Thanks to Sue Light for pointing out that I had misssed the htm bit at the end of the web page address. That will of course make a difference! May I also mention that the Info bit in the address given by Sue should have a capital I rather than a small i. We'll get there in the end! ATB James

minstart & listers - I logged into the introductory page to make sure it was available before I replied to Steve and it was. I did so again immediately after receiving minstart's message that it was unavailable and again accessed it without any problem. N.B. I typed in the full address on my browser rather than clicking a link so maybe that made a difference. ATB James

James, the page you cite 'is not available' >Steve - When joining the list members are invited to check out the research >information page at http://freespace.virgin.net/anglers.rest/BWInfo before >posting a query. This is a pretty comprehensive introduction to >researching Boer >War soldiers which will answer your questions. ATB James. > > >==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== >Boer War Reading >http://freespace.virgin.net/anglers.rest/BoerWarReading.htm > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy >records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hello Andy, The Colonial Scouts were a short lived unit, formed in December 1899 and disbanded in April 1900. They were mainly involved in scouting duties in Zululand and in the Zululand/Transvaal border areas but saw very little fighting. Upon disbandment most of the scouts, including your man, joined other colonial units. The C-in-C's Bodyguard was formed in January 1900 as Lord Roberts's bodyguard but after his return to the UK in the second half of 1900 the unit was expanded into an operational regiment of about 600 officers and men. They had 17 killed, including their CO, near Lindley 3/1/1901 and were involved in further sharp actions in the Orange Free State in February and March 1901. From April to July they were attached to a column operating in the Eastern Transvaal and although they had no serious fighting during this time at the end of July they were involved in another skirmish which resulted in two killed and more wounded. It was disbanded soon after. I assume that additional payments were due to the Colonial Scouts for operating away from their home area in Zululand (they were a Natal unit), perhaps as a kind of 'danger money'. The chocolate boxes are regularly seen in the UK at antique fairs, particularly specialised militaria fairs, and there might be the odd one on eBay now and again. They are mostly red with some gold coloured edging so are quite distinctive and I think are usually priced around £40. I have seen details of some at auction which still contain the chocolate. Regards, David

Hi Steve not Boer War but do you have his 1891 census details - in case you do not living at 20 Alfred Street, Birmingham, all born Birmingham John H Buckingham, head, 36, lithographic printer Mary E, wife, 39 Erasmus, son, 14, litho layer Sydney, 11 Lillian, 9 Henry, 7 Archie, 3 Daisy 2 piece number is RG12/2395/53/3 regards Wendy _________________________________________________________________ Find a cheaper internet access deal - choose one to suit you. http://www.msn.co.uk/internetaccess

Steve - When joining the list members are invited to check out the research information page at http://freespace.virgin.net/anglers.rest/BWInfo before posting a query. This is a pretty comprehensive introduction to researching Boer War soldiers which will answer your questions. ATB James.

[email protected] Andy wrote> Hello Listers, > I am tracing the life of William Duthie. During the Boer War he joined the > Colonial Scouts. He then joined G Squadron of the Commander-in-Chiefs > Bodyguard. Also, what did G squadron of the C-in-C bodyguard do? Regards Andy Dear Andy, I wrote the following as part of a history of my ancestor Private - later Trooper Harry Laver, of Compton's Horse and then of Lord Robert's Bodyguard. The text contains quotes from contemp[orary newspaper reports, - and the whole may answer some of your questions about the irregular Horse, and about what grew from small beginning to be an official Unit of Irregular Cavalry - The Commander In Chief's Bodyguard. I hope you will find it to be of interest. Cordially, Julian Wilson, Family Historian. Compton's Horse had by this time been considerably lessened. A great many personnel had left to join other Irregular corps (inter-Unit "poaching" of good men was rife in South Africa at this time) - and several had taken Commissions in Line and Mounted Regiments, a number of our NCO's "bettering themselves" in this way. Although two-thirds of Compton's Horse had left, the remaining one-third had a very trying and precarious time round Johannesburg (on Mounted Police Patrol duties). There would be five or ten of them billeted on different farms, and the Boers would come up every now and then, and surround the place, and snipe at anyone who showed themselves; then be gone again before a superior force could arrive. Two troopers were killed on two occasions; and one on another; - eight or ten men being lost in that way. (Those listed on the Medal Roll as KIA were Ptes. A. Ferrand, C. Hamilton, and C.H. Warren). During this time General Lord Roberts was in Johannesburg; and six members of Compton's Horse acted as his Personal Mounted Escort, (read "Commander-in-Chief’s Bodyguard"). The Company were engaged in this work until December, 1900; when they were sent to Pretoria, and acted as General Lord Kitchener's Orderlies, and for communicating with the various Colonels near Pretoria. Later, they also formed Lord Kitchener's personal Mounted Escort - as they had for Lord Roberts. On Christmas Day, 1900, it was thought that the Boers might mount an attack on Pretoria, and on Christmas Eve, about a dozen men of Compton's Horse slept on the lawn of Lord Kitchener's house, saddled-up and ready to escort Lord Kitchener at any moment. This was how two or three Bedford men spent their Christmas eleven years ago. The Company camp was a terribly marshy place near Pretoria, and nearly all the party had a turn in hospital, several being invalided home after their recovery. About one-third of the Troop were left, (out of a total of 290 personnel from the 1st and 2nd Drafts) who returned home the following (1901) summer, and were received at Bedford with the hearty reception they richly deserved. They were met at the railway station by the Mayor and escorted through the Town by an enthusiastic crowd to the Barracks, where the men were entertained to dinner by Lord Alwyne Compton, (now promoted Major). This period of Active Service in South Africa will always be remembered by those who took part in it. All members of the Yeomanry know how punctilious the Late Lord Alwyne Compton was in the matter of dress, and that he would insist upon anything which would conduce to a smart appearance. At the recent Church Parade at Bedford, he drew attention to the fact that several troopers had too long hair, which was unsoldierlike. He kept his men in South Africa up to this standard; with the result that they were known as the "Shiny 10th†". [† Comment - why the "Shiny 10th"? The Troop's No. was The 28th Company of I.Y.? Is this an error by the 1912 Reporter, confused by Lord Alwyne's original Commission in the 10th Hussars?] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Hall" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 5:56 PM Subject: [BOER-WAR] G Squadron Commander-in-chief

Please unsuscribed !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: Jean and Brian Cook <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 10:27 AM Subject: [BOER-WAR] great uncles connor > Hello Listers, > We are researching the lives of three of our great uncles who fought in the > British army. All were born in Liverpool and are pictured at: > www.shandoncooks.btinternet.co.uk/militarypage.htm > Variants of this message will be cross-posted on Boer War, WWI, Connor and > O'Connor lists. There is no consistency in their usage of Connor/O'Connor. > > Patrick Joseph, b 1878: Picture taken at Windmillhill. He fought in the Boer > War and ultimately settled in South Africa. Can anyone identify the > uniform/regiment? It would help us to start looking for his record at the > PRO. Note the woman on the right! We think the picture was taken after the > Boer War, but is it possible that he did not return to the UK after the War > but was discharged and remained in South Africa? > > John Edward [Jack] b 1887: We have no information on his war service. He > appears to be in the RFA but does not appear in the medal rolls and we have > not found him elsewhere in surviving records at the PRO. The conclusion is > he stayed in the UK throughout the war. He was an expert horseman. Could he > have served throughout in the Remount Section? He had gone to the USA and > returned to the UK for army service. After the war, he went back to the USA > [NY/NJ] but we have no documentary evidence of his life there. > > Thomas William [Tom] b 1891: Was a Driver with A Battery, 286 Brigade, Royal > Field Artillery on December 27, 1918. In a letter he wrote home on that date > he says 'he could not get out to buy Christmas Cards but he had sent the few > that were brought in to him'. His unit was in France till 1919, but what > does this enigmatic statement mean? Where might he have been? Could he have > been in hospital? We don't think, from what we know of him, that he would > have been locked up! We have found him in the medal rolls, but his other > records seem to have been burnt. Like Jack, he may have returned from the > USA for military service. We have not been able to trace him after the War > but we don't think he returned to the USA. We think the picture was taken in > 1917 when he was on leave before he returned to France. > > Any help with these questions would be much appreciated. > > Brian Cook > Helensburgh > Scotland > > > ==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== > List Admin Message > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hello Listers, I am tracing the life of William Duthie. During the Boer War he joined the Colonial Scouts. He then joined G Squadron of the Commander-in-Chiefs Bodyguard. I have some letters that he wrote to the Colonial secretary asking for his bonuses for going through Zululand and rations substitution. Could anyone tell me where the Colonial Scouts fought, what does going through Zululand mean? Also, what did G squadron of the C-in-C bodyguard do? Lastly he mentions the late Queens chocolate, I believe that it came in tins, is there anywhere one could obtain a tin? Regards Andy Researching the following families: Hall Marsh Duthie Gregori and Armour www.canuck-halls.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.506 / Virus Database: 303 - Release Date: 8/1/2003

Hi Carole & List: The HLI Hq was in Hamilton (near Glasgow) according to the Army Lists for 1896 (page 858) and 1897 (page 937). So were the Cameronians. >From 1896 List, ie for Quarter ended 31 Dec 1895: Highland Light Infantry: Regimental District No 71 - Hamilton. NB: the 3rd & 4th Line Battalions were at Hamilton, 1st at Malta, 2nd at Fysabod Bengal. The HLI also had Volunteer Battalions at Glasgow (1st, 3rd, 5th), Overnewton (2nd) & Lanark (4th). Looking at other Scottish Territorial Regiments they were based as follows: 1 - Royal Scots (Lothian) Regiment - Glencorse 21 - Royal Scots Fusiliers - Ayr 25 - Kings Own Scottish Borderers - Berwick on Tweed 26 - Cameronians (Scottish Rifles) - Hamilton 71 - Highland Light Infantry - Hamilton 72 - Seaforth Highlanders - Fort George 75 - Gordon Highlanders - Aberdeen 79 - Queens Own Cameron Highlanders - Inverness 91 - Princess Louises (Argyle & Sutherland) Highlanders - Stirling (hope I haven't missed any!) Yours, John Wilson (Wellington, New Zealand) ----- Original Message ----- From: Noden <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, 31 July 2003 05:08 Subject: Re: [BOER-WAR] HLI query > David, > > If my g-grandfather was attached to the headquarters of the HLI can you > tell me where the HLI headquarters would have been > at this time i.e. 1896. > > Many thanks, > Carole >

I know this is not a boar war article but thought there may be some one interested , I hope I havn't done the wrong thing. I have found a photo of my Dads taken September 1940 of some of the 3rd Signallers and B.C. staff. Bdr J.S.Roberts LBdr F. Lister L Bdr. C.J. Seath or Scath Bdr. V.P.Berg Bdr. J.F.Kirsten Bdr. A.W.Vauzyl Bdr. D.W.Wells or Webb A. Greef or Abreef Cale P.H. On or Oth. Felham Gibert Lorimer T.R.Butler I do have some other photos and maybe one is my grandfather ion the Boer WAr. When I wrote a while ago A kind gentleman said if I sent the photos of my Grandfathers wedfding which I thought may of been in Kimberly . but he thought it sounded more like Wynberg he may be able to help me find more info on my grandfather. I now have a scanner so If this still applies where would I send them to please. ONe photo is taken 28.9.1917 another 20.7.41 another two are much older but my son-in-law sid that the guns they have are not that old. Hope someone can help thanks . Anne Wellman from cold Australia at the moment

Hi Kay & List: No the British Army List at the time of the Boer War did not include NCOs: apart from Riding-Masters and Quarter-Masters who all seemed to have had honorary officer rank; mostly hon. Lt. but some hon. Capt. and hon. Major. The "Regimental List" section of the list has officers, and the "Gradation List" section has lists of Riding-Masters and (then) Quarter-Masters after the list of 2nd Lieutenants. There is also a "War Services" section for officers. This is from looking at the Official Army List from the War Office for 1900; ie January 1900 or the quarter ending 31 December 1899. Yours, John Wilson (Wellington, New Zealand) ----- Original Message ----- From: Lawryfamhist <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, 25 July 2003 06:59 Subject: [BOER-WAR] Are non-commissioned officers included in PRO categories for officers? > Hi folks: > > I can't seem to find a specific answer to this in the PRO leaflets online, > or in any of my reference books. > > 1. Does anyone know if non-commissioned officers were included in the Army > Lists (WO 66, WO 67) by the time of the Boer War? > > 2. Would a non-commissioned officer show up in the Regimental Records of > Service (WO76) by the time of the Boer War? > > By non-commissioned I mean warrent officers (including hte regimental > sergeant major), sergeant majors, staff sergeants, corporals, and lance > corporals. > > Thank you in advance. > > Kay in Alberta >

Hi I am trying to find out about my grandfather's Boer war service, his name was George Benjamin King and family legend has it that he was a 'boy soldier'. As he was born in 1886 he must have been about 14 when he joined. He is not on the 1901 census (I have found eeryone else from this branch of the family) so I am assuming that he was in South Africa. Can anyone tell me how I can find out many thanks Wendy _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool emoticons - download MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger

Thank you, John, for your detailed and useful answer! Kay -----Original Message----- From: John Wilson [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 2:45 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BOER-WAR] Are non-commissioned officers included in PRO categories for officers? Hi Kay & List: No the British Army List at the time of the Boer War did not include NCOs: apart from Riding-Masters and Quarter-Masters who all seemed to have had honorary officer rank; mostly hon. Lt. but some hon. Capt. and hon. Major. The "Regimental List" section of the list has officers, and the "Gradation List" section has lists of Riding-Masters and (then) Quarter-Masters after the list of 2nd Lieutenants. There is also a "War Services" section for officers. This is from looking at the Official Army List from the War Office for 1900; ie January 1900 or the quarter ending 31 December 1899. Yours, John Wilson (Wellington, New Zealand) ----- Original Message ----- From: Lawryfamhist <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, 25 July 2003 06:59 Subject: [BOER-WAR] Are non-commissioned officers included in PRO categories for officers? > Hi folks: > > I can't seem to find a specific answer to this in the PRO leaflets online, > or in any of my reference books. > > 1. Does anyone know if non-commissioned officers were included in the Army > Lists (WO 66, WO 67) by the time of the Boer War? > > 2. Would a non-commissioned officer show up in the Regimental Records of > Service (WO76) by the time of the Boer War? > > By non-commissioned I mean warrent officers (including hte regimental > sergeant major), sergeant majors, staff sergeants, corporals, and lance > corporals. > > Thank you in advance. > > Kay in Alberta > ==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== Boer War Links http://freespace.virgin.net/anglers.rest/BoerWarLinks.htm ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

David, If my g-grandfather was attached to the headquarters of the HLI can you tell me where the HLI headquarters would have been at this time i.e. 1896. Many thanks, Carole ----- Original Message ----- From: "David McNay" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: 26 July 2003 22:28 Subject: Re: [BOER-WAR] HLI query > Probably not, as the 71st Regiment was the old name for the Highland Light > Infantry. > > Might it just mean staff? > > David McNay > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bryan SLIM" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 9:54 PM > Subject: Re: [BOER-WAR] HLI query > > > > > > > >On the Scottish marriage cert. of my g-grandfather his occupation is > given > > >as - Bugler, 71st Regiment of Foot (Staff). > > > > > >I would like to know what 'staff' means in this case. > > > > Would Staffordshire, the county fit ?? > > > > > > > > ==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== > > Boer War Reading > > http://freespace.virgin.net/anglers.rest/BoerWarReading.htm > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== > List Admin Message > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Many thanks for your reply. I'm afraid that it wouldn't be Staffordshire the county but is staff as in 'member of staff'. Have since found out that it may mean he was attached to the headquarters of the HLI and not out on active service. Thank you again, Carole ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan SLIM" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: 26 July 2003 21:54 Subject: Re: [BOER-WAR] HLI query > > > >On the Scottish marriage cert. of my g-grandfather his occupation is given > >as - Bugler, 71st Regiment of Foot (Staff). > > > >I would like to know what 'staff' means in this case. > > Would Staffordshire, the county fit ?? > > > > ==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== > Boer War Reading > http://freespace.virgin.net/anglers.rest/BoerWarReading.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hello Listers, We are researching the lives of three of our great uncles who fought in the British army. All were born in Liverpool and are pictured at: www.shandoncooks.btinternet.co.uk/militarypage.htm Variants of this message will be cross-posted on Boer War, WWI, Connor and O'Connor lists. There is no consistency in their usage of Connor/O'Connor. Patrick Joseph, b 1878: Picture taken at Windmillhill. He fought in the Boer War and ultimately settled in South Africa. Can anyone identify the uniform/regiment? It would help us to start looking for his record at the PRO. Note the woman on the right! We think the picture was taken after the Boer War, but is it possible that he did not return to the UK after the War but was discharged and remained in South Africa? John Edward [Jack] b 1887: We have no information on his war service. He appears to be in the RFA but does not appear in the medal rolls and we have not found him elsewhere in surviving records at the PRO. The conclusion is he stayed in the UK throughout the war. He was an expert horseman. Could he have served throughout in the Remount Section? He had gone to the USA and returned to the UK for army service. After the war, he went back to the USA [NY/NJ] but we have no documentary evidence of his life there. Thomas William [Tom] b 1891: Was a Driver with A Battery, 286 Brigade, Royal Field Artillery on December 27, 1918. In a letter he wrote home on that date he says 'he could not get out to buy Christmas Cards but he had sent the few that were brought in to him'. His unit was in France till 1919, but what does this enigmatic statement mean? Where might he have been? Could he have been in hospital? We don't think, from what we know of him, that he would have been locked up! We have found him in the medal rolls, but his other records seem to have been burnt. Like Jack, he may have returned from the USA for military service. We have not been able to trace him after the War but we don't think he returned to the USA. We think the picture was taken in 1917 when he was on leave before he returned to France. Any help with these questions would be much appreciated. Brian Cook Helensburgh Scotland

Hubert, Yes but they were late arrivals, landing at Durban in December 1901. They moved to Newcastle in northern Natal and then took part in the later drives to capture Boer commandos in the north eastern part of the Orange Free State until the end of the war in May 1902. At least some also saw similar service in the Transvaal. Regards, David ----- Original Message ----- From: hff <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 10:11 AM Subject: [BOER-WAR] info request > was the 3rd Hussars involved in the Boer war? > Hubert usa

Hi. Try www.regiments.org for lots of information on British and Commonwealth Regiments. Cheers, Ron Stallard, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "hff" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 6:11 AM Subject: [BOER-WAR] info request > was the 3rd Hussars involved in the Boer war? > Hubert usa > > > ==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== > Getting Started on Boer War Research? > http://freespace.virgin.net/anglers.rest/BWInfo.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

was the 3rd Hussars involved in the Boer war? Hubert usa