Good Day, I am seeking information on an ancestor that was in the Boer War. His name was Mortimer C Herbert, and his number was No.37886. He served with the Imperial Yeomanry, with the 27th Bn. Is there information available on this unit, and are Military Service Records available where I could obtain a copy of his records? Any leads and information will be greatly appreciated. Many thanks in Advance. Wayne Holmes, Texas, U.S.A.

Hello Again, I was wondering if anyone could do a look up for me. I need to know which regiments were besieged in Ladysmith as well as all of the Regiments that took part in the town's liberation. Thanks to Bryan Slim, I have learned that this information is located in 'The Times History of the War in South Africa." Any help would be very, very appreciated. Thanks again, Jake

Hello Shirley, Only one man called Cutler is shown as died on service in the Boer War. My reference shows a discrepancy with his initial, quoting both T and J as being recorded. He was 5410 Private 1st Battalion South Staffordshire Regiment and he died of disease at Bethlehem 20/6/1901. This is a bit of a long shot for you. Your man may equally have been a civilian who died in SA at that time from causes unconnected with the war. Regards, David ----- Original Message ----- From: Shirley Johns <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 5:33 PM Subject: [BOER-WAR] casualties > Hello all, > > I am trying to find information regarding Charles CUTLER who was born 1875 @ > London and, according to family, died in South Africa during or just after > the Boer War. If anyone have access to a casualty list and wouldn't mind > checking it for Charles CUTLER, I would really appreciate it. Or, can > anyone suggest any on-line sources for such information? > > Thanks, > Shirley in USA

Hello, I am seeking information on an ancestor of mine that died in the Boer War circa 1901/02. His name was Mortimer C. Herbert, and he may have been recorded wifth the initial C. I would be grateful for any infromation that may be available. Many thanks in advance. Wayne S. Holmes, Texas, U.S.A.

Hello all, I am trying to find information regarding Charles CUTLER who was born 1875 @ London and, according to family, died in South Africa during or just after the Boer War. If anyone have access to a casualty list and wouldn't mind checking it for Charles CUTLER, I would really appreciate it. Or, can anyone suggest any on-line sources for such information? Thanks, Shirley in USA

Could anyone please tell me if there is any information regarding Casualty List for the Boar War Thanks Eileen New Zealand

Hi Margaret: Re General Gatacre, known as General Back-Acher because of his keenness for physical fitness see: http://www.bowlerhat.com.au/sawvl/bio_britmil.html Yours, John Wilson (Wellington, New Zealand) ----- Original Message ----- From: Margaret SHERIDAN <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, 20 February 2003 09:11 Subject: [BOER-WAR] Gatacre > Hello, > I am new to the list, but some of you may know me from other mailing lists. > I research the history of Alveley Village, nr Bridgnorth, Shropshire www.alveleyhistory.co.uk > > Sir William Forbes Gatacre, (son of Edward and Jessie Gatacre ) spent his childhood at Coton Hall, Alveley during the 1840's and early 1850's and I would very much appreciate learning more about him. > > Any biographical info on him or his family would be much appreciated - especially the names of his wife and any children > > I look forward to hearing from you > Best Wishes, > Margaret >

Hello, I am new to the list, but some of you may know me from other mailing lists. I research the history of Alveley Village, nr Bridgnorth, Shropshire www.alveleyhistory.co.uk Sir William Forbes Gatacre, (son of Edward and Jessie Gatacre ) spent his childhood at Coton Hall, Alveley during the 1840's and early 1850's and I would very much appreciate learning more about him. Any biographical info on him or his family would be much appreciated - especially the names of his wife and any children I look forward to hearing from you Best Wishes, Margaret

Hi, A Boer War Casualty Roll does exist, in book form I think, but I don't think it is online. However you could try www.lib.sun.ac.za/roh (you'll have to cut & paste) as a starting point, it lists those who died in the Boer war. Regards, John Lobb London, UK Researching in SA: - Lobb: Clements: Crickmore & Benson

Hello David, Thanks very much for that info. Am I correct in thinking that your source is the Boer War Casualty Roll? I know a fair bit about Trooper James Robert CRICKMORE, he was in the Bellair Troop of the NMR. I'm presently waiting for further information about him, which should confirm that he is one of the same name born in Suffolk, England. Have you any suggestions where I could get more about A. CRICKMORE? I suspect he may be my "missing" greatgrandfather, so I'm fairly keen to get more. Thanks again, Regards, John

Hello Brian, There is no J. Low in the casualty rolls. Although there are 4 men called J. Lowe none was drowned. There are numerous examples in the lists of men who drowned on service in SA but it's also possible that not all men who drowned were entered on the casualty returns. These were by no means perfect and essentially relied on the competence and thoroughness of the people who created and maintained them. There are two men called J. Kirkwood who died in the war but one was a New Zealander. This leaves 3981 Pte. J. Kirkwood 2nd Battalion Royal Highlanders (Black Watch) who was wounded in the disastrous battle of Magersfontein 11/12/1899 and died of wounds at Wynberg near Cape Town 17/12/1899. He was originally buried in the Presbyterian section of Kenilworth Cemetery but was subsequently exhumed and re-buried at Maitland Cemetery, both in Cape Town. His grave is marked by a granite headstone. His name is also on the cemetery memorial which incorrectly shows him as being in the Gordon Highlanders. He may or may not be your man but the Scottish connection might be significant. The problem in researching any further is that the attestation and service papers of regular soldiers who died on service don't exist as they were officially destroyed. You could try the Black Watch museum to see if they have any record of him even if it's only to confirm that his first name was or wasn't John. Their address is: Black Watch Museum Balhousie Castle Perth PH1 5HR Tel. 0131 310 8530 & Fax 0131 310 643245 Regards, David ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Low <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 5:35 PM Subject: [BOER-WAR] Re: [BOER-WAR S. A.John Low & John Kirkwood - BOER WAR CASUALTY > Hi; > > I am looking for any informaiton on John Low (born 1880 & died > about age 20 of rumored drowning is South Africa)& John Kirkwood ( I > have no information on his age or birth or death date), both from the > Montrose area of Scotland who died in the Boar War. > > Thanks for any help you can give me.. in researching S. A. Boar War > for John Low & John Kirkwood. > > Brian

Hi David; Thanks loads for the information you sent. Is there anyway to check out he 4 men called J. Lowe? I still get an "e" added to my last name and it may have happened here. eg. his father and mother were David Low and Catherine (Scott) Low Does the Black Watch Museum @ Balhousie Castle have an e-mail or web site? Brian >Hello Brian, > >There is no J. Low in the casualty rolls. Although there are 4 men called J. >Lowe none was drowned. There are numerous examples in the lists of men who >drowned on service in SA but it's also possible that not all men who drowned >were entered on the casualty returns. These were by no means perfect and >essentially relied on the competence and thoroughness of the people who >created and maintained them. > >There are two men called J. Kirkwood who died in the war but one was a New >Zealander. This leaves 3981 Pte. J. Kirkwood 2nd Battalion Royal Highlanders >(Black Watch) who was wounded in the disastrous battle of Magersfontein >11/12/1899 and died of wounds at Wynberg near Cape Town 17/12/1899. He was >originally buried in the Presbyterian section of Kenilworth Cemetery but >was subsequently exhumed and re-buried at Maitland Cemetery, both in Cape >Town. His grave is marked by a granite headstone. His name is also on the >cemetery memorial which incorrectly shows him as being in the Gordon >Highlanders. > >He may or may not be your man but the Scottish connection might be >significant. The problem in researching any further is that the attestation >and service papers of regular soldiers who died on service don't exist as >they were officially destroyed. You could try the Black Watch museum to see >if they have any record of him even if it's only to confirm that his first >name was or wasn't John. Their address is: > >Black Watch Museum >Balhousie Castle >Perth >PH1 5HR > >Tel. 0131 310 8530 & Fax 0131 310 643245 > >Regards, > >David > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Brian Low <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 5:35 PM >Subject: [BOER-WAR] Re: [BOER-WAR S. A.John Low & John Kirkwood - BOER WAR >CASUALTY > >> Hi; >> >> I am looking for any informaiton on John Low (born 1880 & died >> about age 20 of rumored drowning is South Africa)& John Kirkwood ( I >> have no information on his age or birth or death date), both from the >> Montrose area of Scotland who died in the Boar War. >> >> Thanks for any help you can give me.. in researching S. A. Boar War >> for John Low & John Kirkwood. >> >> Brian -- @*@@@@@*@@@@@*@@@@@*@*@@@@ @ Brian & Joan Low @ Box 67,Montney B.C., Canada V0C 1Y0 @ Phone/Fax: (250) 827-3874 @ e-mail: >[email protected]< @or >[email protected]< @*@@@@@*@@@@@*@@@@@*@@@@@* "INDECISION is the key to FLEXIBILITY" ==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== Have you used Tree Tops? The Free FAMILY TREE & WE'LL MEET AGAIN SERVICE http://freespace.virgin.net/tree.tops ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 -- @*@@@@@*@@@@@*@@@@@*@*@@@@ @ Brian & Joan Low @ Box 67,Montney B.C., Canada V0C 1Y0 @ Phone/Fax: (250) 827-3874 @ e-mail: >[email protected]< @or >[email protected]< @*@@@@@*@@@@@*@@@@@*@@@@@* "INDECISION is the key to FLEXIBILITY"

Hi David; Thanks loads for the information you sent. Is there anyway to check out he 4 men called J. Lowe? I still get an "e" added to my last name and it may have happened here. eg. his father and mother were David Low and Catherine (Scott) Low Does the Black Watch Museum @ Balhousie Castle have an e-mail or web site? Brian >Hello Brian, > >There is no J. Low in the casualty rolls. Although there are 4 men called J. >Lowe none was drowned. There are numerous examples in the lists of men who >drowned on service in SA but it's also possible that not all men who drowned >were entered on the casualty returns. These were by no means perfect and >essentially relied on the competence and thoroughness of the people who >created and maintained them. > >There are two men called J. Kirkwood who died in the war but one was a New >Zealander. This leaves 3981 Pte. J. Kirkwood 2nd Battalion Royal Highlanders >(Black Watch) who was wounded in the disastrous battle of Magersfontein >11/12/1899 and died of wounds at Wynberg near Cape Town 17/12/1899. He was >originally buried in the Presbyterian section of Kenilworth Cemetery but >was subsequently exhumed and re-buried at Maitland Cemetery, both in Cape >Town. His grave is marked by a granite headstone. His name is also on the >cemetery memorial which incorrectly shows him as being in the Gordon >Highlanders. > >He may or may not be your man but the Scottish connection might be >significant. The problem in researching any further is that the attestation >and service papers of regular soldiers who died on service don't exist as >they were officially destroyed. You could try the Black Watch museum to see >if they have any record of him even if it's only to confirm that his first >name was or wasn't John. Their address is: > >Black Watch Museum >Balhousie Castle >Perth >PH1 5HR > >Tel. 0131 310 8530 & Fax 0131 310 643245 > >Regards, > >David > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Brian Low <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 5:35 PM >Subject: [BOER-WAR] Re: [BOER-WAR S. A.John Low & John Kirkwood - BOER WAR >CASUALTY > >> Hi; >> >> I am looking for any informaiton on John Low (born 1880 & died >> about age 20 of rumored drowning is South Africa)& John Kirkwood ( I >> have no information on his age or birth or death date), both from the >> Montrose area of Scotland who died in the Boar War. >> >> Thanks for any help you can give me.. in researching S. A. Boar War >> for John Low & John Kirkwood. >> >> Brian -- @*@@@@@*@@@@@*@@@@@*@*@@@@ @ Brian & Joan Low @ Box 67,Montney B.C., Canada V0C 1Y0 @ Phone/Fax: (250) 827-3874 @ e-mail: >[email protected]< @or >[email protected]< @*@@@@@*@@@@@*@@@@@*@@@@@* "INDECISION is the key to FLEXIBILITY" ==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== Have you used Tree Tops? The Free FAMILY TREE & WE'LL MEET AGAIN SERVICE http://freespace.virgin.net/tree.tops ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 -- @*@@@@@*@@@@@*@@@@@*@*@@@@ @ Brian & Joan Low @ Box 67,Montney B.C., Canada V0C 1Y0 @ Phone/Fax: (250) 827-3874 @ e-mail: >[email protected]< @or >[email protected]< @*@@@@@*@@@@@*@@@@@*@@@@@* "INDECISION is the key to FLEXIBILITY"

Hi David; Thanks loads for the information you sent. Is there anyway to check out he 4 men called J. Lowe? I still get an "e" added to my last name and it may have happened here. eg. his father and mother were David Low and Catherine (Scott) Low Does the Black Watch Museum @ Balhousie Castle have an e-mail or web site? Brian >Hello Brian, > >There is no J. Low in the casualty rolls. Although there are 4 men called J. >Lowe none was drowned. There are numerous examples in the lists of men who >drowned on service in SA but it's also possible that not all men who drowned >were entered on the casualty returns. These were by no means perfect and >essentially relied on the competence and thoroughness of the people who >created and maintained them. > >There are two men called J. Kirkwood who died in the war but one was a New >Zealander. This leaves 3981 Pte. J. Kirkwood 2nd Battalion Royal Highlanders >(Black Watch) who was wounded in the disastrous battle of Magersfontein >11/12/1899 and died of wounds at Wynberg near Cape Town 17/12/1899. He was >originally buried in the Presbyterian section of Kenilworth Cemetery but >was subsequently exhumed and re-buried at Maitland Cemetery, both in Cape >Town. His grave is marked by a granite headstone. His name is also on the >cemetery memorial which incorrectly shows him as being in the Gordon >Highlanders. > >He may or may not be your man but the Scottish connection might be >significant. The problem in researching any further is that the attestation >and service papers of regular soldiers who died on service don't exist as >they were officially destroyed. You could try the Black Watch museum to see >if they have any record of him even if it's only to confirm that his first >name was or wasn't John. Their address is: > >Black Watch Museum >Balhousie Castle >Perth >PH1 5HR > >Tel. 0131 310 8530 & Fax 0131 310 643245 > >Regards, > >David > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Brian Low <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 5:35 PM >Subject: [BOER-WAR] Re: [BOER-WAR S. A.John Low & John Kirkwood - BOER WAR >CASUALTY > > >> Hi; >> >> I am looking for any informaiton on John Low (born 1880 & died >> about age 20 of rumored drowning is South Africa)& John Kirkwood ( I >> have no information on his age or birth or death date), both from the >> Montrose area of Scotland who died in the Boar War. >> >> Thanks for any help you can give me.. in researching S. A. Boar War >> for John Low & John Kirkwood. >> >> Brian -- @*@@@@@*@@@@@*@@@@@*@*@@@@ @ Brian & Joan Low @ Box 67,Montney B.C., Canada V0C 1Y0 @ Phone/Fax: (250) 827-3874 @ e-mail: >[email protected]< @or >[email protected]< @*@@@@@*@@@@@*@@@@@*@@@@@* "INDECISION is the key to FLEXIBILITY"

Hello John, Although this is not exactly what you are looking for I can confirm that Civilian Conductor A. Crickmore, attached Army Service Corps, died of enteric at Piet Retief 17/3/1901. His place of burial is unknown and no more details are given in the reference I have. There is one other man of the same name who died in the Boer War and you may be interested in his details. Trooper J.R. Crickmore, Natal Mounted Rifles, was killed by shellfire at Ladysmith 30/11/1899 and is buried in Ladysmith Town Cemetery. No individual grave marker survives but his name is on the cemetery memorial and on the panels commemorating those who died during the siege or relief of Ladysmith at All Saint's Church in Ladysmith. Regards, David ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 9:17 AM Subject: [BOER-WAR] A. CRICKMORE - BOER WAR CASUALTY > Hello listers, > > I wonder if any of you can help me with A. CRICKMORE, who died of enteric > fever in 1901 at Piet Retief. Particularly useful would be a first name and > age, but every little bit helps... > > Thank you very much, > > John Lobb > Researching in SA Crickmore, Lobb, Benson, Clements

Hi; I am looking for any informaiton on John Low (born 1880 & died about age 20 of rumored drowning is South Africa)& John Kirkwood ( I have no information on his age or birth or death date), both from the Montrose area of Scotland who died in the Boar War. Thanks for any help you can give me.. in researching S. A. Boar War for John Low & John Kirkwood. Brian -- @*@@@@@*@@@@@*@@@@@*@*@@@@ @ Brian & Joan Low @ Box 67,Montney B.C., Canada V0C 1Y0 @ Phone/Fax: (250) 827-3874 @ e-mail: >[email protected]< @or >[email protected]< @*@@@@@*@@@@@*@@@@@*@@@@@* "INDECISION is the key to FLEXIBILITY"

Hello listers, I wonder if any of you can help me with A. CRICKMORE, who died of enteric fever in 1901 at Piet Retief. Particularly useful would be a first name and age, but every little bit helps... Thank you very much, John Lobb Researching in SA Crickmore, Lobb, Benson, Clements

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Dear List, I have just found a family member on the 1901 census for Lincolnshire, UK (where he belongs) but he has a wife and child born in Cape Colony, Queenstown, South Africa. In 1891 he was living at home in Grimsby, Lincolnshire with his parents and was a coachbuilders apprentice. Do you think that he had been out to SA fought in the Boer War and returned home? If so where can I get information to confirm this? If not what was he doing out there, are there shipping lists to SA? Any help to solve this little puzzle would be gratefully received. Thanks, Gillian Fynes (nee Collinson) 1901 Census RG13/3090/96 24 Anderson Street, Grimsby Herbert COLLINSON married aged 26 Coachman Groom Born Grimsby, Lincolnshire Maude wife aged 24 Born Cape Colony, Queenstown, South Africa Gertrude L daughter aged 3 Born Cape Colony, Queenstown, South Africa