Good morning. I own a set of medals from Great-Grandfather who fought in the Anglo-Boer War [1899-1902] and WWI. His "Queen's South Africa Medal" has three clasps stating the following... Transvaal Orange Free State Cape Colony What does this signify, exactly? Furthermore, the inscription on the rim states, 4013 Pvte T. Parkes 7 / Dn. Gds. I'm interpreting this inscription to mean that he served in the 7th Dragoon Guards. Is this an accurate assumption? Finally, can someone explain how, back in the 1890s, a young man would enter the 7th Dragoons as opposed, to say, the 1st? Was it based on your geographical location? Or did you, as the entrant, have a choice? In short, what determined which men were assigned to each of the British army's regiments/divisions? Cheers, David Parkes ===== E-mail: [email protected] [H] [email protected] [W] AOL IM: smethwickman Phone: (972) 731-9243 [H] | (972) 528-2913 [W] (469) 337-6986 [M] | (928) 244-2565 [F] __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com

Hello Margaret, He shows up in the WW1 casualties as being in the 16th Lancers but there is no Bannister on the Queen's South Africa Medal (QSA) roll of the 16th Lancers. There is only one R. Bannister shown in the cavalry roll: 5229 Pte. R. Bannister 5th Lancers taken prisoner Kleinwaaihoek 9/3/1901 & released. QSA with clasps Cape Colony, Orange Free State, Transvaal, South Africa 1901 & South Africa 1902. In view of the uncertainty of his unit this may or may not be your man. If you haven't already done so you can download his WW1 burial or memorial details from the Commonwealth War Graves site at www.cwgc.org.uk . Regards, David ----- Original Message ----- From: Margaret Sheridan <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 2:55 PM Subject: [BOER-WAR] new lister > Hi there, > Can anyone help me with any info on Robert James BANNISTER ?? > Robert was born in Birmingham around 1876 and joined the Army at 16 and is > believed to have served in the 16th The Queens Lancers in South Africia > during the Boer War. > > He later returned to England married Lou France and became a stone quarryman > in Alveley, Shropshire > ( although still remaining some type of reserve) > At the outbreak of WW1 he returned to his regiment and was killed in a gas > attack near Ypres. > > Any help tracing info on his life in the Boer War would be much appreciated > Best Wishes, > Margaret

A number of South African (Boer) War Links & References: http://www.au.af.mil/au/aul/bibs/boer/boerwr.htm Yours, John Wilson (Wellington, New Zealand)

Margaret have you tried the 1881 census which is free on line at www.familysearch.com? click search then census and put in as much information as you have - this will give you a list of folk with that name and age range click on name to view individual's sheet and then on household (top right of screen) to see who he was living with - this will give you details of his parents that you can pursue forwards and backwards regards Wendy _________________________________________________________________ Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger

Hi there, Can anyone help me with any info on Robert James BANNISTER ?? Robert was born in Birmingham around 1876 and joined the Army at 16 and is believed to have served in the 16th The Queens Lancers in South Africia during the Boer War. He later returned to England married Lou France and became a stone quarryman in Alveley, Shropshire ( although still remaining some type of reserve) At the outbreak of WW1 he returned to his regiment and was killed in a gas attack near Ypres. Any help tracing info on his life in the Boer War would be much appreciated Best Wishes, Margaret _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail messages direct to your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile

Hello, I wonder if some kind soul could help me. I'm trying to track down my greatgrandfather Benjamin Kendall, born Aston, Warwickshire 1877. Family runour is that he served in both the Boer and Great Wars. We've found him on the 1918 Absent Voters Register and Great War Medal Roll listed as G184 Pte Benjamin Kendall Royal Munster Fusiliers. Is there any way (other than trying to source his service records) of finding out whether he served in the RMF during the Boer War? Many thanks, Sarah Birch _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail messages direct to your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile

Hello David, Thank you for the info, I will try another reseacher. Terry

John, Thank you so very much for this link and referenced. It's the most complete reference on the Boer-War I've seen yet. I have been looking for something this complete for a while now. Regards, Tom Pittsburgh, Pa -----Original Message----- From: John Wilson [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 12:32 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [BOER-WAR] BOER-WAR Websites & References A number of South African (Boer) War Links & References: http://www.au.af.mil/au/aul/bibs/boer/boerwr.htm Yours, John Wilson (Wellington, New Zealand) ==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== C J Genealogical Collections Web Page http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hello, I have a picture of my Grandfather taken around 1890. Is there anyway I can tell if this was one of the Scarlet uniforms that were in use then. He fought in East India, Boer War and Great War. Kate ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan O'Connor" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 1:41 PM Subject: [BOER-WAR] Militia Trainings > Hello All, > > My Grandfather was in a Militia Reserve unit with the Royal Irish > Regiment. In January 1900, he and his unit were mobilized whereupon > they traveled to SA and fought in the Boer War. > > If have recently obtained a copy of his Militia Reserve, RIR's > Attestation Papers. There is a question/answer on the second page of > the papers that I don't understand. The question asks what "No. of > Militia trainings the man has served?" and the answer is "4". > > Does anyone happen to know if the '4 trainings' refers to 4 years in the > Militia or attending some type of Militia training, say, once a year for > 4 years? > > Any information would be much appreciated. > Susan > > > > -- > > Researching: CONNOR, KENNEDY, CAHILL, KENNA or KENNAN, FARRELL, > LADEROUTE, HICKSON, NAUGHTON > > ______________________________

Robin - It might have been me but even if not I can confirm that 32481 Cpl. William Wainwright 111th (Yorkshire Dragoons) Co, Imperial Yeomanry was awarded the QSA with clasps Cape Colony, Orange Free State, Transvaal, South Africa 1901 & South Africa 1902. 32486 Trooper Smith Wainwright was in the same company and by his number must have enlisted at the same time. He got the same clasps on his medal. Service papers for both survive in series WO 128 at the PRO. Regards, David ----- Original Message ----- From: Robin Wainwright <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 10:43 AM Subject: [BOER-WAR] Yorkshire dragoons > A few weeks ago someone very kindly gave me a PRO reference for a possible reference for my grandfather Cpl William Wainwright. Unfortunately |I succeeded in inadvertantly deleting a number of emails including that one. I would be grateful if the person concerned could let me have it again. > Best wishes > Robin

Hello Tara, The casualty lists show 5 men called A. Morgan who died in the Boer War plus one each A.A. (an officer), A.B. and A.J. The details of the man you mention, who in view of the Willenhall connection would seem to be the most likely candidate, are: 5973 Pte. A. Morgan 2nd Battalion East Kent Regiment killed in action Driefontein 10/3/1900. Buried in Bosrand Cemetery at Driefontein. There is no individual named grave marker so his must be one of those marked with a metal cross as 'unknown'. Driefontein was a major battle for which a specific clasp was issued on the Queen's South Africa Medal (QSA) to those who took part. The East Kents were heavily involved and lost about 21 killed and 72 wounded. As a regular soldier who died on service his service papers will not have survived. The medal rolls survive and his entry will show his qualification for the QSA and clasps but probably nothing more except that he was KIA. My guess is that he qualified for the clasps Relief of Kimberley, Paardeberg and Driefontein which were usual for 2/East Kents. This can be checked at the PRO. The PRO subseries reference for the East Kents is WO 100/167. Regards, David ----- Original Message ----- From: Tara Hopkins <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 7:25 PM Subject: [BOER-WAR] A Morgan - East Kent Regiment - 2nd Batallion > A relative of mine, Albert Peter Morgan (born 2 Nov 1877), lived in > Willenhall and I believe he died in the Boer War. I have now been made > aware of an inscription on the memorial in Willenhall that says an A > Morgan was in the East Kent Regiment, 2nd Batallion. > > Can anyone help me identify whether this is my Albert Morgan and provide > any details of his death? > > Thanks in advance for any help. > > Tara Hopkins > Buckinghamshire, UK

Hello Terry, Basically your researcher didn't know what she was doing. She looked in the WO 97 series but this is for regular soldiers. Papers for Militia soldiers, which have survived pretty well complete, are in series WO 96. Another search by a competent researcher should give you the desired result. Regards, David ----- Original Message ----- From: Terence Whelan <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 6:18 PM Subject: [BOER-WAR] R.Whelan. 4th Liverpool Reg. > Hi List, > My G/father RICHARD WHELAN served in the Boer War, I have Army Form E 606 Headed. Militia and Militia Reserve. > Corps. 4th Liverpool Regt.(Militia) No. 5107Pte R. Whelan W.gton. 15-10-1902. I engaged a researcher to find him at Kew P.R.O. She could not find his service documents 1900-1913 in WO97/6215. She did however find inW/O 100/172 his entitlement to S.Africa Medal issued 1st April 1901.and clasps for Cape Colony and the Transvaal signed Lt .Col.W.H.Hand Polfontein Transvaal S. Africa 30 May 1902. I found him in the 1901 Census living with his family in lodgings in Warrington aged 28 yrs. Where can I find his Army Records?. > Terry.

Hello All, My Grandfather was in a Militia Reserve unit with the Royal Irish Regiment. In January 1900, he and his unit were mobilized whereupon they traveled to SA and fought in the Boer War. If have recently obtained a copy of his Militia Reserve, RIR's Attestation Papers. There is a question/answer on the second page of the papers that I don't understand. The question asks what "No. of Militia trainings the man has served?" and the answer is "4". Does anyone happen to know if the '4 trainings' refers to 4 years in the Militia or attending some type of Militia training, say, once a year for 4 years? Any information would be much appreciated. Susan -- Researching: CONNOR, KENNEDY, CAHILL, KENNA or KENNAN, FARRELL, LADEROUTE, HICKSON, NAUGHTON

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Hi Brian, I'm afraid my research into the Black Watch hasn't stretched too far at the moment. All I have is a list of names who are commemorated on the War Memorial to the Boer War dead in Edinburgh. I'm afraid that it doesn't list a John Low as either killed in action or dying from disease. What I can do is get you the address of the Black Watch museum as well as some other contacts which may be able to help you. I know that one of the battalions of the Black Watch was stationed in India during the war as my great-uncle died of jaundice while there. I'll get back to you with some details if you like.Perhaps someone else on this list can help you out? David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Low" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 3:54 PM Subject: Re: [BOER-WAR] Boer War - death certificate? > Hi David; > > I'm looking into my Grandfather's brother, John Low who enlisted with > the Black Watch in 1902 and seems to have died in South Africa about > 1902 as well. You don't have anything on this Regiment do you? this > John Low was born in Montrose, Scotland and enlisted with the > Montrose - Forfar group. > > Any help would be great. I was in Scotland researching 3 years ago > but never considered looking into the Black Watch at that time.. > > Thanks for any help you could give me. > > Brian > > > > >Hi Carole, > > > >Can I ask what your great-grandfather's name was and where he came from? I'm > >currently researching the casualties for the Scottish regiments and I have a > >list of the casualties for the Scottish Rifles who were born in Scotland. > >This was taken from New Register House in Edinburgh. This list was taken > >from the Casualty Returns and details everyone was was Scots-born. > >Unfortunately, the staff at New Register House told me it might not be 100% > >accurate as a few Scots may have slipped through the net. It also doesn't > >provide much information. For most regiemtns it lists the name rank and > >number. Only in some cases does it state cause of death or place of death. > > > >I would be very interested in hearing what information you have about your > >great-grandfather as I am working on the Highland Light Infantry just now, > >but intend to follow with the Scottish Rifles. > > > >David McNay > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Noden" <[email protected]> > >To: <[email protected]> > >Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2003 8:23 PM > >Subject: [BOER-WAR] Boer War - death certificate? > > > > > >> Hello listers, > >> > >> I have rejoined after a long absence and wonder if someone could help me > >> with a little query. > >> > >> My greatgrandfather was in the Scottish Rifles and died (of dysentery) in > >> Pietermaritizburg on 7th March 1900. > >> > >> Would there be an entry in the GRO Index and therefore a birth certificate > >> for him? > >> > >> Would be grateful if someone could answer this. > >> > >> Thank you, > >> Carole > >> > >> > >> > >> ==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== > >> C J Genealogical Collections > >> Web Page http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections > >> > >> ============================== > >> To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > >go to: > >> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >> > > > > > >==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== > >C J Genealogical Collections > >Web Page http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections > > > >============================== > >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > >records, go to: > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > -- > @*@@@@@*@@@@@*@@@@@*@*@@@@ > @ Brian & Joan Low > @ Box 67,Montney B.C., Canada V0C 1Y0 > @ Phone/Fax: (250) 827-3874 > @ e-mail: >[email protected]< > @or >[email protected]< > @http://members.shaw.ca/familylow/ > @*@@@@@*@@@@@*@@@@@*@@* > "INDECISION is the key to FLEXIBILITY" > > > ==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== > Have you used Tree Tops? > The Free FAMILY TREE & WE'LL MEET AGAIN SERVICE > http://freespace.virgin.net/tree.tops > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hello Brian, You sent this message to me. Did you mean to send it to David or did you mean to send me a copy? Thought I would let you know just in case you are waiting for a reply from David and it doesn't appear. Carole ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Low" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: 29 June 2003 15:54 Subject: Re: [BOER-WAR] Boer War - death certificate? > Hi David; > > I'm looking into my Grandfather's brother, John Low who enlisted with > the Black Watch in 1902 and seems to have died in South Africa about > 1902 as well. You don't have anything on this Regiment do you? this > John Low was born in Montrose, Scotland and enlisted with the > Montrose - Forfar group. > > Any help would be great. I was in Scotland researching 3 years ago > but never considered looking into the Black Watch at that time.. > > Thanks for any help you could give me. > > Brian > > > > >Hi Carole, > > > >Can I ask what your great-grandfather's name was and where he came from? I'm > >currently researching the casualties for the Scottish regiments and I have a > >list of the casualties for the Scottish Rifles who were born in Scotland. > >This was taken from New Register House in Edinburgh. This list was taken > >from the Casualty Returns and details everyone was was Scots-born. > >Unfortunately, the staff at New Register House told me it might not be 100% > >accurate as a few Scots may have slipped through the net. It also doesn't > >provide much information. For most regiemtns it lists the name rank and > >number. Only in some cases does it state cause of death or place of death. > > > >I would be very interested in hearing what information you have about your > >great-grandfather as I am working on the Highland Light Infantry just now, > >but intend to follow with the Scottish Rifles. > > > >David McNay > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Noden" <[email protected]> > >To: <[email protected]> > >Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2003 8:23 PM > >Subject: [BOER-WAR] Boer War - death certificate? > > > > > >> Hello listers, > >> > >> I have rejoined after a long absence and wonder if someone could help me > >> with a little query. > >> > >> My greatgrandfather was in the Scottish Rifles and died (of dysentery) in > >> Pietermaritizburg on 7th March 1900. > >> > >> Would there be an entry in the GRO Index and therefore a birth certificate > >> for him? > >> > >> Would be grateful if someone could answer this. > >> > >> Thank you, > >> Carole > >> > >> > >> > >> ==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== > >> C J Genealogical Collections > >> Web Page http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections > >> > >> ============================== > >> To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > >go to: > >> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >> > > > > > >==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== > >C J Genealogical Collections > >Web Page http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections > > > >============================== > >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > >records, go to: > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > -- > @*@@@@@*@@@@@*@@@@@*@*@@@@ > @ Brian & Joan Low > @ Box 67,Montney B.C., Canada V0C 1Y0 > @ Phone/Fax: (250) 827-3874 > @ e-mail: >[email protected]< > @or >[email protected]< > @http://members.shaw.ca/familylow/ > @*@@@@@*@@@@@*@@@@@*@@* > "INDECISION is the key to FLEXIBILITY" > > > ==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== > Have you used Tree Tops? > The Free FAMILY TREE & WE'LL MEET AGAIN SERVICE > http://freespace.virgin.net/tree.tops > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi Carole, Can I ask what your great-grandfather's name was and where he came from? I'm currently researching the casualties for the Scottish regiments and I have a list of the casualties for the Scottish Rifles who were born in Scotland. This was taken from New Register House in Edinburgh. This list was taken from the Casualty Returns and details everyone was was Scots-born. Unfortunately, the staff at New Register House told me it might not be 100% accurate as a few Scots may have slipped through the net. It also doesn't provide much information. For most regiemtns it lists the name rank and number. Only in some cases does it state cause of death or place of death. I would be very interested in hearing what information you have about your great-grandfather as I am working on the Highland Light Infantry just now, but intend to follow with the Scottish Rifles. David McNay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Noden" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2003 8:23 PM Subject: [BOER-WAR] Boer War - death certificate? > Hello listers, > > I have rejoined after a long absence and wonder if someone could help me > with a little query. > > My greatgrandfather was in the Scottish Rifles and died (of dysentery) in > Pietermaritizburg on 7th March 1900. > > Would there be an entry in the GRO Index and therefore a birth certificate > for him? > > Would be grateful if someone could answer this. > > Thank you, > Carole > > > > ==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== > C J Genealogical Collections > Web Page http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hi David; I'm looking into my Grandfather's brother, John Low who enlisted with the Black Watch in 1902 and seems to have died in South Africa about 1902 as well. You don't have anything on this Regiment do you? this John Low was born in Montrose, Scotland and enlisted with the Montrose - Forfar group. Any help would be great. I was in Scotland researching 3 years ago but never considered looking into the Black Watch at that time.. Thanks for any help you could give me. Brian >Hi Carole, > >Can I ask what your great-grandfather's name was and where he came from? I'm >currently researching the casualties for the Scottish regiments and I have a >list of the casualties for the Scottish Rifles who were born in Scotland. >This was taken from New Register House in Edinburgh. This list was taken >from the Casualty Returns and details everyone was was Scots-born. >Unfortunately, the staff at New Register House told me it might not be 100% >accurate as a few Scots may have slipped through the net. It also doesn't >provide much information. For most regiemtns it lists the name rank and >number. Only in some cases does it state cause of death or place of death. > >I would be very interested in hearing what information you have about your >great-grandfather as I am working on the Highland Light Infantry just now, >but intend to follow with the Scottish Rifles. > >David McNay >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Noden" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2003 8:23 PM >Subject: [BOER-WAR] Boer War - death certificate? > > >> Hello listers, >> >> I have rejoined after a long absence and wonder if someone could help me >> with a little query. >> >> My greatgrandfather was in the Scottish Rifles and died (of dysentery) in >> Pietermaritizburg on 7th March 1900. >> >> Would there be an entry in the GRO Index and therefore a birth certificate >> for him? >> >> Would be grateful if someone could answer this. >> >> Thank you, >> Carole >> >> >> >> ==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== >> C J Genealogical Collections >> Web Page http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections >> >> ============================== >> To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >> > > >==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== >C J Genealogical Collections >Web Page http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy >records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 -- @*@@@@@*@@@@@*@@@@@*@*@@@@ @ Brian & Joan Low @ Box 67,Montney B.C., Canada V0C 1Y0 @ Phone/Fax: (250) 827-3874 @ e-mail: >[email protected]< @or >[email protected]< @http://members.shaw.ca/familylow/ @*@@@@@*@@@@@*@@@@@*@@* "INDECISION is the key to FLEXIBILITY"

Hello Carole! Small world. I've just got back from the National Archives ((PRO) at Kew researching a Boer War officer. Anyway, to answer your question, there are indexes at the Family Records Centre (FRC) dealing with armed forces war deaths from 1899-1948 that you can use to obtain a death certificate. The series you need is Natal and South Africa Forces 1899-1902. These indexes are also at the National Archives. I don't know how detailed any certificate will be. Some I have for the First World War simply state 'Killed in Action, France'. You may also find some useful information in the War Office (WO) series at the National Archives. All the best Gary (Samson) Canterbury, Kent > -----Original Message----- > From: Noden [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: 28 June 2003 8:23 pm > To: [email protected] > Subject: [BOER-WAR] Boer War - death certificate? > > > Hello listers, > > I have rejoined after a long absence and wonder if someone > could help me with a little query. > > My greatgrandfather was in the Scottish Rifles and died (of > dysentery) in Pietermaritizburg on 7th March 1900. > > Would there be an entry in the GRO Index and therefore a > birth certificate for him? > > Would be grateful if someone could answer this. > > Thank you, > Carole

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