Hi All, I am searching for information on a # 4419 Gunner T. Hudson R.F.A. Who I believe was killed on the 09. 04-02 at Standerton . S.A. Is there ant way that I can find out his Christian name ? would there be any records of this man giving his service number. Would his wife and family, location be given on his pay docs, or nominal role for that time.? Would his family have been housed by his regiment in married quarters, while he was away. ? What regiment or Battery would he have been attached to . ? I ask these questions because I believe that this man could be my long lost maternal Grandfather. Thomas Hudson . I do hope that some kind soul may be able to help me in my quest , by information or pointing me in the right direction. Thank you. Have a nice day. Bill In Weymouth N.Z.

> Why would a Royal Engineers Sapper, George Assiter No 27382 who joined the > Army on 9.3.1893 in Chatham UK, end up discharged in Pretoria, S.Africa in > 1905? Wouldn't he have had to return to England for discharge? Usually he would but since he had chosen to stay in South Africa he could have applied for special treatment. South Africa was of course a British colony at that time so he would have had no trouble staying on. > His Army record states that he passed classes of instruction in Photography > "skilled" in 1894 and Swimming at Cape Town inn 1899. An unusual > combination for the army? Not necessarily for a Engineer. Engineers often are asked to build bridges etc. so by being around water much of the time swimming ability would have been a pre-requisite for a sapper. Engineers were also educated men with good mechanical skills so a man would have loved to take a course in something that was "Modern High Tech" like photography. Map making and road building etc would all have needed photography by that time to speed things up. A natural thing for engineers to get involved with. Nelson Denton --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.522 / Virus Database: 320 - Release Date: 29-Sep-03

Hi Ted Not that I am aware of. My paternal grandfather was actually christened PIPE - the family name for generations. By the time he married in 1902 he was using the name PIKE, as were several of his siblings who moved from south Somerset (place of origin) to Glamorgan. PIPE is even less common than PIKE, only really occurring in south Somerset, Suffolk and Warwickshire prior to the 19th century. David Pike (formerly Pipe!) Lowestoft ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Boyle" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 10:37 PM Subject: Re: [BOER-WAR] Served in the South African War > Hi David, > as "PIKE" is such an unusual surname could you be related to the family > resident for many years in SNODLAND KENT ? if so would you please contact > me. > Cheers! Ted > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Pike" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 8:31 AM > Subject: [BOER-WAR] Served in the South African War > > > > Dear List > > > > I wonder if anyone can help me confirm whether or not the following two > > individuals served in the 1899-1902 South AfricanWar: > > > > 1) Abraham GULLIDGE (b. Curry Rivel, Somerset circa 1860) > > > > 2) Arthur PIPE (might be using name PIKE by this time) (b. Curry Rivel, > > Somerset 1876) > > > > Many thanks > > > > David Pike > > Lowestoft > > Suffolk > > > > > > > > ==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== > > Boer War List Page > > http://freespace.virgin.net/anglers.rest/BoerWar.htm > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > ==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== > Boer War Links > http://freespace.virgin.net/anglers.rest/BoerWarLinks.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > >

Hi David, as "PIKE" is such an unusual surname could you be related to the family resident for many years in SNODLAND KENT ? if so would you please contact me. Cheers! Ted ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Pike" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 8:31 AM Subject: [BOER-WAR] Served in the South African War > Dear List > > I wonder if anyone can help me confirm whether or not the following two > individuals served in the 1899-1902 South AfricanWar: > > 1) Abraham GULLIDGE (b. Curry Rivel, Somerset circa 1860) > > 2) Arthur PIPE (might be using name PIKE by this time) (b. Curry Rivel, > Somerset 1876) > > Many thanks > > David Pike > Lowestoft > Suffolk > > > > ==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== > Boer War List Page > http://freespace.virgin.net/anglers.rest/BoerWar.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > >

Thanks Wendy - all information gratefully received! Judy on 19/10/03 2:41 PM, Wendy King at [email protected] wrote: > Hi Judy > > A Sapper was the Royal Engineers (formerlt the Royal Sappers and Miners) > equivalent of a corporal, responsible for digging trenches and doing the work > on building bridges, and whatever other structures were needed. > > The photography would probably to provide information about terrain etc > > regards > > Wendy > ----- Original Message ----- >

Thanks Nelson........all information gratefully received and adds to the story. George probably stayed on in Cape Town because he had met a woman he wanted to marry and with whom he had two children. He didn't tell her that he had two children back in the UK, one of them my grandmother who always said that her father "went to Africa and was never heard of again!" I found him though...........! Cheers!...........Judy on 19/10/03 1:02 PM, Nelson Denton at [email protected] wrote: >> Why would a Royal Engineers Sapper, George Assiter No 27382 who joined the >> Army on 9.3.1893 in Chatham UK, end up discharged in Pretoria, S.Africa in >> 1905? Wouldn't he have had to return to England for discharge? > > Usually he would but since he had chosen to stay in South Africa he could > have applied for special treatment. South Africa was of course a British > colony at that time so he would have had no trouble staying on. > >> His Army record states that he passed classes of instruction in > Photography >> "skilled" in 1894 and Swimming at Cape Town inn 1899. An unusual >> combination for the army? > > Not necessarily for a Engineer. Engineers often are asked to build bridges > etc. so by being around water much of the time swimming ability would have > been a pre-requisite for a sapper. > Engineers were also educated men with good mechanical skills so a man would > have loved to take a course in something that was "Modern High Tech" like > photography. Map making and road building etc would all have needed > photography by that time to speed things up. A natural thing for engineers > to get involved with. > > Nelson Denton > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.522 / Virus Database: 320 - Release Date: 29-Sep-03 > > > ==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== > Getting Started on Boer War Research? > http://freespace.virgin.net/anglers.rest/BWInfo.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Good morning Leigh, Just a brief note to let you know that I haven't forgotten you. I should be able to send you smoe photos in about 4 weeks. Regards George Ward Melbourne -----Original Message----- From: Leigh Willoughby [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, 7 October 2003 4:17 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [BOER-WAR] New Zealand Mounted Rifles Hello fellow listers, I am currently putting a website together for the ten N.Z. Contingents that went to South Africa (just over 6000), The website will be similar to the CWGC with a picture of the soldier if available and his grave stone, The headstone photos i cannot at this stage guarantee that they will be on the website due to the amount of room required but will certainly be avaliable free of charge via email. All soldier pics will be on the website. The information i am looking for is the soldiers burial locations and a picture of the soldier and his grave if they are available, also any other material such as letters home etc concerning the campaign this includes all the soldiers that went, not just ones who died in and around the campaign. TIA. Regards Leigh Hokitika, Best Place in N.Z. [email protected] _________________________________________________________________ Need more speed? Get Xtra Jetstream @ http://www.xtra.co.nz/products/0,,5803,00.html ! ==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== List Admin Message http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Bill: I do have his Christian Name but I can tell you that he served with 8th Battery, Royal Field Artillery and "4419" is his service number. There won't be any service papers for him at the PRO because he was a casualty. Normally the medal rolls do not give the man's Christian name, only his initials. The casualty roll indicates that he was killed by lightning. Regards. Dick Flory > ---------- > From: Braden Brown > Reply To: [email protected] > Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 11:26 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [BOER-WAR] Gunner T. Hudson. > > Hi All, > > I am searching for information on a > > # 4419 Gunner T. Hudson R.F.A. > > Who I believe was killed on the 09. 04-02 at Standerton . S.A. > > Is there ant way that I can find out his Christian name ? would there be any records of this man giving his service number. > > Would his wife and family, location be given on his pay docs, or nominal role for that time.? > > Would his family have been housed by his regiment in married quarters, while he was away. ? > > What regiment or Battery would he have been attached to . ? > > I ask these questions because I believe that this man could be my long lost maternal Grandfather. Thomas Hudson . > > I do hope that some kind soul may be able to help me in my quest , by information or pointing me in the right direction. > > Thank you. > > Have a nice day. > > Bill In Weymouth N.Z. > > > ==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== > Getting Started on Boer War Research? > http://freespace.virgin.net/anglers.rest/BWInfo.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > >

I am new to this list and would like to post my query: Why would a Royal Engineers Sapper, George Assiter No 27382 who joined the Army on 9.3.1893 in Chatham UK, end up discharged in Pretoria, S.Africa in 1905? Wouldn't he have had to return to England for discharge? His Army record states that he passed classes of instruction in Photography "skilled" in 1894 and Swimming at Cape Town inn 1899. An unusual combination for the army? His Campaign medals are from S.Africa 1899-02 and Kings S.A. Medal and clasp, 1901 and 1902. After discharge he stayed on in Cape Town and did not return to the UK. Any thoughts? Thanks so much.............Judy. Perth/W.Australia

Hi George, Thank you for your reply, What I was trying to ascertain was do those records exist? Did the MRO just send what was available, or because I quoted 2 wars and two service numbers -they sent the last on file? Some records I have been told not longer exist --because of fire damage in WW2". I don't want to engage a researcher at Kew if the records are destroyed.... Thank you June

Good morning, To my limited knowledge the Boer War records are available at the PRO Kew but you need to visit them yourself to obtain a copy. If you can't get there, then you need to employ a researcher to get them for you. I am sure the PRO should have a list of researchers available. The files No WO97 seem to spring to mind for the Boer War but it is a long time since I've researched in this area. Good luck with your quest. George Ward Melbourne -----Original Message----- From: June Adderley [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, 17 October 2003 6:59 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [BOER-WAR] Records Dear Listers, I have recently been to the Museum of the Manchester's in Ashton nr Manchester. I was informed that their records are now at the PRO , Kew, moved from the Army Records Centre, Bourne Ave. Hayes. My G Father served in the 2nd Battalion Manchester's in the Boer War, and in the 13th Battalion in WW1, when I sent the fee of £25.00 to Bourne Ave--asking for any of the Boer War Records he might have, they sent the WW1 records. Does this mean that the Boer War records are lost for this battalion ?or is it worth making a fresh enquiry to the PRO thank you M.J.Adderley 17/10/03 ==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== Getting Started on Boer War Research? http://freespace.virgin.net/anglers.rest/BWInfo.htm ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Dear Listers, I have recently been to the Museum of the Manchester's in Ashton nr Manchester. I was informed that their records are now at the PRO , Kew, moved from the Army Records Centre, Bourne Ave. Hayes. My G Father served in the 2nd Battalion Manchester's in the Boer War, and in the 13th Battalion in WW1, when I sent the fee of £25.00 to Bourne Ave--asking for any of the Boer War Records he might have, they sent the WW1 records. Does this mean that the Boer War records are lost for this battalion ?or is it worth making a fresh enquiry to the PRO thank you M.J.Adderley 17/10/03

Dear List I wonder if anyone can help me confirm whether or not the following two individuals served in the 1899-1902 South AfricanWar: 1) Abraham GULLIDGE (b. Curry Rivel, Somerset circa 1860) 2) Arthur PIPE (might be using name PIKE by this time) (b. Curry Rivel, Somerset 1876) Many thanks David Pike Lowestoft Suffolk

Good morning all, I'm trying to contact a John Wilson of Wellington, New Zealand - possibly was at [email protected] , regarding the Calcutta Volunteer Rifles. Can anyone help as I had a great uncle who was in the 2nd. Battalion, as a colour sergeant in 1911 and a captain in 1913 about whom I'm trying to find out more information. Thanks, Chris

Dear List My Grandfather served in the Boer War with the Manchester's, from the medal bars-which list the battle locations, it seems he was in the Mounted Infantry. He was born in July 1869, so would be 32 in South Africa.-- only Queens medal awarded--so left before 1902? He Married in 1904, when he had obviously left the service. He re-enlisted? in WW1 when he was then 45, and served in France, and England until 1918 On his WW 1 records , in answer to question 11, Have you previously served in the army ?--- it is written 2nd Batt Manchester's,Time expired.- (he served in the 13th Batt in WW1) and is described as an engineers fitter. Can anyone tell me what his likely period of service might have been --that is how old was he when he first joined The Manchester's. I can find him on the Census for 1881, when he was 12 as a scholar in a relatives household, ( he was an orphan at 11),--- but not for 1891, when he was 22. If he joined at 21, I suppose he might have been an apprentice in industry before he went, or did the Army train engineers -at this time? that would have given him 10 years service in the Army. Any suggestions please?

John Stirling's two books: "Our Regiments in South Africa 1899-1902" (1903, Edinburgh) and: "The Colonials in South Africa" (1907, Edinburgh). were published by William Blackwood and Sons of Edinburgh and London (not by T.C. Jack!). I think that one has been reprinted. The 7th (Queen's Own) Hussars is mentioned on page 433 of "Our Regiments in South Africa"; the Regiment sailed on the Manchester Merchant on 30th November 1901, and shortly after arrival were brigaded with the 2nd Dragoon Guards (Queen's Bays) under Colonel the Hon. R. T. Lawley "to operate in the Winburg district. The Brigade was for some time in the north of the Orange River Colony ... and took part in General Elliott's great drive in the last half of February .... resulted in over 800 prisoners, 25,000 cattle, 2000 horses, 200 waggons, and 50,000 rounds of ammunition. In March 1902 Lawley's brigade was moved to Springs in the Transvaal and on 1st April had severe fighting" near Leeuwkop when he realised the Boers had superior numbers and had to retreat on Leeuwkop east of Springs in the Eastern Transvaal (page 408-9). Yours, John Wilson (Wellington, New Zealand) > My grandfarther as per his military records (WO97) joined the 7th Hussars in > April 1892 and after serving in India (03/02/1892 to 22/10/1895) and > Rhodesia (23/10/1895 to 29/11/1898) was call up again and served in South > Africa from 03/12/1901 to 06/06/1902. This made him eligable for a QSA with > 5 clasps (SA 1901, SA 1902, Cape Colony, Transvaal and Orange Free State). > > I have nothing else, and am trying to find out if anyone out there has any > history on the involvement of the 7th Hussars in the 1901 - 1902 Boer War. > > Look forward to hearing from someone in due course. > John Lister > Auckland > New Zealand >

Good morning all, I'm trying to contact a John Wilson of Wellington, New Zealand - possibly was at [email protected] , regarding the Calcutta Volunteer Rifles. Can anyone help as I had a great uncle who was in the 2nd. Battalion, as a colour sergeant in 1911 and a captain in 1913 about whom I'm trying to find out more information. Thanks, Chris

Hello John Thank you for your reply and you are right it would be WW2. David enlisted in the forces and went overseas but I do not know which one or where he went. He sent a girl home to Dunedin he was going to marry but never came back himself, we believe he changed his mind and returned to live in the North Island. Rather a colourful character in our family tree I thought he would be interesting to research but and not knowing where he died I probably will not have a lot of success. I thought the war records could help but realise I will have to find more about him to start with. Kind regards Alison

Hi Alison: The WWI NZEF Rolls have been put on CD-ROM by the St John's Group, which I could check on Friday. Not on website as far as I am aware. And the WWII 2NZEF Rolls are not on either. But if he was born 1908 are we looking at WWII not WWI ?? Do you know that he enrolled, was accepted and went overseas ?? Yours, John > Hello John and List > > Thank you for your information on the Boer war and email address to request > further information. I appreciate your help. > > Do you know of a site giving names or where I could find New Zealand > servicemen who went away to WW1. With a name David Smith/Williams born > 1908 Dunedin it may be difficult to find. His parents were not married, birth > registration Williams (mothers name) but commonly known as Smith. > (father's name). > Thank you for all your help > > Alison Darby > Christchurch >

Hello John and List Thank you for your information on the Boer war and email address to request further information. I appreciate your help. Do you know of a site giving names or where I could find New Zealand servicemen who went away to WW1. With a name David Smith/Williams born 1908 Dunedin it may be difficult to find. His parents were not married, birth registration Williams (mothers name) but commonly known as Smith. ( father's name). Thank you for all your help Alison Darby Christchurch