Hello Pamela, I don't know if there's any pattern to the section of records destroyed in the blitz. I've had searches done for the papers of men in the same unit and some are there and some not so it seems to be pot luck. Regards, David ----- Original Message ----- From: Pamela Simmons <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 7:31 PM Subject: Re: [BOER-WAR] Where to start? > Hello David > Do you know which portion of the WO97 records were lost? I applied to PRO > and paid my tenner they replied saying I had got the wrong archive. I have > foundthe right number beginning WO97 but I dont fancy paying another ten > pounds to be told they have been destroyed. I am looking for the records > on Corporal Henry Richard Eames of the 2nd Middlesex Regiment. I have a > collection of his medals . He served in Ahmednagar before going to South > Africa > Pamela

Hi Leigh, Am based in Cape Town, so if any of the graves are here (which there could be as some injured were sent to Cape Town for recovery or treatment) I could take photos and forward them. There was apparently a large field Hospital on the Rondebosch Common (which I can see from my office window). Where those that died at the common were buried, I'm not quite sure. Regards Mark van Zyl Email - [email protected] Confidentiality Notice This communication, its content and any file attachments transmitted with it are intended solely for the addressee(s) and may contain confidential proprietary information. Access by any other party without the express written permission of the sender is unauthorised. If you have received this communication in error you may not copy, distribute or use the contents, attachments or information in any way. Please destroy it and contact the sender.

Hello David Many thanks for your message and the information on the 16th Lancers at Lindley in January 1901. Pte Burn was the man I was interested in so your email was most helpful.. You maybe interested to know that according to his 16th Lancers Service Record, Arthur Burn recovered from his wounds and was transferred to the reserve in South Africa in 1902 finally being discharged in 1906. He then emigrated to Australia and joined the 10th Australian Light Horse on the outbreak of WW1 and was killed in action at Gallipoli in August 1915. I also have his Australian Service Record which mentions that he spent 3 years with the SA Constabulary and 3 months with the Natal Cabiniers (whatever they were). I presume that he served with these two latter units after he transferred to the army reserve. However, this is not clear from his records. Kind regards Trevor Hancock ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Humphry" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 8:15 PM Subject: Re: [BOER-WAR] 16th Lancers at Fredericksdorp > Hello Trevor, > > The 16th Lancers' casualty roll shows one man killed and three wounded at > Lindley 3-4/1/1901. There is no mention of Fredericksdorp but it's not > uncommon for alternative local place names to be used in different returns. > The wounded men are Ptes. Burn, George and Hardwick and presumably the man > you refer to is one of them. Lindley is in the Orange Free State and the > action was clearly a minor skirmish. By that stage of the war the major set > piece battles had finished and the guerilla phase had begun. Like many other > units, 16th Lancers would have been operating in columns - most likely often > as scouts or skirmishers - in the drives to capture the highly mobile Boer > commandos. > > Regards, > > David > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Trevor Hancock <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 8:41 PM > Subject: [BOER-WAR] 16th Lancers at Fredericksdorp > > > > Hello List > > > > Can anyone help me please. One of the men commemorated on our WW1 War > Memorial also served in South Africa with the 16th Lancers from 1899-1902. > He was wounded on 4th January 1901 at Frederiksdorp. What were the 16th > Lancers doing at this time? Can someone give me their movements/actions for > this period please. > > > > Thank you > > > > Trevor Hancock > > Wantage UK >

Dear David, I have just read the message below --so took a look at the Traces info, I wish I had found it before I undertook a modern investigation of Canadian relatives, early this year it is most helpful. Thanks June -----Original Message----- From: David Humphry [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 27 August 2003 19:03 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BOER-WAR] Where to start? Hello Steve & Valerie, In general new subscribers to this list are best advised to first check the introduction page http://freespace.virgin.net/anglers.rest/BWinfo.htm . However I have a copy of the privately published Imperial Yeomanry medal roll and can tell you that the National Archive (aka PRO) at Kew has given you incorrect information. A proportion of the service records of the Regular Army of the period in series WO 97 were indeed destroyed in WW2 but the Imperial Yeomanry weren't Regular Army and their records survive almost completely in series WO 128. It seems to me that the person who checked the files for your grandfather looked in the wrong series and unsurprisingly came up with a nil result. The medal roll shows that 21460 Sydney (sic) Buckingham 7th (Leicestershire) Company, 4th Battalion Imperial Yeomanry was awarded the Queen's South Africa Medal with clasps Cape Colony, Orange Free State, Transvaal, South Africa 1901 and South Africa 1902. Because the roll shows his full name this means that the author (Kevin Asplin) has physically seen his file at the PRO when compiling the roll. I therefore suggest you revert to Kew with this information, get them to check in the correct series and send you a copy of his service record for which you have already paid. Regards, David ----- Original Message ----- From: Valerie Compton <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 10:31 AM Subject: Re: [BOER-WAR] Where to start? > Hi Chris, We are having similar problems trying to find out about my > Grandfather's records and how to go about sourcing them. We have been on > several web sites with very limited results, and my cousin has written > to Kew for my Grandfathers records and they have come back records > lost in the > blitz....after paying 32 pound. We are looking for private 21460 Sidney > Buckingham, 7th co. Imperial Yeomanry. Any information or web sites that > you get, we would be greatful if you would pass them on to us. > Regards Steve and Valerie Compton (N.Z.) ==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== List Admin Message http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hello Everybody, After reading the introductory pages (which, by coincidence, somebody at work had downloaded for me today!), I get the distinct feeling I might as well give up now! I have been trying to find my Great Grandfather, Charles William Bugden, on the 1901 census and couldn't for the life of me understand why I couldn't find him . . . .and it has only just dawned on me that he wasn't even in the country! (I know, I know . . . bit dim or what?!). I have recently had a conversation with my cousin and her father (my uncle) has my G.Grandfathers' discharge papers from his time in the Boer War - but is not letting anybody see them - an absolute waste since none of his children are interested in the family history . . .ah well. Just in case anybody has come across any information, Charles William Bugden was born in Ulcombe, Kent 15.10.1882. He joined the Army after lying about his age and, according to my cousin, spent at least the first part of his time in the Boer War guarding prisoners on an island (St Helena springs to mind - unless there were other islands?). I am presuming that he was in the Buffs but that is only based on his geographical birthplace and lifelong residence in Ulcombe. Between the Boer War and WWI he was back in Ulcombe, getting married and raising three daughters then, with the arrival of WWI he joined up again but was in the Leicestershire Regt. He was made a sergeant, but was unlucky enough to be killed in action. His death cert. gives date of death as 28.10.1918. If anybody has any clue as to what to do (based on the sparseness of my information) to try and obtain some futher details?? Thanks Kevin Pearson ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Humphry" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 7:02 PM Subject: Re: [BOER-WAR] Where to start? > Hello Steve & Valerie, > > In general new subscribers to this list are best advised to first check the > introduction page http://freespace.virgin.net/anglers.rest/BWinfo.htm . > However I have a copy of the privately published Imperial Yeomanry medal > roll and can tell you that the National Archive (aka PRO) at Kew has given > you incorrect information. A proportion of the service records of the > Regular Army of the period in series WO 97 were indeed destroyed in WW2 but > the Imperial Yeomanry weren't Regular Army and their records survive almost > completely in series WO 128. It seems to me that the person who checked the > files for your grandfather looked in the wrong series and unsurprisingly > came up with a nil result. > > The medal roll shows that 21460 Sydney (sic) Buckingham 7th (Leicestershire) > Company, 4th Battalion Imperial Yeomanry was awarded the Queen's South > Africa Medal with clasps Cape Colony, Orange Free State, Transvaal, South > Africa 1901 and South Africa 1902. Because the roll shows his full name this > means that the author (Kevin Asplin) has physically seen his file at the PRO > when compiling the roll. I therefore suggest you revert to Kew with this > information, get them to check in the correct series and send you a copy > of his service record for which you have already paid. > > Regards, > > David

Hello David Do you know which portion of the WO97 records were lost? I applied to PRO and paid my tenner they replied saying I had got the wrong archive. I have foundthe right number beginning WO97 but I dont fancy paying another ten pounds to be told they have been destroyed. I am looking for the records on Corporal Henry Richard Eames of the 2nd Middlesex Regiment. I have a collection of his medals . He served in Ahmednagar before going to South Africa Pamela ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Humphry" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 7:02 PM Subject: Re: [BOER-WAR] Where to start? > Hello Steve & Valerie, > > In general new subscribers to this list are best advised to first check the > introduction page http://freespace.virgin.net/anglers.rest/BWinfo.htm . > However I have a copy of the privately published Imperial Yeomanry medal > roll and can tell you that the National Archive (aka PRO) at Kew has given > you incorrect information. A proportion of the service records of the > Regular Army of the period in series WO 97 were indeed destroyed in WW2 but > the Imperial Yeomanry weren't Regular Army and their records survive almost > completely in series WO 128. It seems to me that the person who checked the > files for your grandfather looked in the wrong series and unsurprisingly > came up with a nil result. > > The medal roll shows that 21460 Sydney (sic) Buckingham 7th (Leicestershire) > Company, 4th Battalion Imperial Yeomanry was awarded the Queen's South > Africa Medal with clasps Cape Colony, Orange Free State, Transvaal, South > Africa 1901 and South Africa 1902. Because the roll shows his full name this > means that the author (Kevin Asplin) has physically seen his file at the PRO > when compiling the roll. I therefore suggest you revert to Kew with this > information, get them to check in the correct series and send you a copy > of his service record for which you have already paid. > > Regards, > > David > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Valerie Compton <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 10:31 AM > Subject: Re: [BOER-WAR] Where to start? > > > > Hi Chris, We are having similar problems trying to find out about my > > Grandfather's records and how to go about sourcing them. We have been on > > several web sites with very limited results, and my cousin has written to > > Kew for my Grandfathers records and they have come back records lost in > the > > blitz....after paying 32 pound. We are looking for private 21460 Sidney > > Buckingham, 7th co. Imperial Yeomanry. Any information or web sites that > > you get, we would be greatful if you would pass them on to us. > > Regards Steve and Valerie Compton (N.Z.) > > > > > > > ==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== > List Admin Message > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hello Steve & Valerie, In general new subscribers to this list are best advised to first check the introduction page http://freespace.virgin.net/anglers.rest/BWinfo.htm . However I have a copy of the privately published Imperial Yeomanry medal roll and can tell you that the National Archive (aka PRO) at Kew has given you incorrect information. A proportion of the service records of the Regular Army of the period in series WO 97 were indeed destroyed in WW2 but the Imperial Yeomanry weren't Regular Army and their records survive almost completely in series WO 128. It seems to me that the person who checked the files for your grandfather looked in the wrong series and unsurprisingly came up with a nil result. The medal roll shows that 21460 Sydney (sic) Buckingham 7th (Leicestershire) Company, 4th Battalion Imperial Yeomanry was awarded the Queen's South Africa Medal with clasps Cape Colony, Orange Free State, Transvaal, South Africa 1901 and South Africa 1902. Because the roll shows his full name this means that the author (Kevin Asplin) has physically seen his file at the PRO when compiling the roll. I therefore suggest you revert to Kew with this information, get them to check in the correct series and send you a copy of his service record for which you have already paid. Regards, David ----- Original Message ----- From: Valerie Compton <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 10:31 AM Subject: Re: [BOER-WAR] Where to start? > Hi Chris, We are having similar problems trying to find out about my > Grandfather's records and how to go about sourcing them. We have been on > several web sites with very limited results, and my cousin has written to > Kew for my Grandfathers records and they have come back records lost in the > blitz....after paying 32 pound. We are looking for private 21460 Sidney > Buckingham, 7th co. Imperial Yeomanry. Any information or web sites that > you get, we would be greatful if you would pass them on to us. > Regards Steve and Valerie Compton (N.Z.)

Hello listers, I am putting a website together for the ten New Zealand Contingents that went to the Boer War, I am looking for relatives who could help locate the graves of these soldiers and hopefully a picture of the soldier himself. Their are 6125 soldiers in all and this site will include all the veterans as well. I have all the names but need to locate them, if anyone can help please contact me. TIA. Regards Leigh Hokitika, Best Place in N.Z. [email protected] _________________________________________________________________ Find your perfect match @ http://personals.xtramsn.co.nz with XtraMSN Personals!

Also try Imperial War Museum and the Army Museum is called National Army Museum <A HREF="www.national-army-museum.ac.uk/">www.national-army-museum.ac.uk/</A> Gail

Not thick at all. I actually found them the old fashioned way - telephone books etc but try a search engine - I use Google.com and enter the name of your regiment and see what sites comes up - also try entering Index of regimental web sites and that will then give you a phone number or address. The military are so disciplined about their records but I guess each regiment is different too. I was lucky and found they had published a history of mine and it included a chapter on the Boer War and what battles they fought in - how many deaths/medals etc. but not so many names their but it did give me the colour I was after! You might also try the Army Museum in London. Gail PS I have just found a file I keep "Military URLs" and will mail you later when I have more time and give you those. Remind me again what your regiment was and was it English or Scottish???

Dear Gail, Thank you for your reply. Sorry to appear a bit thick but can you suggest where I might find such sites? Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 4:10 AM Subject: Re: [BOER-WAR] Where to start? > I have had success contacting the regiments in question - some of them have > archives/museums/libraries. > Gail Lynch > > > ==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== > Boer War Reading > http://freespace.virgin.net/anglers.rest/BoerWarReading.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

I have had success contacting the regiments in question - some of them have archives/museums/libraries. Gail Lynch

Hi Chris, We are having similar problems trying to find out about my Grandfather's records and how to go about sourcing them. We have been on several web sites with very limited results, and my cousin has written to Kew for my Grandfathers records and they have come back records lost in the blitz....after paying 32 pound. We are looking for private 21460 Sidney Buckingham, 7th co. Imperial Yeomanry. Any information or web sites that you get, we would be greatful if you would pass them on to us. Regards Steve and Valerie Compton (N.Z.) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Woods" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, 26 August 2003 19:37 Subject: [BOER-WAR] Where to start? > Good morning researchers, > > I have just been given the name of a great uncle who appears to have served in South Africa in the Boar War and would appreciated some guidance in finding out more about his activities, service records, and the general life and times of the events...well, to start with, anyway :-) > > His name was ROBERT JAMES WATSON, born 7th. February 1876 Highgate, Middlesex. > > The following odd scraps are from bits of paper in his files: > > He appears to have served 20 years in the Volunteer Infantry Cavalry: > > 30th Novemebr 1900 joined City of London Imperial Volunteers rank Private, no. 1159 > > April 1901 issued with a Crossing-the-Line certificate (!), on route to South Africa. > > Saw active service in South Africa (Boar War) 1901 and 1902 (? Gen. French) > > at various times he was a c/o of some Yeomen cavalry, and commanded a column of Scouts. > > He reached the rank of Captain. > > He later transferred to India. > > All a bit of a muddle. I'm no military historian and so wondered whether anyone can make anything of the above, and possibly set me off in the right direction to find more. Budgetry constraints (too many ancestors) prevent use of professional researchers at this stage. > > Any help, guidance and suggestions will be very much apreciated, > > Chris, > Norfolk UK > > > ==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== > List Admin Message > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Good morning researchers, I have just been given the name of a great uncle who appears to have served in South Africa in the Boar War and would appreciated some guidance in finding out more about his activities, service records, and the general life and times of the events...well, to start with, anyway :-) His name was ROBERT JAMES WATSON, born 7th. February 1876 Highgate, Middlesex. The following odd scraps are from bits of paper in his files: He appears to have served 20 years in the Volunteer Infantry Cavalry: 30th Novemebr 1900 joined City of London Imperial Volunteers rank Private, no. 1159 April 1901 issued with a Crossing-the-Line certificate (!), on route to South Africa. Saw active service in South Africa (Boar War) 1901 and 1902 (? Gen. French) at various times he was a c/o of some Yeomen cavalry, and commanded a column of Scouts. He reached the rank of Captain. He later transferred to India. All a bit of a muddle. I'm no military historian and so wondered whether anyone can make anything of the above, and possibly set me off in the right direction to find more. Budgetry constraints (too many ancestors) prevent use of professional researchers at this stage. Any help, guidance and suggestions will be very much apreciated, Chris, Norfolk UK

Hello Trevor, The 16th Lancers' casualty roll shows one man killed and three wounded at Lindley 3-4/1/1901. There is no mention of Fredericksdorp but it's not uncommon for alternative local place names to be used in different returns. The wounded men are Ptes. Burn, George and Hardwick and presumably the man you refer to is one of them. Lindley is in the Orange Free State and the action was clearly a minor skirmish. By that stage of the war the major set piece battles had finished and the guerilla phase had begun. Like many other units, 16th Lancers would have been operating in columns - most likely often as scouts or skirmishers - in the drives to capture the highly mobile Boer commandos. Regards, David ----- Original Message ----- From: Trevor Hancock <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 8:41 PM Subject: [BOER-WAR] 16th Lancers at Fredericksdorp > Hello List > > Can anyone help me please. One of the men commemorated on our WW1 War Memorial also served in South Africa with the 16th Lancers from 1899-1902. He was wounded on 4th January 1901 at Frederiksdorp. What were the 16th Lancers doing at this time? Can someone give me their movements/actions for this period please. > > Thank you > > Trevor Hancock > Wantage UK

Hello List Can anyone help me please. One of the men commemorated on our WW1 War Memorial also served in South Africa with the 16th Lancers from 1899-1902. He was wounded on 4th January 1901 at Frederiksdorp. What were the 16th Lancers doing at this time? Can someone give me their movements/actions for this period please. Thank you Trevor Hancock Wantage UK

where can i get army records of person that served in Boer War.he was in 3 rd Hussars. Hubert usa

Max; try this website, which I have circulated to the list: Tracing Ancestors who fought: http://www.mil.za/Magazines/SALUT/9how_to_trace_an_ancestor.htm Also may be useful: A number of South African (Boer) War Links & References: http://www.au.af.mil/au/aul/bibs/boer/boerwr.htm The Kopje, but now not working? http://www.paardeberg.fsnet.co.uk/ Deaths are listed on the South African "National Monuments Council", SANMC Anglo Boer War deaths database (though not always working?): www.nationalmonuments.co.za/search.htm For the war from New Zealand see: www.nzhistory.net.nz/Gallery/SAW/index.htm The Canadian Veterans Affairs site has a South African Book of Remembrance and a Photo Gallery of cemeteries in South Africa: www.vac-acc.gc.ca/general/index.cfm South African War (1899-1902) & Nile Expedition (1884-85) Book of Remembrance: http://www.vac-acc.gc.ca/general/sub.cfm?source=collections/books/safrica Yours, John Wilson (Wellington, New Zealand) ----- Original Message ----- From: Max McCready <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, 18 August 2003 14:38 Subject: Re: [BOER-WAR] WHERE WOULD I FIND HIM > Good Morning, > > Can somebody please tell me how I can access South African records? Do UK > Census records cover the then Cape Colony? > > My Grandfather, Alfred Augustus McCREADY, was in the Natal Naval Corps. > We are sure for 1903. He was born in Australia in 1876 (Colony OF Victoria). > He doesn't appear in any of the several Imperial Units, so we have presumed > that he was a volunteer of some description, for reasons unknown.

Max if your people settled in South Africa even for a short time try joining the South Africa - British Immigrants list www.rootsweb.com go to mailing lits - international - South Africa British Immigrants Wendy ----- Original Message ----- From: John Wilson <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 12:30 PM Subject: Re: [BOER-WAR] WHERE WOULD I FIND HIM > Max; try this website, which I have circulated to the list: > > Tracing Ancestors who fought: > http://www.mil.za/Magazines/SALUT/9how_to_trace_an_ancestor.htm > > Also may be useful: > > A number of South African (Boer) War Links & References: > http://www.au.af.mil/au/aul/bibs/boer/boerwr.htm > > The Kopje, but now not working? > http://www.paardeberg.fsnet.co.uk/ > > Deaths are listed on the South African "National Monuments Council", > SANMC Anglo Boer War deaths database (though not always working?): > www.nationalmonuments.co.za/search.htm > > For the war from New Zealand see: > www.nzhistory.net.nz/Gallery/SAW/index.htm > > The Canadian Veterans Affairs site has a South African Book of Remembrance > and a > Photo Gallery of cemeteries in South Africa: > www.vac-acc.gc.ca/general/index.cfm > South African War (1899-1902) & Nile Expedition (1884-85) Book of > Remembrance: > http://www.vac-acc.gc.ca/general/sub.cfm?source=collections/books/safrica > > Yours, John Wilson (Wellington, New Zealand) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Max McCready <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, 18 August 2003 14:38 > Subject: Re: [BOER-WAR] WHERE WOULD I FIND HIM > > > > Good Morning, > > > > Can somebody please tell me how I can access South African records? Do UK > > Census records cover the then Cape Colony? > > > > My Grandfather, Alfred Augustus McCREADY, was in the Natal Naval Corps. > > We are sure for 1903. He was born in Australia in 1876 (Colony OF > Victoria). > > He doesn't appear in any of the several Imperial Units, so we have > presumed > > that he was a volunteer of some description, for reasons unknown. > > > > ==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== > Getting Started on Boer War Research? > http://freespace.virgin.net/anglers.rest/BWInfo.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

I am new to the list and would like to post my interests I have a photo of my father in Northamptonshire Yeomanry uniform, taken at Hursley Park in 1914, just before going to France in Nov 1914. On his left sleeve it appears to be an overseas chevron and on his right either a good conduct or service chevron. However I have been told that overseas chevrons weren't issued until the 1914 war, is this so, or was he in some other war before, as some other soldiers in the group also have them! Many thanks for any help Pete Northamptonshire