Hi Listers, what is the difference between the"South African medal" Kings South African medal" and "Queens South African medal"please.Can anyone enlighten me, cheers Colin White

Hi Carol - I can't tell you about the uniform but I can confirm that the cavalry medal roll shows 21047 Tpr. E. Riches 1st Life Guards being entitled to the Queen's South Africa Medal (QSA) with clasps Relief of Kimberley, Paardeberg, Driefontein, Johannesburg & Diamond Hill. The chances are that he was also awarded the King's South Africa Medal 9KSA) but I don't have that roll. His service papers may well have survived at the National Archives at Kew in series WO 97. Regards, David carolshere@tiscali.co.uk wrote: My great uncle Elijah Riches served with the 1st.Life Guards 1901 census has him as Corporal of Horse at Windsor Barracks.I believe he was in South Africa before this. Can anyone tell me what their uniform was like as I have an old photograph of him and two others.He however is wearing a straw hat and the one on the right has white shoes on.These items do not seem appropriate with their uniforms!!! Also where can I find information on The Life Guards and his service? Thanks for any help Carol --------------------------------- Yahoo! Cars NEW - sell your car and browse thousands of new and used cars online search now ---------------------------------

Carol, I forgot to mention.. there were actually 2 men of the Life Guards called E. Riches.. the other one was a Corporal of Horse No.1756.. either could be yours, but the latter one looks more likely. In fact I just checked some information I have on the Long Service and Good Conduct medal awards and No.1756 Squadron Corporal Major Elijah Riches was granted this medal in 1911. A No.1707 Trooper W.E. Riches got the award the year before. Kevin

Carol, Look on my site at.. _http://hometown.aol.co.uk/kevinasplin/Collett.html_ (http://hometown.aol.co.uk/kevinasplin/Collett.html) and you will see a picture and details of another soldier of the same unit as your fellow. As your man was No.2047 and Collett was No.2036, it is a good guess that they joined the Life Guards at around the same time. Kevin

My great uncle Elijah Riches served with the 1st.Life Guards 1901 census has him as Corporal of Horse at Windsor Barracks.I believe he was in South Africa before this. Can anyone tell me what their uniform was like as I have an old photograph of him and two others.He however is wearing a straw hat and the one on the right has white shoes on.These items do not seem appropriate with their uniforms!!! Also where can I find information on The Life Guards and his service? Thanks for any help Carol

I'm trying to find information on the Boer War military service of a John Quinn, aka John Browne Quinn or John Burnett Quinn. He was born in Singleton NSW Australia in 1875 and apparently went to South Africa circa 1893. He was apparently prone to exaggeration and I'm a bit wary of some of the stories that have been handed down to me. But he supposedly fought in the Matabele Wars (1893 and 1896) and was also involved in the Jameson Raid (1895). He then enlisted in the British Army at the start of the Boer War in 1899 and was at one time, according to the caption on a Johannesburg photographic studio photograph, a sergeant-major in the Commander-in-Chief's Bodyguard. Sorry, there's not a lot to go on but perhaps someone may be able to point me towards some resources which might help me. Best Regards Alistair Kennedy

Dear List, I have asked this question time and again and have just yesterday received an answer as to WHY my grandfather was NOT here during the Anglo Boer War - that is the earlier part. I have just discovered that he was still in Cornwall during the 1901 census, staying with his grandparents. And I have been lead to believe that he served in the 85th Battery FA as a special service volunteer. It shows you that one can really be mislead. However I still believe that there may be something in this. The 1901 census was taken on 31 March 1901 and the Boer War was still going on then. He could have come out later that year as a Special Service Volunteer and joined up with the 85th Battery. IS THIS POSSIBLE?? If so, are there any documents or lists where they would have just such people? Please let me know. In the census they have him as William MILLETT. His actual name is William George Richard CLAY BUT HE COULD HAVE BEEN KNOWN AS MILLETT. I really would love to know what he did then. He settled in Kimberley and married in 1906. Thank you TO ALL OF YOU WHO HAVE HELPED ME THUS FAR. Kind regards, Glynis

Dear List, I have asked this question time and again and have just yesterday received an answer as to WHY my grandfather was NOT here during the Anglo Boer War - that is the earlier part. I have just discovered that he was still in Cornwall during the 1901 census, staying with his grandparents. And I have been lead to believe that he served in the 85th Battery FA as a special service volunteer. It shows you that one can really be mislead. However I still believe that there may be something in this. The 1901 census was taken on 31 March 1901 and the Boer War was still going on then. He could have come out later that year as a Special Service Volunteer and joined up with the 85th Battery. IS THIS POSSIBLE?? If so, are there any documents or lists where they would have just such people? Please let me know. In the census they have him as William MILLETT. His actual name is William George Richard CLAY BUT HE COULD HAVE BEEN KNOWN AS MILLETT. I really would love to know what he did then. He settled in Kimberley and married in 1906. Thank you TO ALL OF YOU WHO HAVE HELPED ME THUS FAR. Kind regards, Glynis

I am researching a soldier called Herbert Barker of the King's Own Yorkshire Light Infantry (KOYLI) who served in both the Boer War, Nigeria and WWI. As a Cpl or Sgt on Maxims at the Battle of Magersfontein he did something wrong and was court martialled on 27th February 1900. His records do not show the details of the charge or finding but there is some detail about trying to get the offence expunged so he could get the Long Service and Good Conduct Medal. The War Office refused to expunge the offence. The usual sources have been tried, such as PRO, KOYLI Museum and Records etc but without success. Can anyone offer any suggestions as to where one might find court martial records. Would there be any chance that they might exist in South Africa? I don't know why they should but just......maybe. All suggestions welcome. Happy New Year to all, Tony Lyons

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Hi John Many thanks for this information. I think this has helped me to eliminate this particular T Hall as "mine". Thanks again Regards Heather -----Original Message----- From: CJohncronin@aol.com [mailto:CJohncronin@aol.com] Sent: 30 December 2005 08:29 To: BOER-WAR-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BOER-WAR] Casualty Roll - Thomas Hall? Only one T. Hall on casualty return. 5701 Captured at Belfast 8 Jan. 1901. Later released. No date of release given. Possibly released on same day as captured. The Boers would not have been able to deal with lots of prisoners at this time. He was unwounded so probably just disarmed, had uniform taken away together with anything else of use, and turned loose. Good hunting John JOHN CRONIN CHRISTCHURCH DORSET UK NOLITE ME CULPARE-SUFFRAGATUS SUM ERAE PORCELLAE ==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== Boer War List Page http://freespace.virgin.net/anglers.rest/BoerWar.htm ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx

Dear List, I have been reading over the messages on the Boer War mailing list, in particular the messages on the Police. I have been searching for one of my ancestors Evan Wide, born 1848 Pyle Glamorgan. From 1861 census was living in Cardiff, 1871/1881 Census occupation as Police Officer. Evan Wide has dropped off the end of the earth from 1891 Census.(possibly indexed incorrect) I had given up all hope of finding him, I started looking through the SA Archives for another member of the family with the name James Edwin Wide. Fully documented in the archives and low and behold Evan Wide widow - name also popped up, in the NAB archives under Misc documents dated 1902. Due to the holidays I have held off sending for this document. It is possible that Evan was in Africa during the Boer War as a Police Officer? as he would have been 54 yrs old, would this age be to old to have served as a solider? would appear that after reading the previous messages that many were 18 + yrs old. Other foreseen problem, as the document is classified as Misc. could be anything. The other member of the Wide family had returned to Cardiff several years earlier. Looking forward to reading the messages and learning about another piece of history Many Thanks Jane (W.Auss)

Dear List, I have asked this question before and would like to know if the name William CLAY has turned up on and searches. His full name was William George Richard CLAY and served in the in the Special Service Volunteer in the 85th Battery in the FA as a Farrier. I have look for his info in quite a lot of places but still cannot find him. I know the 85th Battery came out to SA on the Manchester Port from Tilbury Dock. I would like to know what his number was (if possible). He did not die in the Boer War as he went on to stay in South Africa and had a family. He married in 1906 in Kimberley to Isabella Johanna DE JONGH and they had 5 sons. Please if any kind person can assist me in more info on him I would be most grateful. Kind regards, Glynis ----- Original Message ----- From: <BOER-WAR-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <BOER-WAR-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 10:00 PM Subject: BOER-WAR-D Digest V05 #147 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.9/216 - Release Date: 29/12/2005

Hi Florent: While your George Emmerson was born in Halifax, Nova Scotia he could have joined up in Britain or South Africa. Many New Zealanders traveled to South Africa and enlisted in local units such as Brabant's Horse, Robert's Horse or the South African Light Horse. The official New Zealand Contingents were oversubscribed, there were 4000 volunteers for the 1011 places in the Eighth NZ Contingent. Brabant's Horse recruited in New Zealand, and the Scottish Horse recruited in Australia (though they had to sign up on the ship outside Australian territorial waters). For the Canadian Scouts (recruited in South Africa) see: http://www.civilization.ca/cwm/boer/canadianscouts_e.html For Canadian Contingents see: http://www.angloboerwar.com/forces/army_canada.htm British volunteers joined the Imperial Yeomanry, and there are 5 Emmersons including George Lionel Emmerson in the IY according to Kevin Asplin's online list: http://hometown.aol.co.uk/kevinasplin/IYE.html He could have joined the British Army, though I would think in that case that he would have joined before the war as a full-time soldier. Records for the British Army of the time, the Imperial Yeomanry and South African units are NOT ONLINE, and as the records at PRO, London are by regiment/unit it is difficult to trace anyone down! The website below for The Anglo-Boer War Memorials Project claims that they can find soldiers (see Research Services) though I have not used their services and so cannot attest to them: http://www.casus-belli.co.uk/abwmp/index.html Re his age, up to WWI you did not need a birth certificate and if you looked old enough you were old enough! Yours, John Wilson (Wellington) > I still would not know if he is my man. I would have to clarify a few items > and was wandering if you could direct me to a military UK site having > photocopies or copies of some of this G. Emmerson service records. My George > Emmerson was 5 feet 8 inches tall, blue eyes, blond hair, 140 pounds. > > George Emmerson was born in Halifax, Nova Scotia and was really 21 years old > in 1899. The family tradition (her only living daughter) always told her > daughter (my spouse) that he was not 18 years old, but 17 when he enrolled. > So he had to trick his age to 18. thinking he was only 17 himself. In fact > he was born in 1878 and he always taught he was born in 1881...go figure.... > > Now my problem will be to find a source stating that he was enrolled in > Halifax by the British army...Is such a thing possible....that a country was > recruiting in another country (Canada)? > > The other point was that he really had a wound during the Boer war...He was > hurt behind the head and kept a permanent mark behind his scalp...he always > claims that he received a hit from the back arm (butt) of a carbine...not > that he self-inflicted a wound...but it is possible that he never admit to > his wife and daughter that he did a false move on his own... > > He never mentioned that he received a medal at the Boer war....and > possibly never received any pension from a government as a veteran.... > > Any idea where, on the Internet I can access a UK official web site for the > list of soldiers or service records for the Boers war? > > Thanks again for your big help. > > Florent Coache > Napierville, Quebec, Canada >

Hi Mr. Cronin, I have found, from his grand-daughter yesterday, that George has the initial F. which stand for george Forest Emmerson. I will keep searching. Thank you for your effort and help. Regards Florent Coache Napierville, Quebec, Canada -----Original Message----- From: CJohncronin@aol.com [mailto:CJohncronin@aol.com] Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 10:39 AM To: BOER-WAR-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BOER-WAR] FW: Lookup for George Emmerson- Boers war Dear Florent, I have found a LANCE CORPORAL GEORGE LIONEL EMMERSON, No 32177 who served with 87th Coy. 22Bn. Imperial Yeomanry. He was not wounded and entitled to the QSA with bars for Cape Colony, OFS, Transvaal, 1901,1902. The 22nd Battalion were also known as the Rough Riders. JOHN CRONIN CHRISTCHURCH DORSET UK NOLITE ME CULPARE-SUFFRAGATUS SUM ERAE PORCELLAE ==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== Boer War List Page http://freespace.virgin.net/anglers.rest/BoerWar.htm ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Hi Mr. Wilson, Thank you for your information. I will need a rest about searching my information from the Internet. There are so many George Emmerson everywhere... My George Emmerson has the initial F. His full official name should be George Forest EMmerson. I say should be, because he had an eptic life...from what we are learning. His grand-daughter never new he got married twice...and so his 2nd wife probably. He desappear in the western area of Canada for roughly 10 years (1902-1915) and came back alone (without the wife) and claiming he got a ranch for his service in the army and that he lost his ranch...gambling it on cards....and he got back to Montreal ....having lost his luggages falling from the train getting him back to Montreal....go figure.... Anyway, I appreciate your cooperation and I am gratefull for your help. Well...I will still continue searching...it is so much exciting. Regards Florent Coache Napierville, Quebec, Canada -----Original Message----- From: John Wilson [mailto:hugo@actrix.gen.nz] Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 7:58 AM To: BOER-WAR-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [BOER-WAR] Re: Lookup for George Emmerson- Boer War Hi Florent: While your George Emmerson was born in Halifax, Nova Scotia he could have joined up in Britain or South Africa. Many New Zealanders traveled to South Africa and enlisted in local units such as Brabant's Horse, Robert's Horse or the South African Light Horse. The official New Zealand Contingents were oversubscribed, there were 4000 volunteers for the 1011 places in the Eighth NZ Contingent. Brabant's Horse recruited in New Zealand, and the Scottish Horse recruited in Australia (though they had to sign up on the ship outside Australian territorial waters). For the Canadian Scouts (recruited in South Africa) see: http://www.civilization.ca/cwm/boer/canadianscouts_e.html For Canadian Contingents see: http://www.angloboerwar.com/forces/army_canada.htm British volunteers joined the Imperial Yeomanry, and there are 5 Emmersons including George Lionel Emmerson in the IY according to Kevin Asplin's online list: http://hometown.aol.co.uk/kevinasplin/IYE.html He could have joined the British Army, though I would think in that case that he would have joined before the war as a full-time soldier. Records for the British Army of the time, the Imperial Yeomanry and South African units are NOT ONLINE, and as the records at PRO, London are by regiment/unit it is difficult to trace anyone down! The website below for The Anglo-Boer War Memorials Project claims that they can find soldiers (see Research Services) though I have not used their services and so cannot attest to them: http://www.casus-belli.co.uk/abwmp/index.html Re his age, up to WWI you did not need a birth certificate and if you looked old enough you were old enough! Yours, John Wilson (Wellington) > I still would not know if he is my man. I would have to clarify a few items > and was wandering if you could direct me to a military UK site having > photocopies or copies of some of this G. Emmerson service records. My George > Emmerson was 5 feet 8 inches tall, blue eyes, blond hair, 140 pounds. > > George Emmerson was born in Halifax, Nova Scotia and was really 21 years old > in 1899. The family tradition (her only living daughter) always told her > daughter (my spouse) that he was not 18 years old, but 17 when he enrolled. > So he had to trick his age to 18. thinking he was only 17 himself. In fact > he was born in 1878 and he always taught he was born in 1881...go figure.... > > Now my problem will be to find a source stating that he was enrolled in > Halifax by the British army...Is such a thing possible....that a country was > recruiting in another country (Canada)? > > The other point was that he really had a wound during the Boer war...He was > hurt behind the head and kept a permanent mark behind his scalp...he always > claims that he received a hit from the back arm (butt) of a carbine...not > that he self-inflicted a wound...but it is possible that he never admit to > his wife and daughter that he did a false move on his own... > > He never mentioned that he received a medal at the Boer war....and > possibly never received any pension from a government as a veteran.... > > Any idea where, on the Internet I can access a UK official web site for the > list of soldiers or service records for the Boers war? > > Thanks again for your big help. > > Florent Coache > Napierville, Quebec, Canada > ==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== Boer War Links http://freespace.virgin.net/anglers.rest/BoerWarLinks.htm ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Dear Florent, I have found a LANCE CORPORAL GEORGE LIONEL EMMERSON, No 32177 who served with 87th Coy. 22Bn. Imperial Yeomanry. He was not wounded and entitled to the QSA with bars for Cape Colony, OFS, Transvaal, 1901,1902. The 22nd Battalion were also known as the Rough Riders. JOHN CRONIN CHRISTCHURCH DORSET UK NOLITE ME CULPARE-SUFFRAGATUS SUM ERAE PORCELLAE

Hi Gerold Many thanks for the information on Alfred Haigh and it is something I can now follow up. Much appreciated Dorothy

My husband has been told by one of his relatives that his grandfather went to the Boer War from Scotland. (That is all he knows). Is there anyway to find out if this is true and any more information? Sorry to be so vague. Angela

Hi Could SKS please do a lookup for me in the Casualty Roll, for Thomas Hall? The only problem is that there are 3 of them, and I'm not sure which one's "mine". All 3 were in the 2nd Kings Shropshire Light Infantry: Pte. no. 2976. He was sent back to England on 15th Sept. 1900 - perhaps ill, perhaps simply "time expired". Private no. 5701 Private no. 6536 who was a later draft into the war. He went to the 1st Battalion in India on 16.3.02. Many TIA! Heather in Oz