Thanks John Appreciate that, I will see whether there is anything in the Auckland Public Library. Regards ..... John ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Wilson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 6:48 PM Subject: Re: [BOER-WAR] Re: finding Boer War Soldiers > Hi John & List: > > John Stirling's two books are: > "Our Regiments in South Africa 1899-1902" (1903, Edinburgh) and: > "The Colonials in South Africa" (1907, Edinburgh). > From memory, published by TC & EC Jack, Edinburgh. > > Both are held in Wellington (NZ) by the Defence Department Library but > not the National Library, though "The Colonials ... " can be interloaned. > I will have a look at "Our Regiments ... " to see what he has on the 7th > Hussars in South Africa. > > Yours, John Wilson (Wellington, New Zealand) > > > Hello all > > I am a new member to the group. > > > > My grandfarther as per his military records (WO97) joined the 7th Hussars > in > > April 1892 and after serving in India (03/02/1892 to 22/10/1895) and > > Rhodesia (23/10/1895 to 29/11/1898) was call up again and served in South > > Africa from 03/12/1901 to 06/06/1902. This made him eligable for a QSA > with > > 5 clasps (SA 1901, SA 1902, Cape Colony, Transvaal and Orange Free State). > > > > I have nothing else, and am trying to find out if anyone out there has any > > history on the involvement of the 7th Hussars in the 1901 - 1902 Boer War. > > > > Look forward to hearing from someone in due course. > > John Lister > > Auckland > > New Zealand > > > > > ==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== > Getting Started on Boer War Research? > http://freespace.virgin.net/anglers.rest/BWInfo.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > >

William Carlton, Private, aged 24, born Appleby, Westmorland, England was living at The South Front Barracks, Dover, Kent, England as a member of the 1st Border Regiment of Infantry in the 1891 census. I cannot find him in the 1901 census so I wonder if he was serving overseas or was dead. Can SKS help me 1 Did the 1st Border Regiment of Infantry take part in the Anglo-Boer Wars? 2 Has anyone come across William Carleton? 3 Can anyone suggest where I could go for further information? Jim Jim & Beverley Payne NEW ZEALAND [email protected] Our web page has moved to the following URL: http://www.angelfire.com/journal2/shampayne2001/

Good morning All, Are there any books available about the Metroporifles during the Boer War? Chris

Hello fellow listers, I am currently putting a website together for the ten N.Z. Contingents that went to South Africa (just over 6000), The website will be similar to the CWGC with a picture of the soldier if available and his grave stone, The headstone photos i cannot at this stage guarantee that they will be on the website due to the amount of room required but will certainly be avaliable free of charge via email. All soldier pics will be on the website. The information i am looking for is the soldiers burial locations and a picture of the soldier and his grave if they are available, also any other material such as letters home etc concerning the campaign this includes all the soldiers that went, not just ones who died in and around the campaign. TIA. Regards Leigh Hokitika, Best Place in N.Z. [email protected] _________________________________________________________________ Need more speed? Get Xtra Jetstream @ http://www.xtra.co.nz/products/0,,5803,00.html !

Hi Alison & List: Frederick James Darby is mentioned in: Richard W. Stowers "Rough Riders at War" (2002) as being in the 6th NZ Contingent, 19 Coy. He got bars to QSA medal: CC, OFS, Tr, SA01, SA02. ie for Cape Colony, Orange Free State, Transvaal etc. Next of Kin father John Darby, also at St John's Wood, Timaru. He survived the war. You should ask for a copy of his file from NZ Defence Force Personnel Archives, email: [email protected] Include postal address; One free file/year then $28/file. See http://www.nzdf.mil.nz/medals-and-personnel-records/index.html Yours, John Wilson (Wellington, New Zealand) > Hello List > Could someone with knowledge of the Boer war please help > with my research on Frederick James Darby. > Frederick's details: > Born: Timaru, New Zealand 1876. Son of John and Sarah Darby. > Reg No: 3603 > Contingent; sixth > Unit No 19 Company > Ship 'Cornwall" 30 January 1901 > Rank private > > Any help as to how he died and his time in the service would be appreciated. > > Thank you > Alison Darby >

Hi John & List: John Stirling's two books are: "Our Regiments in South Africa 1899-1902" (1903, Edinburgh) and: "The Colonials in South Africa" (1907, Edinburgh). From memory, published by TC & EC Jack, Edinburgh. Both are held in Wellington (NZ) by the Defence Department Library but not the National Library, though "The Colonials ... " can be interloaned. I will have a look at "Our Regiments ... " to see what he has on the 7th Hussars in South Africa. Yours, John Wilson (Wellington, New Zealand) > Hello all > I am a new member to the group. > > My grandfarther as per his military records (WO97) joined the 7th Hussars in > April 1892 and after serving in India (03/02/1892 to 22/10/1895) and > Rhodesia (23/10/1895 to 29/11/1898) was call up again and served in South > Africa from 03/12/1901 to 06/06/1902. This made him eligable for a QSA with > 5 clasps (SA 1901, SA 1902, Cape Colony, Transvaal and Orange Free State). > > I have nothing else, and am trying to find out if anyone out there has any > history on the involvement of the 7th Hussars in the 1901 - 1902 Boer War. > > Look forward to hearing from someone in due course. > John Lister > Auckland > New Zealand >

Hello Roger, The Queen's South Africa Medl roll for the 17th Lancers shows 3948 Pte. G. Brooks taken POW at Derdepoort 11/7/1900 entitled to medal with clasps Cape Colony, Orange Free State & Johannesburg. Regards, David ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Brooks <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 9:16 AM Subject: [BOER-WAR] 17th Lancers > Dear all, > I believe that a great uncle, George BROOKS, served with the 17th Lancers in South Africa. As a Boer War novice would SKS please advise me how I might find out if it's true. > Thanks in advance, > Roger B.

Dear all, I believe that a great uncle, George BROOKS, served with the 17th Lancers in South Africa. As a Boer War novice would SKS please advise me how I might find out if it's true. Thanks in advance, Roger B.

i have information on a birth certificate .from cork ireland that the father was in the 3rd hussars in the year 1890. this was second child born the first child born to this couple was born in banbury england 1888, what do i need to get the fathers military record and i wounder did he go off to south africa?

Good morning all, Can anyone tell me whether records of the two South African medals will be available at the Army Medal Office at the MoD, Droitwich for those issued to members of the Volunteers and the Yeomanry? Chris

Hello, David Thank you very much for the information All the best Heather in Yorkshire Hi Heather, I don't have the Queen's South Africa Medal roll for the Rifle Brigade but this is in subseries WO 100/210 at the National Archives (PRO) in Kew. Regards, David Hello, David Thank you once again for all of the detailed information that you have sent to me. I have ordered a few books on the Boer War from Huddersfield library. Do you have the medal roll for the 2nd Battalion Rifle Brigade, please? I know that Charles Edward Lowman was awarded the South African medals. Thanks again Heather in Huddersfield

Hi Heather, I don't have the Queen's South Africa Medal roll for the Rifle Brigade but this is in subseries WO 100/210 at the National Archives (PRO) in Kew. Regards, David ----- Original Message ----- From: Heather Smith <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 10:32 PM Subject: [BOER-WAR]South African Medals Rifle Brigade Winchester > Hello, David > > Thank you once again for all of the detailed information that you have sent > to me. I have ordered a few books on the Boer War from Huddersfield library. > > Do you have the medal roll for the 2nd Battalion Rifle Brigade, please? I > know that Charles Edward Lowman was awarded the South African medals. > > Thanks again > > Heather in Huddersfield

Back in the early days of the 20th century John Stirling wrote two books "The Colonials In South Africa" and "Imperial Forces in SA" I have certainly had the first one from the National Library John, and have an idea at the back of my mind that the other is there too. That should show some info. I also have the book of the "'96 rebellion" in Rhodesia and the 7th does feature there. Names of casualties are listed. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Lister" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, 4 October 2003 09:13 PM Subject: Re: [BOER-WAR] Re: finding Boer War Soldiers > Hello all > > I am a new member to the group. > > My grandfarther as per his military records (WO97) joined the 7th Hussars in > April 1892 and after serving in India (03/02/1892 to 22/10/1895) and > Rhodesia (23/10/1895 to 29/11/1898) was call up again and served in South > Africa from 03/12/1901 to 06/06/1902. This made him eligable for a QSA with > 5 clasps (SA 1901, SA 1902, Cape Colony, Transvaal and Orange Free State). > > I have nothing else, and am trying to find out if anyone out there has any > history on the involvement of the 7th Hussars in the 1901 - 1902 Boer War. > > Look forward to hearing from someone in due course. > John Lister > Auckland > New Zealand > > > > ==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== > Boer War List Page > http://freespace.virgin.net/anglers.rest/BoerWar.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Thanks Terry Regards ........ John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terence Whelan" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 10:57 AM Subject: [BOER-WAR] Re:- Finding Soldiers > 7th (Queens Own) Hussars sailed on 30th Nov.1901 on the Manchester Merchant on arrival they were brigaded with the2nd.(Queens Bays) Dragoon Guards under a Col Lawley. The Brigade was to operate in the Winburg district and spent some time Nth of the Orange River Colony. at the end of February they took part in Gen. Elliots drive when Steyn and De Wet broke the line near Vrede and with the help of the New Zealanders drove them back capturing hundreds of prisoners and ammunition,horses and cattle. in March the Brigade was moved to Springs in the Transvaal and on 1st April were involved in severe fighting and outnumbered they made an orderly retreat to Leeuwkop taking heavy casualties they then received the support of the 7th Hussars and their guns the Bays losses were 2 Sqd Leaders 10 Ncos and 5 officers and 59 men wounded > Terry > > > ==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== > Boer War Reading > http://freespace.virgin.net/anglers.rest/BoerWarReading.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > >

7th (Queens Own) Hussars sailed on 30th Nov.1901 on the Manchester Merchant on arrival they were brigaded with the2nd.(Queens Bays) Dragoon Guards under a Col Lawley. The Brigade was to operate in the Winburg district and spent some time Nth of the Orange River Colony. at the end of February they took part in Gen. Elliots drive when Steyn and De Wet broke the line near Vrede and with the help of the New Zealanders drove them back capturing hundreds of prisoners and ammunition,horses and cattle. in March the Brigade was moved to Springs in the Transvaal and on 1st April were involved in severe fighting and outnumbered they made an orderly retreat to Leeuwkop taking heavy casualties they then received the support of the 7th Hussars and their guns the Bays losses were 2 Sqd Leaders 10 Ncos and 5 officers and 59 men wounded Terry

Hello all I am a new member to the group. My grandfarther as per his military records (WO97) joined the 7th Hussars in April 1892 and after serving in India (03/02/1892 to 22/10/1895) and Rhodesia (23/10/1895 to 29/11/1898) was call up again and served in South Africa from 03/12/1901 to 06/06/1902. This made him eligable for a QSA with 5 clasps (SA 1901, SA 1902, Cape Colony, Transvaal and Orange Free State). I have nothing else, and am trying to find out if anyone out there has any history on the involvement of the 7th Hussars in the 1901 - 1902 Boer War. Look forward to hearing from someone in due course. John Lister Auckland New Zealand

Hello, David Thank you once again for all of the detailed information that you have sent to me. I have ordered a few books on the Boer War from Huddersfield library. Do you have the medal roll for the 2nd Battalion Rifle Brigade, please? I know that Charles Edward Lowman was awarded the South African medals. Thanks again Heather in Huddersfield Hello Heather, The 2nd Battalion Rifle Brigade was besieged in Ladysmith while the 1st Battalion was in the relief force. The siege lasted from 2/11/1899 until 28/2/1900. 2/RB landed in Durban in S.S. Jelunga 26/10/1899 and reached Ladysmith 30/10/1899, only three days before the town was cut off. 2/RB was specifically involved in a couple of actions during the siege. On 9/12/1899 five companies made a night attack on a Boer gun position on Surprise Hill outside Ladysmith. The attack was successful and the gun destroyed but they ran into trouble on the way back to Ladysmith. The Boers had managed to work round the back of the RB and cut off their escape and they had to fight their way out with the bayonet. They lost 12 killed, 36 wounded and 10 missing. The whole battalion was involved in the battle of Wagon Hill 6/1/1900 which was the only serious attempt by the Boers to capture Ladysmith. They lost 18 killed and 37 wounded. More general details of the siege can be found in any history of the war. Regards, David Hello, David Can you possibly assist me in finding the name of unit of the Rifle Brigade that my great grandfather joined in 1894, please? Also information on the besiege of Ladysmith. Charles Edward Lowman of Hampshire joined the Rifle Brigade at the age of 18 in 1894. He took part in the Nile Expedition in 1898 was at the battle of Omdurman, the occupation of Crete and was in South Africa 1899-1902, being one of those besieged at Ladysmith. Charles rejoined for WW1 in 1914 and was awarded seven medals, none are in the family's procession. The Sudan, Khedive's medal , with Khartoum clasp, South African medals and clasps,, the 1914 Star, the Victory medal, and the King' medal. The Rifle Brigade at Winchester and the Totton British Legion sounded the Last Post and Reveille at his funeral on 22nd August 1936. Regards Heather Smith formerly Lowman

Good morning, I am trying to find out what happened to a great uncle, Lt. Robert James Watson (born 7th. Feb. 1876), who joined the 24th. Battalion Imperial Yeomanry and was in one of the Metropolitan Mounted Rifles. Previously he had been with the C.I.V. (through the 2nd. Middlesex Volunteer Artilery) but had been invalided home in May 1900. When he was fit again, he joined the M.M.R. on 13th. April 1901 and sailed for South Africa (I have a Crossing-the-Line certifcate of his dated April 1901, but no ship's name). He served with them until 3rd. May 1902 and finally resigned on 1st. October 1902. During this time (from his own C.V.) he was "Adjudant 24 Batt. I.Y.", "Staff Officer to Col. Byrne on General French's Staff", "Commanded a Squadron of Yeoman Cavalry" "Commanded Column Scouts", "Supply, Transport Officer to Column -unreadable [= on Srnergin\?y - sorry, can't read last word]" His King's medal includes the clasp 'Transvaal' (I don't have the medals, just a poor photo) Things get complicated as he was noted as serving with the Army Service Corps from 23rd. December 1901 to 3rd. May 1902, having been in the Casualty Lists as being "missing, but since rejoined" on 25th. December 1901. Much of this is from his records at the Corporation of London, which went on to add that the "missing, but since rejoined" usually inferred that a man was captured by the Boars but later escaped or was released due to lack of holding facilities. Can anyone add to the above, or possibly explain the Army Service Corps reference - could this have been a secondment, or attachment for protecting supplies. I woould also be interested in the titles of any books which might give some details of the M.M.R. (I currently have 'Absent Minded Beggars' on loan from the local library, but have not been able to find any of the books published just after the Boar Wars). All help or suggestions will be very much appreciated, yours sincerely, Chris Woods

A frequent query is how to find a possible Boer War soldier when his regiment is not known. The Anglo-Boer War Memorials Project has various offers to research soldiers in the war, even if their regiment or unit is not known. I am not a member, have not used them and do not know anything about their services, but they may be worth trying! http://www.casus-belli.co.uk/abwmp/Research_Services/research_services. html or go to Research Services from their homepage: http://www.casus-belli.co.uk/abwmp/index.html Yours, John Wilson (Wellington, New Zealand)

Hi Folks, My Gt. Uncle, Cornelius George Henry Morritt COOPER came from Askern, Nr. Doncaster. Can anyone tell me what regiment he was likely to have been in and how to find out about his army record. He survived the war, but died in 1909 from heart and respiratory problems. Jill