I do know that he went on to achieve the rank of Brigadier General in the Canadian Army. Yours, Melissa ==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== Boer War Links http://freespace.virgin.net/anglers.rest/BoerWarLinks.htm ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx Please click on the following link to read the Old Mutual legal notice: <http://www.oldmutual.co.za/e-mail_legal_notice> Alternatively, send a "blank" e-mail to <mailto:EmailLegalNotice@oldmutual.com>

Hello listers, I am new to this list so I apologize if this query is a repeat. I attempted to send this message before I had subscribed officially, so this is my second effort. I just received the Attestation papers for my grandfather, Robert Percy CLARK, for the Canadian Overseas Expeditionary Force (WW1). In it he lists his previous military experience in South Africa. I wonder if anyone can confirm my interpretation of the abbreviations and the significance of certain initials. He lists: 4 yrs V.B. Royal Fusiliers...what does V.B. signify? 2 yrs V.S.C. Royal Fusiliers....again what is the significance of V.S.C.? 1 yr Rand Rifles 3 mo I.M.R. Vol....what does I.M.R. stand for? 18 mos D.F.F.A .....I am guessing that this stands for Diamond Fields Field Artillery. 5 mos K.L.H....I am guessing this stands for Kimberley Light Horse. 8 yrs 5th C.G.A.....am I correct in guessing that this stands for Cape Garrison Artillery? I think some of his experience must have been concurrent because, as far as I know, he was only in South Africa from 1900 to 1908. Was it possible to serve in different outfits simultaneously or was he padding his resume? I also have his attestation papers from British National Archives confirming his service in the South African campaign 1900, 1901 with the Royal Fusiliers. I believe he received the following medals (according to my deceased aunt) but I have no idea of their significance: Commander St Michael and St George, the Military Cross, The Distinguished Service Order, General Service Medals, The Mons Star, Coronation 1911, South Africa: King’s and Queen’s Long Service Medals. Where could I find more details on his South African military record? I do know that he went on to achieve the rank of Brigadier General in the Canadian Army. Yours, Melissa

Hi All: Good news about Anglo-Boer Graves in South Africa; the Commonwealth War Graves Commision is to take over responsibility for the British graves in South Africa (c22,000) from the SAHRA (South African Heritage Resources Agency) under an agreement signed in September 23. See CWGC Latest News (page down): http://www.cwgc.org/cwgcinternet/News1.html The Commission (CWGC) expects to take four years to inventorise and refurbish these graves (apparently a low priority for SAHRA and the South African taxpayer, which, reasonably, has other priorities). This will include the Australian, Canadian and New Zealand graves. There were 185 deaths in South Africa to members of the ten New Zealand contingents (also 3 in Zimbabwe; 1 in Beira, Mozambique; 1 in London, UK; 1 in Albany, West Australia). Plus some at sea and in New Zealand; total 230. Yours, John Wilson (New Zealand)

John, What good news. My grandfather and his family survived the war but suffered quite a lot in the siege of Ladysmith. Happy Christmas to all. Nick Furniss, Bracknell, Berks. Eng. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Wilson" <hugo@actrix.gen.nz> To: <BOER-WAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 1:09 PM Subject: [BOER-WAR] Anglo-Boer Graves in South Africa > Hi All: > > Good news about Anglo-Boer Graves in South Africa; the > Commonwealth War Graves Commision is to take over responsibility > for the British graves in South Africa (c22,000) from the SAHRA (South > African Heritage Resources Agency) under an agreement signed in > September 23. See CWGC Latest News (page down): > http://www.cwgc.org/cwgcinternet/News1.html > > The Commission (CWGC) expects to take four years to inventorise and > refurbish these graves (apparently a low priority for SAHRA and the > South African taxpayer, which, reasonably, has other priorities). > > This will include the Australian, Canadian and New Zealand graves. > There were 185 deaths in South Africa to members of the ten New > Zealand contingents (also 3 in Zimbabwe; 1 in Beira, Mozambique; 1 in > London, UK; 1 in Albany, West Australia). Plus some at sea and in New > Zealand; total 230. > > Yours, John Wilson (New Zealand) > > > ==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== > Boer War List Page > http://freespace.virgin.net/anglers.rest/BoerWar.htm > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

On Wednesday 07 December 2005 08:00, George Ward wrote in BOER-WAR-D-request@rootsweb.com: Hi George cc Andrew There doesn't seem to be shot of either the FERRIS, Frederick Aston or FOX, George Ivory graves on HAGSOC's Middleburg Cemetery page - see www.hagsoc.org.au/sagraves/photos/za01200.php. If you are not keeping your Vic. graves photos for later publication, could they please be included there? Alternatively, if you intend going into print or already have them online elsewhere, I'd appreciate the references/URLs so that I can include those in the relevant entries in the Oz-Boer Database - see www.pcug.org.au/~croe/ozb/oz_boer.cgi I've now added in the information on FERRIS and FOX from this thread and attributed it to you and David. Regards Colin Roe > RE: [BOER-WAR] Re: 'Grave of F.Ferris" > Date: Tue Dec  6 22:04:34 2005 > From: "George Ward" <wardfam@alphalink.com.au> > To: BOER-WAR-L@rootsweb.com > > Good evening David, >                   I was fortunate enough to visit the Middleburg Cemetery > in Febuary 2000 and came across the metal cross to > Ferris. It has had another metal plate attached to the cross onto which is > stamped >  " In memory of Sgt.F.Ferris Sco Horse  6.2.02".  Another Scottish Horse > chap,Tpr G.Fox is buried nearby. > I tried to photograph any grave of soldiers fron Victoria that I came > across. > > Fred Ferris's family sold his QSA a few years ago and I hope to purchase it > sometime in the future. It is thought that he > maybe also be entitled to a KSA but the family did not have it. What they > did have was the Union Jack that was said to have been used over his coffin > at his funeral. There was also his badges etc but the dealer has split them > off. > Thank you for the information, I will put it with his photo. > > Kind regards, > > George Ward -- Colin Roe, Torrens ACT Australia

Good evening David, I was fortunate enough to visit the Middleburg Cemetery in Febuary 2000 and came across the metal cross to Ferris. It has had another metal plate attached to the cross onto which is stamped " In memory of Sgt.F.Ferris Sco Horse 6.2.02". Another Scottish Horse chap,Tpr G.Fox is buried nearby. I tried to photograph any grave of soldiers fron Victoria that I came across. Fred Ferris's family sold his QSA a few years ago and I hope to purchase it sometime in the future. It is thought that he maybe also be entitled to a KSA but the family did not have it. What they did have was the Union Jack that was said to have been used over his coffin at his funeral. There was also his badges etc but the dealer has split them off. Thank you for the information, I will put it with his photo. Kind regards, George Ward -----Original Message----- From: David Humphry [mailto:davidh9999@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, 6 December 2005 7:27 PM To: BOER-WAR-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [BOER-WAR] Re: 'Grave' business Hi George, 38260 Sgt. F.A. Ferris is shown as having died of peritonitis (probably as a result of a burst appendix) at Middelburg 6/2/1902. He is buried at Middelburg Cemetery and his grave is marked with an unnamed metal cross. Additional information is that he was aged 21 and religion C of E. Regards, David George Ward <wardfam@alphalink.com.au> wrote: Hi, On the list of headstones is there one for Sgt. Frederick A.Ferris? He served with the 1st.Victorian Contingent and then returned to South Africa with the Scottish Horse. He was badly wounded at Gun Hill, Bakenlaagte and upon recovering applied for a commission with his unit Unfortunately his time ran out and he died of disease in Febuary 1902. He is one of those Australians that sometimes gets left off casualty lists through no fault of his own. Regards, George Ward Melbourne --------------------------------- How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos. Get Yahoo! Photos ==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== List Admin Message http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Hi, I have nothing concrete to contribute to this particular discussion apart from that I used to visit many of the Grave sites and Cemetries of both the Anglo Boer and the Anglo Zulu Wars up until I left SA in 1999. It may help many of you to know that most of the cemetries were really beautiful, peaceful and well cared for places which often moved me to tears - my favourite places were a Scottish Regiments cemetry ( I will have to locate the actual name in my records )near the site of the Battle of Elandslaagte and the grave site of the Prince Imperial (Bonaparte - AZ War )where the serenity, the bush and the view was amazing. Unfortunately I dont believe (I may be wrong?)that it is safe to visit these places any more. There is widespread vandalism and desecration of the graves and cemetries where bronze & metal plaques, marble and even cemetry gates have been stolen - it may be a lack of funding that has contributed to this but I fear that a lot of history has been lost in recent years and hopefully the documentation in the UK that seems to have been adequately done is complete - it will soon be all that we have left. I also read last year that Lt's Breaker Morant and Hancocks graves in the Pretoria cemetry had been desecrated - very sad! May all those young men rest in Peace. David Sheldon Brisbane -----Original Message----- From: BOER-WAR-L-request@rootsweb.com [mailto:BOER-WAR-L-request@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of David Humphry Sent: Tuesday, 6 December 2005 6:27 PM To: BOER-WAR-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [BOER-WAR] Re: 'Grave' business Hi George, 38260 Sgt. F.A. Ferris is shown as having died of peritonitis (probably as a result of a burst appendix) at Middelburg 6/2/1902. He is buried at Middelburg Cemetery and his grave is marked with an unnamed metal cross. Additional information is that he was aged 21 and religion C of E. Regards, David George Ward <wardfam@alphalink.com.au> wrote: Hi, On the list of headstones is there one for Sgt. Frederick A.Ferris? He served with the 1st.Victorian Contingent and then returned to South Africa with the Scottish Horse. He was badly wounded at Gun Hill, Bakenlaagte and upon recovering applied for a commission with his unit Unfortunately his time ran out and he died of disease in Febuary 1902. He is one of those Australians that sometimes gets left off casualty lists through no fault of his own. Regards, George Ward Melbourne --------------------------------- How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos. Get Yahoo! Photos ==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== List Admin Message http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx ************************************************************************************************* "This e-mail and its attachments are intended for the named addressee only and no liability is accepted for use or reliance on any part of this e-mail by any other person. It is confidential, may be subject to privilege and is also subject to copyright. No part of it should be reproduced, adapted or communicated without the written consent of the copyright owner. Any confidentiality or privilege is not waived or lost because this e-mail has been received by you and you are not the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please let us know by reply e-mail. Please note that e-mails can be interfered with, can contain computer viruses or other defects and may not be successfully replicated on other systems. This footnote confirms that this e-mail message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. However whilst the sender has taken reasonable precautions to minimise the risk of this email and any attachment containing viruses, we cannot accept liability for any such viruses and we give no warranties in relation to any of the above matters. If you have any doubts about the authenticity of this e-mail please contact the sender immediately. No responsibility is accepted for any changes made to a document other than those made by the sender."

Hi George, Steve Watt's book was published in 2000 so presumably the metal name plate was added after he visited the site. That's good to know, especially in view of the ongoing vandalism, pillaging and grave robbing at ABW cemeteries. The Scottish Horse medal roll (included in Kevin Aplin's Imperial Yeomanry roll) shows that Ferris did indeed receive a KSA as well as a QSA with clasps Cape Colony, Orange Free State, Johannesburg and Diamond Hill. Regards, David George Ward <wardfam@alphalink.com.au> wrote: Good evening David, I was fortunate enough to visit the Middleburg Cemetery in Febuary 2000 and came across the metal cross to Ferris. It has had another metal plate attached to the cross onto which is stamped " In memory of Sgt.F.Ferris Sco Horse 6.2.02". Another Scottish Horse chap,Tpr G.Fox is buried nearby. I tried to photograph any grave of soldiers fron Victoria that I came across. Fred Ferris's family sold his QSA a few years ago and I hope to purchase it sometime in the future. It is thought that he maybe also be entitled to a KSA but the family did not have it. What they did have was the Union Jack that was said to have been used over his coffin at his funeral. There was also his badges etc but the dealer has split them off. Thank you for the information, I will put it with his photo. Kind regards, George Ward --------------------------------- Play Santa's Celebrity Xmas Party, an exclusive game from Yahoo!

Hi George, 38260 Sgt. F.A. Ferris is shown as having died of peritonitis (probably as a result of a burst appendix) at Middelburg 6/2/1902. He is buried at Middelburg Cemetery and his grave is marked with an unnamed metal cross. Additional information is that he was aged 21 and religion C of E. Regards, David George Ward <wardfam@alphalink.com.au> wrote: Hi, On the list of headstones is there one for Sgt. Frederick A.Ferris? He served with the 1st.Victorian Contingent and then returned to South Africa with the Scottish Horse. He was badly wounded at Gun Hill, Bakenlaagte and upon recovering applied for a commission with his unit Unfortunately his time ran out and he died of disease in Febuary 1902. He is one of those Australians that sometimes gets left off casualty lists through no fault of his own. Regards, George Ward Melbourne --------------------------------- How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos. Get Yahoo! Photos

Hi, On the list of headstones is there one for Sgt. Frederick A.Ferris? He served with the 1st.Victorian Contingent and then returned to South Africa with the Scottish Horse. He was badly wounded at Gun Hill, Bakenlaagte and upon recovering applied for a commission with his unit Unfortunately his time ran out and he died of disease in Febuary 1902. He is one of those Australians that sometimes gets left off casualty lists through no fault of his own. Regards, George Ward Melbourne -----Original Message----- From: Colin Roe [mailto:croe@pcug.org.au] Sent: Monday, 5 December 2005 10:40 PM To: BOER-WAR-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [BOER-WAR] Re: 'Grave' business On Sunday 04 December 2005 23:36, George Ward wrote in BOER-WAR-D-request@rootsweb.com: > RE: [BOER-WAR] Fw: 'Grave' business of finding the Boer War casualties Part > 3 Date: Sun Dec 4 09:01:11 2005 > From: "George Ward" <wardfam@alphalink.com.au> > To: BOER-WAR-L@rootsweb.com > > Hi, > Both Capt. John Kelly and Lt.Alfred G,Johnston were serving with the > 5th.Victorian Mtd Rifles. > John Price in his book "They proved to all the Earth" states that Capt. > John Kelly has cross on his grave, date 8-5- > 1901 and is now buried in the Middelburg Cemetery. > He has no last resting place for Johnston. Maybe the fact that one was KIA > and the other wounded has a bearing on it. Johnston would probably have > been buried near the site of the action > and Kelly brought into the hospital. > I probably have small photos of both these officers. > > Regards, > George Ward Melbourne Aust. Hi With the recent reports of increased cemetery vandalism in South Africa and the salvaging of Boer War era metal grave markers for scrap, it would be usefull if we could pool our existing grave photos so that the images at least remain available to future generations. I can probably arrange for HAGSOC to include all the Australian graves (including Australians serving in British or South African units) on it's 'South African Graves' website - see www.hagsoc.org.au/sagraves/index.php Does anyone have photo of the grave with the cross dated 8-5-1901 in Middleburg Cemetery attributed to Capt. John Kelly of the 5th.Victorian Mounted Rifles? It is not included amongst the Middleburg photos at www.hagsoc.org.au/sagraves/photos/za01200.php. Regards Colin Roe -- Colin Roe, Torrens ACT Australia Oz-Boer Database (www.pcug.org.au/~croe/ozb/oz_boer.cgi) ==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== Getting Started on Boer War Research? http://freespace.virgin.net/anglers.rest/BWInfo.htm ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

On Sunday 04 December 2005 23:36, George Ward wrote in BOER-WAR-D-request@rootsweb.com: > RE: [BOER-WAR] Fw: 'Grave' business of finding the Boer War casualties Part > 3 Date: Sun Dec  4 09:01:11 2005 > From: "George Ward" <wardfam@alphalink.com.au> > To: BOER-WAR-L@rootsweb.com > > Hi, >    Both Capt. John Kelly and Lt.Alfred G,Johnston were serving with the > 5th.Victorian Mtd Rifles. > John Price in his book "They proved to all the Earth" states that Capt. > John Kelly has cross on his grave, date 8-5- > 1901 and is now buried in the Middelburg Cemetery. > He has no last resting place for Johnston. Maybe the fact that one was KIA > and the other wounded has a bearing on it. Johnston would probably have > been buried near the site of the action > and Kelly brought into the hospital. > I probably have small photos of both these officers. > > Regards, > George Ward  Melbourne  Aust. Hi With the recent reports of increased cemetery vandalism in South Africa and the salvaging of Boer War era metal grave markers for scrap, it would be usefull if we could pool our existing grave photos so that the images at least remain available to future generations. I can probably arrange for HAGSOC to include all the Australian graves (including Australians serving in British or South African units) on it's 'South African Graves' website - see www.hagsoc.org.au/sagraves/index.php Does anyone have photo of the grave with the cross dated 8-5-1901 in Middleburg Cemetery attributed to Capt. John Kelly of the 5th.Victorian Mounted Rifles? It is not included amongst the Middleburg photos at www.hagsoc.org.au/sagraves/photos/za01200.php. Regards Colin Roe -- Colin Roe, Torrens ACT Australia Oz-Boer Database (www.pcug.org.au/~croe/ozb/oz_boer.cgi)