Hi I think it depends upon the enlistment sheet.. My grandfather served in India then the Boer War. His military History Sheet (A4) shows the record of service-location ie -Home 1/10/1888 -17/9/1991 2years 352 days...in a series of cols. totall= 15 years It gives a series of `questions 18- Name, Parish/town/county. age, occupation,apprenticeship, previous service,vaccinations,.... signature of recruit. Also a handwritten will -showing next of kin and their address. Which in his case was his brother, and his lodgings, My grandfather joined at 18, as he was an orphan.There are at least six sheets of information --and I supposes vary with the solider. Well worth the effort in finding them.--if they are availbale. My grandfather was in the Manchesters.t 5/05, gazza <gazza@gazza.homechoice.co.uk> wrote: > Hi all, assuming you went to Kew & were lucky enough to find the right > person, what information could you expect to find on them exactly? Would it > give there last known civilian address before joining up & perhaps > family/next of kin or anything like that? > > ==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== > Getting Started on Boer War Research? > http://freespace.virgin.net/anglers.rest/BWInfo.htm > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > -- juno@firecube.co.uk / M.J.Adderley

Hi all, assuming you went to Kew & were lucky enough to find the right person, what information could you expect to find on them exactly? Would it give there last known civilian address before joining up & perhaps family/next of kin or anything like that?

Robyn, On the South African Archives is the following record which might be him in spite of the incorrect spelling of the surname: ----- Start ----- DEPOT TAB SOURCE MHG TYPE LEER VOLUME_NO 0 SYSTEM 01 REFERENCE 23996 PART 1 DESCRIPTION BRENDER, DAVID LUDWIG. STARTING 19140000 ENDING 19140000 ----- End ----- I would suggest that you write to the Archives in Pretoria and ask for a lookup. Source "MHG" indicates that the document originates from the "Master of the Supreme Court, Pretoria. Estates". The document (a file) is dated 1914. You can contact the Pretoria Archives at the address below. National Archives Repository The Head Postal address: Private Bag X236, PRETORIA 0001 Street address: 24 Hamilton Street, Arcadia, PRETORIA Tel: (012) 323 5300. Fax: (012) 323 5287 E-mail: enquiries@dac.gov.za If they will not do the lookup, I could recommend a researcher. Regards, Gerold Whittaker, South Africa. -----Original Message----- From: Robyn Hilan [mailto:rhilan@nnsw.quik.com.au] Sent: 13 April 2005 07:03 AM To: BOER-WAR-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [BOER-WAR] david ludwig bender Although not a direct ancestor of mine, david is proving to be a difficult "loose end" on an almost complete family chart. According to his more direct family, he "cleared off to the Boer war" leaving his little children who had recently lost their mother, and apparently never returned to Australia. He lived in northern new south wales Australia before leaving for the War, but I cannot find him on any nominal roll here. The more immediate family have not been able to help me. On one of their marriage certicates (1912) it says "father, reputedly deceased". I don't think he died during the war, but it is possible he remained in South Africa. Any suggestions would be welcome. robyn hilan, Ballina NSW

Hello, does anyone know if there is a list (and is so, where I might find it) of the hospitals in Cork where the British Army sent soldiers wounded in the Boer War? I've heard of two different hospitals: 1. The BRITISH MILITARY HOSPITAL in Cork, Co. Cork 2. ST. ANNE'S HOSPITAL in Shandon (in an area between Blarney and Tower in Co. Cork appx. 5 miles from the city) I am trying to find out which hospital my grandfather, PATRICK CONNORS/CONNOR was sent to on his return from South Africa. Many thanks for any help you can give me, Susan in Beautiful BC

Although not a direct ancestor of mine, david is proving to be a difficult "loose end" on an almost complete family chart. According to his more direct family, he "cleared off to the Boer war" leaving his little children who had recently lost their mother, and apparently never returned to Australia. He lived in northern new south wales Australia before leaving for the War, but I cannot find him on any nominal roll here. The more immediate family have not been able to help me. On one of their marriage certicates (1912) it says "father, reputedly deceased". I don't think he died during the war, but it is possible he remained in South Africa. Any suggestions would be welcome. robyn hilan, Ballina NSW

Hi again Carol - Schneider was in 1/4th (Hallamshire Territorial) Battalion York & Lancaster Regiment and was KIA in Flanders 9 October 1917. Born Doncaster. Enlisted Rotherham. He was aged 26 and was the son of Frederick & Elizabeth Schneider of 27 Rowms Lane, Swinton, Rotherham. He has no known grave and is commemorated on the Tyne Cot Memorial, Zonnebeke, Belgium. Regards, David Carol Lylyk <clylyk@telus.net> wrote: Hello David, Sorry, I didn't read your message carefully enough this morning and missed the part about the CD covering WW1. I don't believe this Heigold is related as the Heigolds I am researching were all Pork Butchers which I don't believe people of the Jewish faith would have been. Thanks for the information on Pte Heigold though. I will keep this on file as you never know what you will find down the road. Would you mind looking on the CD for a John Schneider, #32190 York and Lancaster Regiment, who was killed in France in WW1? TIA Carol Lylyk Calgary Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

Hi Carol - 3071 Pte. H. Heigold, 1st Battalion West Riding Regiment, is shown in my references as having been mortally wounded at the Battle of Paardeberg 18/2/1900, dying the same day. Such a discrepancy with contemporary newspaper reports (compiled from information supplied by the War Office) is not uncommon. He is shown as having been originally buried at Thornbury Cemetery, Paardeberg but exhumed and reinterred at Vendusie Drift Cemetery, Paardeberg. His religion is shown as Jewish. No individual grave marker survives but his name is shown on the regimental memorial at the cemetery. The CD-ROM I have covers only men of the British army who died in WW1. Regards, David Carol Lylyk <clylyk@telus.net> wrote: Hello David Humphry While searching through the London Times Archives I came across a list of men killed and found one for Pte H Heigold, #3071, 1st West Riding Regiment. He was killed by gunshot March 13 2000, at Jacobsdal. As there were not very many Heigolds in England at that time I would like to find out more about him and was wondering if there is any information available on the CD that you mentioned. TIA Carol Lylyk Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

I have in my possession a badge that has the words 'EENDR MAGT MAAKT' printed on it. Does anyone have any knowledge on what it all means. It doesn't seem to be a military badge as it only has a hole in the top, perhaps it was to be worn around the neck. It seems like it might be a type of patriotic badge as it has several pictures stamped on it. Thanks for any information. Jenny

----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenny bakken" <jennyb@ocis.net> I have in my possession a badge that has the words 'EENDR MAGT MAAKT' printed on it. Eendracht maak Macht was the motto of the Union of South Africa, established in 1910. It means "Unity is Strength" Thousands upon thousands of patriotic pieces of the sort you describe were produced after 1948 when Afrikaner Nationalism was at its peak. As far as I can recall, the motto remained until the Afrikaner regeme collapsed and the new South Africa came into being. Edric Russell Queenstown South Africa russ@eci.co.za

Thank you very much David. It is sad the number of young men that perished that never even had a burial. Such a waste. Carol Lylyk ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Humphry" <davidh9999@yahoo.co.uk> To: <BOER-WAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [BOER-WAR] Pte. H Heigold | Hi again Carol - Schneider was in 1/4th (Hallamshire Territorial) Battalion York & Lancaster Regiment and was KIA in Flanders 9 October 1917. Born Doncaster. Enlisted Rotherham. He was aged 26 and was the son of Frederick & Elizabeth Schneider of 27 Rowms Lane, Swinton, Rotherham. He has no known grave and is commemorated on the Tyne Cot Memorial, Zonnebeke, Belgium. | | Regards, David | | Carol Lylyk <clylyk@telus.net> wrote: | Hello David, | Sorry, I didn't read your message carefully enough this morning | and missed the part about the CD covering WW1. I don't believe | this Heigold is related as the Heigolds I am researching were all | Pork Butchers which I don't believe people of the Jewish faith | would have been. | | Thanks for the information on Pte Heigold though. I will keep | this on file as you never know what you will find down the road. | | Would you mind looking on the CD for a John Schneider, #32190 | York and Lancaster Regiment, who was killed in France in WW1? | | TIA | | Carol Lylyk | Calgary | | Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com | | | ==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== | Boer War List Page | http://freespace.virgin.net/anglers.rest/BoerWar.htm | | ============================== | Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the | last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx | |

Hello David, Sorry, I didn't read your message carefully enough this morning and missed the part about the CD covering WW1. I don't believe this Heigold is related as the Heigolds I am researching were all Pork Butchers which I don't believe people of the Jewish faith would have been. Thanks for the information on Pte Heigold though. I will keep this on file as you never know what you will find down the road. Would you mind looking on the CD for a John Schneider, #32190 York and Lancaster Regiment, who was killed in France in WW1? TIA Carol Lylyk Calgary ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Humphry" <davidh9999@yahoo.co.uk> To: <BOER-WAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [BOER-WAR] Pte. H Heigold | Hi Carol - 3071 Pte. H. Heigold, 1st Battalion West Riding Regiment, is shown in my references as having been mortally wounded at the Battle of Paardeberg 18/2/1900, dying the same day. Such a discrepancy with contemporary newspaper reports (compiled from information supplied by the War Office) is not uncommon. He is shown as having been originally buried at Thornbury Cemetery, Paardeberg but exhumed and reinterred at Vendusie Drift Cemetery, Paardeberg. His religion is shown as Jewish. No individual grave marker survives but his name is shown on the regimental memorial at the cemetery. | | The CD-ROM I have covers only men of the British army who died in WW1. | | Regards, David | | Carol Lylyk <clylyk@telus.net> wrote: | Hello David Humphry | | While searching through the London Times Archives I came across a | list of men killed and found one for Pte H Heigold, #3071, 1st | West Riding Regiment. He was killed by gunshot March 13 2000, at | Jacobsdal. | | As there were not very many Heigolds in England at that time I | would like to find out more about him and was wondering if there | is any information available on the CD that you mentioned. | | TIA | |

Hi Lesley - Unfortunately the enlistment information was on the attestation and service papers which will not have survived. I have a CD-ROM wich gives some details of men who died in WW1. If you can remind me of his full name and regiment I'll check him out for you. Regards, David Lesley Chivers <l.chivers@a-m-u.net> wrote: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lesley Chivers" To: "David Humphry" Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 3:13 PM Subject: Re: [BOER-WAR] DCM > Hi David, > > Thank you for your interesting reply. How would I find out where George > enlisted ? Do you have this info as well. > I can't tell you how much I appreciate the help this board has given me, > thanks > > Lesley Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

Hello David Humphry While searching through the London Times Archives I came across a list of men killed and found one for Pte H Heigold, #3071, 1st West Riding Regiment. He was killed by gunshot March 13 2000, at Jacobsdal. As there were not very many Heigolds in England at that time I would like to find out more about him and was wondering if there is any information available on the CD that you mentioned. TIA Carol Lylyk Calgary Alberta Canada

----- Original Message ----- From: "Lesley Chivers" <l.chivers@a-m-u.net> To: "David Humphry" <davidh9999@yahoo.co.uk> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 3:13 PM Subject: Re: [BOER-WAR] DCM > Hi David, > > Thank you for your interesting reply. How would I find out where George > enlisted ? Do you have this info as well. > I can't tell you how much I appreciate the help this board has given me, > thanks > > Lesley > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Humphry" <davidh9999@yahoo.co.uk> > To: <BOER-WAR-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 6:46 AM > Subject: Re: [BOER-WAR] DCM > > >> Hi Lesley, >> >> It's not at all unusual for men to serve in the same regiment in the Boer >> War and WW1 with two different numbers. In most cases this is because >> they finished their stint as a regular soldier before 1914 and then >> volunteered again for WW1. In some cases of course men served in >> different regiments for the same reason. Some men also had different >> numbers in WW1 as a result of a change of numbering system in their units >> during the war. (e.g. In some cases a 4 figure number was changed to a 6 >> figure number). >> >> The despatches were published in the London Gazette so you could try a >> reference library for a microfilmed copy. Alternatively, I have details >> of all the Boer War despatches plus VC, DSO and DCM awards as they >> appeared in the LG in a reprint book called "South African War Honours >> and Awards 1899-1902 ". The IBSN number is 0-947898-74-3 and most >> booksellers (new or second hand) with a slant towards military history >> should either have a copy or be able to get one for you. Please bear in >> mind, however, that this mostly consists only of a list of names and >> units arranged by particular despatch. >> >> I found out about his wound in the casualty roll which I have as well as >> in my copy of "Recipients of the Distinguished Conduct Medal 1855-1919" >> by P.E. Abbott. ISBN number 0-903754-37-1. >> >> The only documentation you are likely to find at Kew are copies of the >> medal rolls which would confirm his medal and clasp entitlement. The >> Queen's South Africa Medal roll reference for the KOYLI is WO 100/194. >> The King's South Africa Medal rolls are are also in the series WO 100 but >> I don't know the individual regimental subseries references. His WW1 >> medal entitlement can now be obtained online from Kew. They charge £3.50 >> for a copy of a man's Medal Index Card. >> >> Regards, David >> >> Lesley Chivers <l.chivers@a-m-u.net> wrote: >> Hi David and Margaret, thanks for your replies and interest in this. >> Thanks for all your info David, I have a couple more questions. He served >> in the KOYLI in both the Boer and Great War yet I have two different >> numbers, is this normal ? >> Can I get a copy of Lord Kitchener's despatch dated 8/3/1901, where would >> I find that ? >> I did know that he was wounded at Elandsdrift, although my fathers cousin >> no longer had the medals she had a newspaper article that told of his >> bravery at Elandsdrift. I suppose I would like something official to >> confirm this. I will write to the regimental museum to see if they can >> help me. I was wondering how you found out about it. >> I was thinking of going to Kew when I come to England this summer but by >> the sounds of it may be a lost cause. I thought some of the records had >> survived, what leads you to believe that these will not have. >> >> Thanks again, Lesley >> >> Send instant messages to your online friends >> http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com >> >> ______________________________ >

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Hi List, Don't know if you are all aware but there is a searchable residential telephone directory on http://196.15.219.249 Put in the name and try by province or go to the bottom and search South Africa. Great toll for tracing names listed by Telkom Sure hope it helps someone trace a person or name in SA Regards Trevor Rubelli 30 Church Road Durban 4051 SOUTH AFRICA Telephone (H) +27 31 564 2909 (W) " " 302 4817 (Cell) +27 083 259 1644 Alt E-mail TrevorR@dmws.durban.gov.za

Hi Keiron, The family story was that the hospital was in the city of Cork in Co. Cork - it is good to have confirmation of the information. Thanks, Susan in Beautiful BC Keiron Spires wrote: > > On 4 Apr 2005, at 00:15, Family Tree wrote: > >> Hi Keiron, >> >> Thanks for your reply. I will check out the website you sent me. >> >> >> I understand my grandmother, ANNE KENNEDY, was not an army nurse but >> was employed locally. Do you have any idea where I might be able to >> find information on nurses who were locally employed at the British >> Military Hospital? >> > As far as I am aware, no records of the Medical/ Nursing services for > the Boer War exist. The first I have found are for WW1. > >> >> Do you, perchance, know if the hospital you spoke of was/is in the >> city of Cork or elsewhere in Co. Cork? > > > The hospital was in Cork (city) > > cheers > Keiron > _________________________________________ > Keiron Spires > [T: 01276 503246 F: 01276 501460 M: 07973 308328] > > > ==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== > Boer War List Page > http://freespace.virgin.net/anglers.rest/BoerWar.htm > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Hi Robin, I think my grandfather was still in the British Military Hospital in Cork, Co Cork at the time of the 1901 Census (he received a medical discharge in May 1901). Do you know if the British Army kept a record of this census? I ask as I understand a lot of the 1901 Census returns for/in Ireland are no longer available. Cheers, Susan in Beautiful BC Robin Wainwright wrote: >Hi Susan > >If the soldier was out of the country - eg in South Africa, then he would >not be on the census. If he was still in the country, or I presume, on a >ship in harbour he should be on the 1901 census index (bear in mind >mistrancriptions) > >Robin Wainwright - bristol UK >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Family Tree" <socfamilytree@telus.net> >To: <BOER-WAR-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 10:32 PM >Subject: [BOER-WAR] British Army 1901 Census > > > > >>Does anyone know if the British Army kept copies/originals of the 1901 >>Census of the men who were in the army at the time of the census? >> >>If so, does anyone know if this information is available and, if it is, >>where it is kept and whether or not it is available? >> >>Thanks, >>Susan in Beautiful BC >> >> >> >>==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== >>Boer War Reading >>http://freespace.virgin.net/anglers.rest/BoerWarReading.htm >> >>============================== >>Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. >>Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: >> >> >http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > > > >

Hi Susan If the soldier was out of the country - eg in South Africa, then he would not be on the census. If he was still in the country, or I presume, on a ship in harbour he should be on the 1901 census index (bear in mind mistrancriptions) Robin Wainwright - bristol UK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Family Tree" <socfamilytree@telus.net> To: <BOER-WAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 10:32 PM Subject: [BOER-WAR] British Army 1901 Census > Does anyone know if the British Army kept copies/originals of the 1901 > Census of the men who were in the army at the time of the census? > > If so, does anyone know if this information is available and, if it is, > where it is kept and whether or not it is available? > > Thanks, > Susan in Beautiful BC > > > > ==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== > Boer War Reading > http://freespace.virgin.net/anglers.rest/BoerWarReading.htm > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >

On 4 Apr 2005, at 00:15, Family Tree wrote: > Hi Keiron, > > Thanks for your reply. I will check out the website you sent me. > > > I understand my grandmother, ANNE KENNEDY, was not an army nurse but > was employed locally. Do you have any idea where I might be able to > find information on nurses who were locally employed at the British > Military Hospital? > As far as I am aware, no records of the Medical/ Nursing services for the Boer War exist. The first I have found are for WW1. > > Do you, perchance, know if the hospital you spoke of was/is in the > city of Cork or elsewhere in Co. Cork? The hospital was in Cork (city) cheers Keiron _________________________________________ Keiron Spires [T: 01276 503246 F: 01276 501460 M: 07973 308328]