Hi Gerold, Many thanks for posting this info. I have George Edward GOULD who stayed on and married in Durban and I found both deceased estates files for both he and his wife in the Archives :-) Cheers Jan Canberra Australia At 10:05 PM 10/08/2003 +0200, you wrote: >Hi Nelson, > >If John Nelson stayed on in South Africa after the war then it's quite >likely that you may find some information on him in the South African >Archives. Have a look at the Archives INDEX at: >http://www.national.archives.gov.za/index.htm >Click "Search", >Click "RSA" >Enter your search criteria, one name to a line >Click "Search"

Hi Nelson, If John Nelson stayed on in South Africa after the war then it's quite likely that you may find some information on him in the South African Archives. Have a look at the Archives INDEX at: http://www.national.archives.gov.za/index.htm Click "Search", Click "RSA" Enter your search criteria, one name to a line Click "Search" I did a search using JOHN and NELSON and found over 200 records though most of them will of course not be yours. In the event that any records are yours, you will have to appoint someone in SA to investigate for you as the Archives staff will most likely not. You should be able to find a researcher on the South African Genealogy web site at: http://home.global.co.za/~mercon. Check also the list of surnames on the /~~mercon site: someone else may be researching your (South African) surname. Please note that there are several Archive Depositories in South Africa and in order to appoint a researcher you need to know where the physical record is situated (at which Archive). The code after the word DEPOT tells you where the record is kept: KAB = Cape Town, NAB = Natal, TAB = Transvaal etc. and the researcher you appoint must be from that area. Regards, Gerold Whittaker. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 05 August 2003 08:38 To: [email protected] Subject: [BOER-WAR] can any one help? can any one help? Im looking for a JOHN NELSON who fought in the boer war and stayed on in South Africa after it.

Hi All Has anyone heard of a possibly clandestine Boer War military group named Foch's Berets? Regards, Robin Griffiths Tel(H):+27(0)31 5731729 38 Longwoods Drive Cell:072 4772704 Glenhills Durban North, 4051 South Africa [email protected]

According to the excellent www.regiments.org (always a good place to start when researching the history of a military unit) the 2nd Bn, The Royal Warwickshire Regt was in South Africa as part of 10th Brigade from October 1899 until July 1901 when it returned to England. The URL to the regiment's deployments is: http://www.regiments.org/milhist/uk/inf/bns-reg/006-2.htm Gary Samson Canterbury, Kent > -----Original Message----- > From: Carol [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: 09 August 2003 7:50 am > To: [email protected] > Subject: [BOER-WAR] Fw: Regiments > > Message forwarded by Admin > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: polly2 > To: [email protected] > Sent: 09 August 2003 03:15 > Subject: Regiments > > > Are the regiments of the Boer war listed anywhere? > I am looking to see if the 2nd Royal Warwickshire Regiment served in the > Boer War. > Thank You.

Message forwarded by Admin ----- Original Message ----- From: polly2 To: [email protected] Sent: 09 August 2003 03:15 Subject: Regiments Are the regiments of the Boer war listed anywhere? I am looking to see if the 2nd Royal Warwickshire Regiment served in the Boer War. Thank You. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.506 / Virus Database: 303 - Release Date: 01/08/03

Thank you David. Is there any way to find out if he was demobbed at some time. How long did recruits have to serve before they were allowed to leave? It is a mystery where he or his brother Anthony were in 1901. Anne

Hi go to the rootsweb mailing list list and sign up to the South Africa Immigrants British list - very friendly and helpful you'll get a couple of web sites and anything anyone one the list that links to your man Wendy _________________________________________________________________ Sign-up for a FREE BT Broadband connection today! http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband

Hello Anne, The 2nd Battalion was heavily involved in the war and the 3rd (Militia) Battalion was present in the later stages but the 1st Battalion wasn't there although small numbers of men may well have served on attachment to other units. There is no man by the name of Cheepers in any unit in the casualty rolls. Regards, David ----- Original Message ----- From: Windera Station <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 2:45 PM Subject: [BOER-WAR] Queen's Royal Regiment > Hi all > Am new to this list. I was wondering if anyone could tell me if the 1st Battalion of Queen's Royal Regiment of West Surrey served in the Boer War. I am looking for an Arthur CHEEPER who was a L. Sergeant, and thought maybe he was killed over there and is buried there. He was born in 1869. > Can someone do a lookup in the relevant files for me? > I'm not sure if this can be done or not, so I'm sorry if this query is not possible. > Cheers from Australia > Anne Kratzmann > Windera Qld Australia

Hi all Am new to this list. I was wondering if anyone could tell me if the 1st Battalion of Queen's Royal Regiment of West Surrey served in the Boer War. I am looking for an Arthur CHEEPER who was a L. Sergeant, and thought maybe he was killed over there and is buried there. He was born in 1869. Can someone do a lookup in the relevant files for me? I'm not sure if this can be done or not, so I'm sorry if this query is not possible. Cheers from Australia Anne Kratzmann Windera Qld Australia [email protected]

Dear Andy, 'Compton's Horse' connection to C-in-C's Bodyguard........ if you read the quoted section of the Edwardian newspaper report carefully, you will see that the first group of hardened, rough, tough,"sudden-death" Troopers who formed the C-In-C's bodyguard were drawn from the 90-odd personnel which were all that remained of the original 290-strong volunteers of the 28th Company (Bedfordshire) Imperial Yeomanry, [aka 'Lord Compton's Horse' after their first C.O., and the man who raised the I.Y.Unit, Lord Alwyne Compton]. The Bodyguard was formed at a time when there were real concerns that a Boer Kommando might make an attempt to either kidnap or assassinate Lord Roberts.[ Think of the TV pictures of the US C-in-C going places including giving TV interviews, - closely accompanied by half-a-dozen big US soldiers with itchy trigger-fingers, during the Gulf War - and you've got the idea.! ] You wrote SNIP< How does Compton's horse fit in, Julien, does this mean that the Bodyguards were Compton's Horse?SNIP Yes, the original Bodyguard were drawn from the roughest, toughest Troopers of Compton's Horse - who would have been well known to Lord Roberts because the much-reduced Compton's Horse were doing Military Policing and counter- insurgency duties in the area of his HQ at the time concerns were raised about a possible plot to assassinate or kidnap Lord Roberts. SNIP<Was the bodyguard part of the Yeomanry or did he perhaps join the yeomanry after the bodyguard disbanded. >SNIP - After Lord Roberts went home, to be succeeded by Lord Kitchener, the "irregular" Bodyguard was expanded from a "close-protection Squad" into the equivalent of a full Cavalry Regiment - some 600 Riders. Since the Troop ID letters got as far as "G", it would seem that this "Irregular" Mounted Unit reverted to the old [pre-Carden reforms] cavalry organisation of 8 Squadrons. And no, the Bodyguard was not, to my knowledge, ever recognised as Imperial Yeomanry - since the Yeomanry were raised in the UK under Royal Warrant, and volunteered to serve overseas, - while the Bodyguard was an "irregular" Unit, created overseas, "in-Theatre", by the Commander on the spot, - to serve the needs of that conflict only. Your man's service in a Company of Imperial Yeomanry would be quite distinct from his Service with the C-in-C's Bodyguard. In trying to track your man's Boer War Service, you need to be aware that inter-Unit poaching between and from irregular Units was extremely common during the Boer War. The pressure on Unit commanders to fill empty Files or empty Saddles by any means was enormous. There were never enough Drafts coming out from the UK to replace casualites from enemy action or disease. A Volunteer could transfer "in-Theatre" to another Unit which offered either better conditions, or better promotion chances. A Regular Soldier in a Regular Unit did not have this option. Cordially, Julian Wilson

Thanks to everyone for the sites and assistance re Boer War. When we subscribed we never had a reply with the sites and so thought we would post a message anyway. Now we will start some investigating. Many thanks. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan SLIM" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, 6 August 2003 03:13 Subject: Re:[BOER-WAR] researching Buckingham > James, the page you cite 'is not available' > > > >Steve - When joining the list members are invited to check out the research > >information page at http://freespace.virgin.net/anglers.rest/BWInfo before > >posting a query. This is a pretty comprehensive introduction to > >researching Boer > >War soldiers which will answer your questions. ATB James. > > > > > >==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== > >Boer War Reading > >http://freespace.virgin.net/anglers.rest/BoerWarReading.htm > > > >============================== > >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > >records, go to: > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > ==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== > List Admin Message > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Andy, I would be interested in seeing the letter as the Scottish involvement particularly interests me. Regards, David McNay [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Hall" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 2:39 AM Subject: Fw: [BOER-WAR] Re: G Squadron Commander-in-Chief Hello again, I tried to attach the letter but it is too large. If anyone would like a copy I will send it to your personal address Regards Andy Researching the following families: Hall Marsh Duthie Gregori and Armour www.canuck-halls.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Hall" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 9:18 PM Subject: Re: [BOER-WAR] Re: G Squadron Commander-in-Chief > Hello David/Julien, > Thanks for the information. It makes for very interesting reading. > > I am attaching the letter that W Duthie wrote to the colonial Secretary in > Natal asking for his money and chocolate (he was Scottish). > I notice it was April 1901and by that time he was in the c-in c. How do I > find out when he left the scouts and joined the C-in-C bodyguard, he does > say that he has been in continuous active service since leaving the scouts. > How does Compton's horse fit in, Julien, does this mean that the Bodyguards > were Compton's Horse? > > Where can I get a copy of his military record? > > The other question I have is- we have his medals, no bars, the scouts > emblem, the bodyguards emblem and an emblem with an IY on it which I think > it is for Imperial Yeomanry, Was the bodyguard part of the Yeomanry or did > he perhaps join the yeomanry after the bodyguard disbanded. > > > Again Thanks > Regards > Andy > > Researching the following families: Hall Marsh Duthie Gregori and Armour > www.canuck-halls.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Humphry" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 1:49 AM > Subject: [BOER-WAR] Re: G Squadron Commander-in-Chief > > > > Hello Andy, > > > > The Colonial Scouts were a short lived unit, formed in December 1899 and > disbanded in April 1900. They were mainly involved in scouting duties in > Zululand and in the Zululand/Transvaal border areas but saw very little > fighting. Upon disbandment most of the scouts, including your man, joined > other colonial units. > > > > The C-in-C's Bodyguard was formed in January 1900 as Lord Roberts's > bodyguard but after his return to the UK in the second half of 1900 the unit > was expanded into an operational regiment of about 600 officers and men. > They had 17 killed, including their CO, near Lindley 3/1/1901 and were > involved in further sharp actions in the Orange Free State in February and > March 1901. From April to July they were attached to a column operating in > the Eastern Transvaal and although they had no serious fighting during this > time at the end of July they were involved in another skirmish which > resulted in two killed and more wounded. It was disbanded soon after. > > > > I assume that additional payments were due to the Colonial Scouts for > operating away from their home area in Zululand (they were a Natal unit), > perhaps as a kind of 'danger money'. > > > > The chocolate boxes are regularly seen in the UK at antique fairs, > particularly specialised militaria fairs, and there might be the odd one on > eBay now and again. They are mostly red with some gold coloured edging so > are quite distinctive and I think are usually priced around £40. I have seen > details of some at auction which still contain the chocolate. > > > > Regards, > > > > David > > > > > > ==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== > > Getting Started on Boer War Research? > > http://freespace.virgin.net/anglers.rest/BWInfo.htm > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.507 / Virus Database: 304 - Release Date: 8/4/2003 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.507 / Virus Database: 304 - Release Date: 8/4/2003 ==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== List Admin Message http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hello again, I tried to attach the letter but it is too large. If anyone would like a copy I will send it to your personal address Regards Andy Researching the following families: Hall Marsh Duthie Gregori and Armour www.canuck-halls.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Hall" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 9:18 PM Subject: Re: [BOER-WAR] Re: G Squadron Commander-in-Chief > Hello David/Julien, > Thanks for the information. It makes for very interesting reading. > > I am attaching the letter that W Duthie wrote to the colonial Secretary in > Natal asking for his money and chocolate (he was Scottish). > I notice it was April 1901and by that time he was in the c-in c. How do I > find out when he left the scouts and joined the C-in-C bodyguard, he does > say that he has been in continuous active service since leaving the scouts. > How does Compton's horse fit in, Julien, does this mean that the Bodyguards > were Compton's Horse? > > Where can I get a copy of his military record? > > The other question I have is- we have his medals, no bars, the scouts > emblem, the bodyguards emblem and an emblem with an IY on it which I think > it is for Imperial Yeomanry, Was the bodyguard part of the Yeomanry or did > he perhaps join the yeomanry after the bodyguard disbanded. > > > Again Thanks > Regards > Andy > > Researching the following families: Hall Marsh Duthie Gregori and Armour > www.canuck-halls.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Humphry" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 1:49 AM > Subject: [BOER-WAR] Re: G Squadron Commander-in-Chief > > > > Hello Andy, > > > > The Colonial Scouts were a short lived unit, formed in December 1899 and > disbanded in April 1900. They were mainly involved in scouting duties in > Zululand and in the Zululand/Transvaal border areas but saw very little > fighting. Upon disbandment most of the scouts, including your man, joined > other colonial units. > > > > The C-in-C's Bodyguard was formed in January 1900 as Lord Roberts's > bodyguard but after his return to the UK in the second half of 1900 the unit > was expanded into an operational regiment of about 600 officers and men. > They had 17 killed, including their CO, near Lindley 3/1/1901 and were > involved in further sharp actions in the Orange Free State in February and > March 1901. From April to July they were attached to a column operating in > the Eastern Transvaal and although they had no serious fighting during this > time at the end of July they were involved in another skirmish which > resulted in two killed and more wounded. It was disbanded soon after. > > > > I assume that additional payments were due to the Colonial Scouts for > operating away from their home area in Zululand (they were a Natal unit), > perhaps as a kind of 'danger money'. > > > > The chocolate boxes are regularly seen in the UK at antique fairs, > particularly specialised militaria fairs, and there might be the odd one on > eBay now and again. They are mostly red with some gold coloured edging so > are quite distinctive and I think are usually priced around £40. I have seen > details of some at auction which still contain the chocolate. > > > > Regards, > > > > David > > > > > > ==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== > > Getting Started on Boer War Research? > > http://freespace.virgin.net/anglers.rest/BWInfo.htm > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.507 / Virus Database: 304 - Release Date: 8/4/2003 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.507 / Virus Database: 304 - Release Date: 8/4/2003

Thanks Wendy, Yes we have all those census details...but still want to find out where his Boer War records are and where we would find them. Kind regards Steve. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wendy King" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, 5 August 2003 17:21 Subject: Re: [BOER-WAR] researching Buckingham > Hi Steve > > not Boer War but do you have his 1891 census details - in case you do not > > living at 20 Alfred Street, Birmingham, all born Birmingham > > John H Buckingham, head, 36, lithographic printer > Mary E, wife, 39 > Erasmus, son, 14, litho layer > Sydney, 11 > Lillian, 9 > Henry, 7 > Archie, 3 > Daisy 2 > > piece number is RG12/2395/53/3 > > regards > > Wendy > > _________________________________________________________________ > Find a cheaper internet access deal - choose one to suit you. > http://www.msn.co.uk/internetaccess > > > ==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== > Boer War List Page > http://freespace.virgin.net/anglers.rest/BoerWar.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi everyone. Thanks for the discussion on the Info page. The correct address is http://freespace.virgin.net/anglers.rest/BWInfo.htm The Boer War Bibliography is at http://freespace.virgin.net/anglers.rest/BoerWarReading.htm The mailing list page with links to the above and how to unsubscribe is at http://freespace.virgin.net/anglers.rest/BoerWar.htm And finally the Boer War Links page is http://freespace.virgin.net/anglers.rest/BoerWarLinks.htm I have just tested all the links and all appears to be OK. --- Regards Julie Goucher, List Admin Anglers Rest Home Page http://freespace.virgin.net/anglers.rest/index.htm Anglo Italian Family History Society www.anglo-italianfhs.org.uk Fax & Voice Mail (+44) 0870 130 5474 ORLANDO One Name Study ~ GOONS Member 3925 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.507 / Virus Database: 304 - Release Date: 04/08/2003

I think I've added confusion to more confusion - after all that, the right link should be: [unless you know better!] http://freespace.virgin.net/anglers.rest/BWInfo.htm Maybe I was more use in the garden doing nothing! :>) Sue

I hate to stir things up here, but I've just l;ogged-on, saw your message, clicked the link, - and my browsers, too, come up with "this page is not available"! LJW, Jersey. ---- Original message ---- >Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 16:24:26 +0100 >From: "Sue Light" <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: Re:[BOER-WAR] researching Buckingham >To: [email protected] > >It's just lost its tail - change it to: > >http://freespace.virgin.net/anglers.rest/BWinfo.htm > >and it should work. > >Regards - Sue > >Sue Light >[Lancing, West Sussex] > >[email protected] >www.unchangedbytime.co.uk > > > > > > >==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== >List Admin Message >http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMess age.htm > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp? targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

It's just lost its tail - change it to: http://freespace.virgin.net/anglers.rest/BWinfo.htm and it should work. Regards - Sue Sue Light [Lancing, West Sussex] [email protected] www.unchangedbytime.co.uk

Dear List, Can anyone give me any information on my Gandfather Sydney Buckingham, born in Birmingham in 1879, and was courting my Grandmother who lived in Leicester, so he was in these two areas. He was in the Boer War, and we believe he was injured. Does the list have any access to the list of men who fought in this war, and what area and regiment he was in? He came back and married my Grandmother in 1904, before coming to New Zealand. Any information would be much appreciated, many thanks. Steve...in N.Z.

can any one help? Im looking for a JOHN NELSON who fought in the boer war and stayed on in South Africa after it.