Hi all, this is just a test, gave the list address to someone and they keep getting it returned. Janet in cool southern Ontario, still tracking the Mills's.

In a letter dated 29th December 1902, Middleburg Eastern sub district( SA?). Col E Bethune referred to an indiscretion by an individual, quoting 'Army Form 130', and the Kings Regulations para 1805 (xi). The soldier's South Africa Medal was also forfeited. This sounds as though it was quite a serious offence. Does anyone have a copy of the Kings Regs for the period, who could kindly give me a rough idea what the offence might have been? With Thanks Cameron

Hi All, I am sending this as a cross posting to three lists, so forgive me if you read it three times. It is an extract from the Cape Garrison Artillery Regimental Association newsletter that I have just received. It contains the Roll of Honour that they have managed to compile for the Second Anglo Boer War as well as for World War I. The list must not be regarded as definitive as it is an ongoing task to compile the Regimental list. I am indebted to Brig Gen (Rtd) John del Monte, the associations chairman for the list and it is published with his not yet given permission! ANGLO-BOER WAR Killed Lt JC Campbell Daspoort, Pretoria 5 May 1902 Gnr GM Stephen Brugspruit 8 Oct 1900 Died on Service Gnr A Dee (drowned) Walfisch Bay 8 May 1900 Gnr J Rourke (injuries) Cape Town 23 Nov 1900 Gnr EJ McDouall (concussion) O’kiep 13 Sep 1901 Died of Disease Lt Col AP de Villiers Durban Rd 12 Jun 1901 Bdr JC Connor Cape Town 16 Jul 1900 Gnr R Barrisch Christiana 16 Sep 1901 Gnr P Bourke Springfontein 16 May 1901 Gnr HM Cutting Simon’s Town 8 Feb 1901 Gnr HJ Eyes O’kiep 19 Apr 1901 Gnr S Forester Green Point 29 Oct 1900 Gnr A Hammond Beaufort West 3 Apr 1902 Gnr AS Henry Green Point 7 Nov 1900 Gnr H Holderness Green Point 19 Nov 1900 Gnr GPW Huskisson Simon’s Town 23 Oct 1900 Gnr W Lord Riet River 6 Mar 1901 Gnr W Waatman Cape Town 26 Mar 1900 Gnr T Wall Green Point 26 Oct 1900 Wounded Cpl FC Honey Naauwpoort 23 Feb 1901 A/Bdr A Frankenburg O’kiep 9 Apr 1902 Gnr VTA Batten Omryk, Koekamas 10 Jan 1902 Gnr J Birch Windsorton 12 May 1901 Gnr A Law Touws River 26 May 1902 Missing Gnr J Mearns Mafeking 26 Nov 1901 WORLD WAR I Phillipi German Cemetery Gnr HPJ Lassen 16 Oct 1918 Plumstead Cemetery Gnr AG Balsdon 6 Dec 1919 Gnr RMH Basset 14 Oct 1918 Gnr HJ Commerford 13 Oct 1918 Gnr JG Hyde 22 Aug 1915 Gnr P van Skalkwyk 21 Oct 1918 Robertson Cemetery Gnr SA Marais 20 Oct 1918 Simonstown (Dido Valley) Cemetery Gnr H la Mude 18 May 1916 Woltemade Cemetery (Maitland) Gnr WP Dawson 10 Aug 1915 Gnr J Draper 28 Nov 1916 Gnr FA Emsley 11 Nov 1918 Gnr NJ Fraser 12 Oct 1918 Gnr HR Gough 10 Oct 1918 Gnr JW Knipe 14 Oct 1918 Gnr GH Marais 16 Mar 1917 Gnr RP Nicholas (of Robertson) 17 Sep 1919 Cpl GW O’Brian 11 Oct 1918 Bdr RT Oelson (of Paarl) 14 Oct 1918 Tmptr CB Smith 19 Oct 1918 Gnr WE Smith 19 Oct 1918 Gnr FD Stofberg 11 Oct 1918 Bdr AF Thompson 4 Feb 1918 Gnr JM Town 22 May 1918 Gnr NJ Van Blerk 13 Oct 1918 Gnr GF Wilkinson 8 Oct 1918 I have kept to the names, places, and spelling as in the newsletter so please do not jump on my head and tell me it is Mafikeng and not Mafeking, etc. I hope that this list is of assistance to some one. Regards, David Bossenger

My great-grandfather served in the Boer War, and I'm looking for help to determine what regiment he served in. His name was Alfred Darlow, born in Kempston, Bedfordshire County. I know he served in the royal field artillery as a gunner, and served for 12 years and 77 days, being discharged 8-19-1902 when he was 31 years old. He fought in the Battle of Belfast; Ladysmith Siege; Orange River Station; Laing's Nek?; and Tugela Heights. Also, I'm told he received medals, but he never picked them up. Does anybody know how to confirm this? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Sincerely, Lynn Wheeler

Hello Attie, Frans Jacob Labuschagne, adjudant to General Cronjé, and his wife, Hester Isabella (nee Visser), together with their grandson, Pietman, were kept on St Helena as Prisoners of war. They shared a cottage with General Cronjé and his secretary. FJ Labuschagne died 22 January 1902 and I presume he was buried on the island. Those are the only ones I am aware of. There are still a few photographs in existence which show FJL together with the general in group photos. I have a fleeting suspicion that "With the Flag to Pretoria," Vol. 2, contains one of these pictures. Hope this might be of some use to you. Best wishes, Herman Labuschagne -----Original Message----- From: Abraham Cornelius Labuschagne [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 19 December 2002 04:45 To: [email protected] Subject: [BOER-WAR] PRISONERS OF WAR - LABUSCHAGNE Goodday Could anyone let me know if any LABUSCHAGNE Boer soldiers were held at St Helena Island and also whether any of them passed away there. Thank you. Attie LAbuschagne ==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== Have you used Tree Tops? The Free FAMILY TREE & WE'LL MEET AGAIN SERVICE http://freespace.virgin.net/tree.tops ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Thank you everyone who answered my query. I have finally found Austin on the 1901 census and he wasnt in the army, he shows up as a General labourer. The reason I couldnt find him was the transcription yet again. The original sheet plainly shows Toy but the transcriber has him down as Joy !! Sharon .

Hi does any one know of a good place to start when looking for a deserter from the war.Name of Brooks or bond.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Welch" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2002 3:38 PM Subject: [BOER-WAR] DESERTERS > Hi does any one know of a good place to start when looking for a > deserter from the war.Name of Brooks or bond. Presumeably he was with the British army? If so, best place for you to start is with his military service record. (There are no extant lists of names of soldiers who deserted.) Start with his name, rank, and regiment, znd if possible, the date of his enlistment. Then extend your searches from there. In cases of deserters, often the most useful sources of info are the members of his family. Official documentation about deserters is very rare indeed. -- Sidney Allinson.

Having just discovered this list I send Christmas Greetings to All from Cornwall. I'm seeking any information on James Hicks Hollow, born 1872 and baptised at Pendeen, Nr. Penzance, Cornwall on 13 Mar 1872 and of any of his descendants. He reputedly fought with the Boers and is mentioned in NAAIRS as having been 'sent away as a prisoner of war' in 1901. Keith Hollow Goldsithney, Penzance

Hello Sharon, As far as I am aware soldiers serving in South Africa weren't included on the 1901 census although I have heard of a case of a man returning from SA and being included on a census return while in transit in Gibraltar. I have the Queen's South Africa Medal roll for the British cavalry including the Scots Greys (2nd Dragoons). This shows 4963 Pte. G. Toy 2nd Dragoons entitled to the medal with clasps Cape Colony, Orange Free State and Transvaal. Unfortunately, this clasp combination doesn't tell very much about his specific service in SA. Although the initial is different he may be your man or, if the family history is a bit muddled, another relative. Toy isn't a common name and the above is the only one on the entire British cavalry roll although there are two men called Toye including 4622 Pte. A.E. Toye 19th Hussars. He got the medal with clasps Defence of Ladysmith, Orange Free State, Laings Nek and Belfast which reveals a bit more about his service in SA. He was taken prisoner at Helvetia 29/12/1900 and released shortly afterwards. His name is shown as Toy on the casualty roll. Although either or neither of these men may be your great uncle you could engage a researcher to do a search for their attestation and service papers in series WO 97 at the PRO. Austin is also an unusual first name so this would enable a researcher to make a make a positive I.D. or rule out the man or men on any surviving papers. Regards, David ----- Original Message ----- From: Sharon.D. <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 10:44 PM Subject: [BOER-WAR] Re 1901 Census UK and Soldiers in Boer War. > Hi all, > Would soldiers on their way back to the UK from the Boer War in Africa have > been recorded in some way for the Census or would the fact that they were > "out" of the country mean they were not mentioned on records. > > I have a relative who may have been returning from the Boer War due to ill > health (family hearsay yet to confirm) but I can not find him on the Census > at all. He was my great grandfather Austin Toy born in 1882 with a > possible connection to the Scots Greys / Guards ? Sorry to be so vague he is > proving a bit of a mystery. > > Sharon .

Hi All: Anyone who has relatives who spent any time in South Africa or who may have died there, might want to get on this list. To subscribe, send a request to this email address: '[email protected]' this is the "subscribe" address. The people on this list are the friendliest and so knowledgeable about their country. I have been on the list for only one month and have already found 2 relatives I didn't know I had! And this from free lookups from not only listers, but from archivists! Get on the list and put out your request. You may well be amazed at the result. I am humbled and very grateful for all the help I have received from the people on this list. Many good wishes for the Yuletide season. Happy Hunting in the New Year. Many Blessings Janet in cool, rainy southern Ontario, Canada.

Hi Attie I know that the Boer War Museum in Bloemfontein had info on prisoners. Their website is @ http://www.anglo-boer.co.za/contacts.html Hope this is helpful Regards Deirdré Snook ----- Original Message ----- From: "Abraham Cornelius Labuschagne" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 2:45 PM Subject: [BOER-WAR] PRISONERS OF WAR - LABUSCHAGNE > Goodday > > Could anyone let me know if any LABUSCHAGNE Boer soldiers were held at St > Helena Island and also whether any of them passed away there. > > Thank you. > > Attie LAbuschagne > > ______________________________

I have looked for the Gosport Rifle Depot without luck and the troopship SS Saxon also no luck. Anyone with any ideas please ? Thanks Jim

Goodday Could anyone let me know if any LABUSCHAGNE Boer soldiers were held at St Helena Island and also whether any of them passed away there. Thank you. Attie LAbuschagne

Hi all, Would soldiers on their way back to the UK from the Boer War in Africa have been recorded in some way for the Census or would the fact that they were "out" of the country mean they were not mentioned on records. I have a relative who may have been returning from the Boer War due to ill health (family hearsay yet to confirm) but I can not find him on the Census at all. He was my great grandfather Austin Toy born in 1882 with a possible connection to the Scots Greys / Guards ? Sorry to be so vague he is proving a bit of a mystery. Sharon .

Hello Larry, 16413 Driver G. Oxford died of disease at Matjesfontein 13 April 1902. He is buried at Matjesfontein Cemetery and his grave is marked by a granite headstone. 84221 Gunner F. Oxford died of enteric fever at Ladysmith General Hospital 8 May 1900 (over two months after the siege ended - the 73rd Battery RFA were in the relief column). He is buried at Ladysmith Town Cemetery and is commemorated on the cemetery memorial although no individual grave marker survives. He was 27 years old and his religion is shown as C of E. These were the only two men called Oxford who died in the Boer War. Regards, David ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 11:47 AM Subject: [BOER-WAR] search for info on 2 x Boer War casualties > > Hello > > I would be grateful for any information on the following (possible) ancestors killed in the Boer War: > > Driver G.Oxford 44th battery RFA > Gunner F.Oxford 73rd battery RFA > > Both are listed on the Suffolk soldiers Boer War memorial in Bury St Edmunds. > > Many thanks > > Larry Allsop

Forwarded ~ please do NOT reply to me! ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 10:53 AM Subject: Subscribe Hello I would be grateful for any information on the following ancestors killed in the Boer War: Driver G.Oxford 44th battery RFA Gunner F.Oxford 73rd battery RFA Many thanks Larry Allsop --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by Expert Anti-Virus. Version: 6.0.427 / Virus Database: 240 - Release Date: 2002-06-Dec

Hi, I have a soldier said to have served in South Africa between 1891-94 in the CDS. Can anyone tell me what these letters stand for? This soldier served in Cape Colony, the Transvaal and at Wittenbergen. Thanks, David

Hello I would be grateful for any information on the following (possible) ancestors killed in the Boer War: Driver G.Oxford 44th battery RFA Gunner F.Oxford 73rd battery RFA Both are listed on the Suffolk soldiers Boer War memorial in Bury St Edmunds. Many thanks Larry Allsop

Hello Lucia, This is a strange one. There was no unit called the Imperial Light Cavalry. You are quite correct that the nearest to this name is the Imperial Light Horse and the next nearest is the Imperial Light Infantry. After that there is the Imperial Yeomanry, Imperial Yeomanry Scouts, Imperial Bearer Corps, Imperial Hospital Corps, Imperial Irregular Corps and Imperial Miltary Railways. It's interesting that you have his Queen's South Africa Medal although the clasps Cape Colony, Transvaal & South Africa 1901 don't reveal anything. It's not unknown for medals to have been privately renamed, either wholly or in part and I suspect that this is the case here. A possible scenario is that he was with another unit, possibly the Imperial Light Infantry, and had the word 'Infantry' replaced by 'Cavalry' to make his participation seem a bit more glamorous. The clasps indicate that he would have been a later recruit and by that time the ILI were mostly on unglamorous garrison duty. All of the above units were South African. Only the Imperial Yeomanry were a British formation but I have the medal rolls to the IY and he doesn't appear on them. If it's possible please send me a scan of the naming on the medal. If it comes out clearly enough I may be able to tell you if part or all of it is renamed as there are particular styles of official naming. Regards, David ----- Original Message ----- From: Lucia Williams-Young <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 10:11 PM Subject: [BOER-WAR] Imperial Light Calvary > Hello, > > I am trying to identify the unit my gr.uncle, HARRY REDFERN > CULLEY, belonged to during the Boer War. The family story is he ran away > from home at the age of 14, from Vanceboro, Maine, US to cousins in England > where he finished school and then joined the British Army. He served in > the Boer War, then WW1 in South Africa, and later in India and China. We > have letters from him, from after the Boer War and during WW1. > > We have a medal that says: > South Africa 1901 - Transvaal Cape Colony > 1405 - TRP H.R. Culley > Imperial Light Calvary > this medal has a portrait of Queen Victoria on the front side > > I have not been able to identify this medal or unit, either as a British > or Colonial. The closest I can find is the Imperial Light Horse, raised > 1899 in Natal and reorganized in 1902 in Johannesburg into the volunteer > Transvaal Army. > > Does anyone recognize the name ' Imperial Light Calvary' or could give > me some leads on where to look? > > If anyone could help me I would greatly appreciate it. > > Thank you Lucia in Maine,