Thank you, John, for your research, much appreciated. Jenny ----- Original Message ----- From: <CJohncronin@aol.com> To: <BOER-WAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 11:03 AM Subject: Re: [BOER-WAR] Ernest BUTLER > Jenny, > Two people died in the war with the Name E. Butler. Unfortunately the > casualty returns do not give more than the initial. I have put what > information I > have managed to get from my books below. > > 2937 PRIVATE E. BUTLER 14th HUSSARS DIED OF UNSPECIFIED DISEASE AT > NEWCASTLE > 18/12/1901 AGED 30. BURIED AT NEWCASTLE. > > 7883 PRIVATE E. BUTLER THORNEYCROFTS MOUNTED RIFLES DIED OF UNSPECIFIED > DISEASE AT STANDERTON 30/11/1900. AGE UNKNOWN, BURIED AT STANDERTON > MILITARY > CEMETERY AND REMEMBERED ON THE MAIN MONUMENT THERE. > > I hope this helps. > > Good Hunting > > John > > JOHN CRONIN > CHRISTCHURCH > DORSET > > > ==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== > Boer War Reading > http://freespace.virgin.net/anglers.rest/BoerWarReading.htm > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.2 - Release Date: 5/2/2005 > >

If you go to the web site of the Gloucester Regiment, there is an old photograph of the Gloucesters marching through St Helena Island with a large group of Boer War POWs - this will give you more information. I hope that this assists. Kirk & Annette Newman, Christchurch, New Zealand. ----- Original Message ----- From: "susan NEWMAN" <sueandkev@homebooks.freeserve.co.uk> To: <BOER-WAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 6:11 PM Subject: [BOER-WAR] Glos Regiments > Hi, > > I am writing to ask if anyone out there knows which Glos Regiments served in the Boer War. From what I can find out from local history, there was the Glos Regiment , the Glos Hussars and the Glos Yeomanry. Did they join together as one unit or did they fight separately. > > Be glad of any info anyone has. > Many thanks > Sue Newman > > > ==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== > Getting Started on Boer War Research? > http://freespace.virgin.net/anglers.rest/BWInfo.htm > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.5 - Release Date: 4/05/05 > >

Hi Susan, Why don't you try the Regimental museum at Gloucester. It is very good and should house the info that you seek. Regards, David B, in a cold Betty's Bay, South Africa awaiting the return of the southern right whales. -----Original Message----- From: susan NEWMAN [mailto:sueandkev@homebooks.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: 04 May 2005 08:12 To: BOER-WAR-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Glos Regiments Hi, I am writing to ask if anyone out there knows which Glos Regiments served in the Boer War. From what I can find out from local history, there was the Glos Regiment , the Glos Hussars and the Glos Yeomanry. Did they join together as one unit or did they fight separately. Be glad of any info anyone has. Many thanks Sue Newman ______________________________

Hi Sue: The 1971 reprint of the book of “Honours & Awards” below includes 7 pages of “Regimental Casualties” taken from the “Times History .. “ Vol VII. The table includes “period of Service in South Africa” and “Battles and operations present at”: 1st Gloucestershire Regt. (Oct ‘99-Aug ‘00): Rietfontein, Lombard’s Kop, (Nicholson’s Nek), Siege of Ladysmith 2nd Gloucestershire Regt. (Jan ‘00-end of war): Klip Kraal, Paardeberg, Driefontein No details (just casualties) though for the Royal Artillery, Royal Engineers, Royal Navy & Royal Marines, Imperial Yeomanry, Militia, C.I.V., Volunteers, Civil surgeons, Civilians, Australian Canadian & New Zealand Contingents, South African Corps and Other Contingents (from India & Ceylon?). And “After Pretoria” in 1901-1902 there were not “operations” ie battles, just the guerrilla war and farm-burning! Yours, John Wilson (New Zealand) > I am writing to ask if anyone out there knows which Glos Regiments served in the Boer War. From what I can find out from local history, there was the Glos Regiment , the Glos Hussars and the Glos Yeomanry. Did they join together as one unit or did they fight separately. The book! Title: South African war honours & awards, 1899-1902: officers and men of the army and navy mentioned in despatches. [South Africa, 1899-1902.] Publisher: London, Arms and Armour Press, 1971. ISBN: 0853680523 Description: [6], 140 p., 2 plates. illus. 26 cm. Subject: Great Britain. Army--Medals, badges, decorations, etc. Great Britain. Royal Navy--Medals, badges, decorations, etc. South African War, 1899-1902--Registers. South African War, 1899-1902--Medals.

Jenny, Two people died in the war with the Name E. Butler. Unfortunately the casualty returns do not give more than the initial. I have put what information I have managed to get from my books below. 2937 PRIVATE E. BUTLER 14th HUSSARS DIED OF UNSPECIFIED DISEASE AT NEWCASTLE 18/12/1901 AGED 30. BURIED AT NEWCASTLE. 7883 PRIVATE E. BUTLER THORNEYCROFTS MOUNTED RIFLES DIED OF UNSPECIFIED DISEASE AT STANDERTON 30/11/1900. AGE UNKNOWN, BURIED AT STANDERTON MILITARY CEMETERY AND REMEMBERED ON THE MAIN MONUMENT THERE. I hope this helps. Good Hunting John JOHN CRONIN CHRISTCHURCH DORSET

John, Many thanks for the explanation. Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: <CJohncronin@aol.com> To: <BOER-WAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [BOER-WAR] William Henry Cousins > The war was over in 1902 so he would not be classed as a war casualty. > In > MEMORIAM goes up until 1913 and there is a H.Wardell no regiment or rank > known > who died 14/05/1903. But the author does not know of what. Although his > grave has been found at a Johannesburg cemetery he is not on the war > memorial > suggesting that he may have worked for the army after the war but did not > die > during hostilities. I also have copies of the casualty returns sent to > the > war office every six months up until the end of the war but his death > falls > outside that period. > > John > > > > JOHN CRONIN > CHRISTCHURCH > DORSET > > > ==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== > Boer War Reading > http://freespace.virgin.net/anglers.rest/BoerWarReading.htm > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

The war was over in 1902 so he would not be classed as a war casualty. In MEMORIAM goes up until 1913 and there is a H.Wardell no regiment or rank known who died 14/05/1903. But the author does not know of what. Although his grave has been found at a Johannesburg cemetery he is not on the war memorial suggesting that he may have worked for the army after the war but did not die during hostilities. I also have copies of the casualty returns sent to the war office every six months up until the end of the war but his death falls outside that period. John JOHN CRONIN CHRISTCHURCH DORSET

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John, Thank you for correcting my spelling. Strange that John Thomas Wardell would not be mentioned since I have a death certificate indicating that he died of Typhoid Fever in Ladysmith in July,1903. Ray.Jones ----- Original Message ----- From: <CJohncronin@aol.com> To: <BOER-WAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 8:39 AM Subject: Re: [BOER-WAR] William Henry Cousins > Ray, > There is no entry for J. WARDELL. > > Good hunting > > John > > JOHN CRONIN > CHRISTCHURCH > DORSET > > > ==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== > Boer War Links > http://freespace.virgin.net/anglers.rest/BoerWarLinks.htm > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Good morning: I am researching ERNEST BUTTLER. He was killed in the Boer War and I understand he may have come from Chatham, Kent. I'd appreciate hearing from anyone regarding this man. Thank you, Jenny

The book is called IN MEMORIAM not IN MEMORIUM. JOHN CRONIN CHRISTCHURCH DORSET

Ray, There is no entry for J. WARDELL. Good hunting John JOHN CRONIN CHRISTCHURCH DORSET

Hi, I am writing to ask if anyone out there knows which Glos Regiments served in the Boer War. From what I can find out from local history, there was the Glos Regiment , the Glos Hussars and the Glos Yeomanry. Did they join together as one unit or did they fight separately. Be glad of any info anyone has. Many thanks Sue Newman

John, Would you mind looking for John Thomas Wardell,Royal Field Artillery, in the roll of honour please? Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: <CJohncronin@aol.com> To: <BOER-WAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 2:42 PM Subject: Re: [BOER-WAR] William Henry Cousins > Dear Keith, > I have looked up the roll of honour for the Boer War in the book IN > MEMORIUM. If your ggrandfather was in the artillery then he was not > killed in the > war. There is only one W. Cousins listed as a fatal casualty. The > details are > below: > > 5867 PRIVATE W. COUSINS 2nd GLOUCESTER REG. DIED FROM DISEASE AT CARNARVON > 13/1/1901. > > > JOHN CRONIN > CHRISTCHURCH > DORSET > > > ==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== > Boer War Reading > http://freespace.virgin.net/anglers.rest/BoerWarReading.htm > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > >

Hi Keith - Apart from the Victoria Cross the only gallantry medal an army ranker could be awarded for bravery in action at that time was the Distinguished Conduct Medal (DCM). Unfortunately he is not listed among the DCM winners for the Boer War. Regards, David KEITH WHITAKER <keith865@btinternet.com> wrote:Hello to everyone I'm a new list member, and would like to post a plea for help. William Henry Cousins was my ggrandfather on my mothers side. He married in 1896, and his marriage certificate stated he was a soldier of "Guildford Bty Dover". I have since found that this was not a Unit, but a concrete emplacement, part of Dovers defences. I also found that the only Units that fit the time frame stationed in Dover were 10 & 20 Coy, Eastern Div Garrison Artillery. He is totally missing from the 1901 census, which I took to mean he or his Unit had been posted overseas. His wife was a widow when she remarried in 1915, and was attributed with saying that he was decorated for bravery in South Africa, and that his medal was on display in a museum somewhere. This has been passed down the family, but I have no proof of what medal he was awarded, or if he died in SA. In fact I have no proof he was ever in the Boer War. Has anyone any info on him? Even the award of the QSA would prove he was there. I wou! ld be very grateful for anything at all. Keith Whitaker Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

John, Many thanks for taking the time to look it up. Much appreciated. Keith ----- Original Message ----- From: <CJohncronin@aol.com> To: <BOER-WAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 7:42 PM Subject: Re: [BOER-WAR] William Henry Cousins > Dear Keith, > I have looked up the roll of honour for the Boer War in the book IN > MEMORIUM. If your ggrandfather was in the artillery then he was not killed in the > war. There is only one W. Cousins listed as a fatal casualty. The details are > below: > > 5867 PRIVATE W. COUSINS 2nd GLOUCESTER REG. DIED FROM DISEASE AT CARNARVON > 13/1/1901. > > > JOHN CRONIN > CHRISTCHURCH > DORSET > > > ==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== > Boer War Reading > http://freespace.virgin.net/anglers.rest/BoerWarReading.htm > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > >

Hello to everyone I'm a new list member, and would like to post a plea for help. William Henry Cousins was my ggrandfather on my mothers side. He married in 1896, and his marriage certificate stated he was a soldier of "Guildford Bty Dover". I have since found that this was not a Unit, but a concrete emplacement, part of Dovers defences. I also found that the only Units that fit the time frame stationed in Dover were 10 & 20 Coy, Eastern Div Garrison Artillery. He is totally missing from the 1901 census, which I took to mean he or his Unit had been posted overseas. His wife was a widow when she remarried in 1915, and was attributed with saying that he was decorated for bravery in South Africa, and that his medal was on display in a museum somewhere. This has been passed down the family, but I have no proof of what medal he was awarded, or if he died in SA. In fact I have no proof he was ever in the Boer War. Has anyone any info on him? Even the award of the QSA would prove he was there. I wou! ld be very grateful for anything at all. Keith Whitaker

Dear Keith, I have looked up the roll of honour for the Boer War in the book IN MEMORIUM. If your ggrandfather was in the artillery then he was not killed in the war. There is only one W. Cousins listed as a fatal casualty. The details are below: 5867 PRIVATE W. COUSINS 2nd GLOUCESTER REG. DIED FROM DISEASE AT CARNARVON 13/1/1901. JOHN CRONIN CHRISTCHURCH DORSET

Hi Gerold. Thank you again for this information. It is very helpful. My understanding is that I must have a researcher as apparently there is no facility to pay the archives by credit card etc (according to a friend who has material she wants checked out). Therefore, would you please recommend a researcher as indicated in your email. sincere thanks...robyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerold Whittaker" <gerold@intekom.co.za> To: <BOER-WAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 5:51 AM Subject: RE: [BOER-WAR] david ludwig bender > Robyn, > > On the South African Archives is the following record which might be him > in spite of the incorrect spelling of the surname: > > ----- Start ----- > DEPOT TAB > SOURCE MHG > TYPE LEER > VOLUME_NO 0 > SYSTEM 01 > REFERENCE 23996 > PART 1 > DESCRIPTION BRENDER, DAVID LUDWIG. > STARTING 19140000 > ENDING 19140000 > > ----- End ----- > > I would suggest that you write to the Archives in Pretoria and ask for a > lookup. Source "MHG" indicates that the document originates from the > "Master of the Supreme Court, Pretoria. Estates". The document (a file) > is dated 1914. > > You can contact the Pretoria Archives at the address below. > National Archives Repository > The Head > Postal address: Private Bag X236, PRETORIA 0001 > Street address: 24 Hamilton Street, Arcadia, PRETORIA > Tel: (012) 323 5300. Fax: (012) 323 5287 > E-mail: enquiries@dac.gov.za > > If they will not do the lookup, I could recommend a researcher. > > Regards, > Gerold Whittaker, > South Africa. > >

Many thanks for that MJ, I'll have some confidence if I manage to go on a visit some time. Regards Gazza ----- Original Message ----- From: "M.J. Adderley" <june.adderley@gmail.com> To: <BOER-WAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [BOER-WAR] Kew military records > Hi > I think it depends upon the enlistment sheet.. My grandfather served in > India then the Boer War. > His military History Sheet (A4) shows the record of service-location ie > -Home 1/10/1888 -17/9/1991 2years 352 days...in a series of cols. totall= > 15 > years > It gives a series of `questions 18- Name, Parish/town/county. > age, occupation,apprenticeship, previous service,vaccinations,.... > signature of recruit. > Also a handwritten will -showing next of kin and their address. > Which in his case was his brother, and his lodgings, My grandfather joined > at 18, as he was an orphan.There are at least six sheets of information > --and I supposes vary with the solider. > Well worth the effort in finding them.--if they are availbale. > My grandfather was in the Manchesters.t > 5/05, gazza <gazza@gazza.homechoice.co.uk> wrote: > >> Hi all, assuming you went to Kew & were lucky enough to find the right >> person, what information could you expect to find on them exactly? Would >> it >> give there last known civilian address before joining up & perhaps >> family/next of kin or anything like that? >> >> ==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== >> Getting Started on Boer War Research? >> http://freespace.virgin.net/anglers.rest/BWInfo.htm >> >> ============================== >> Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >> areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >> Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >> >> > > > -- > juno@firecube.co.uk / M.J.Adderley > > > ==== BOER-WAR Mailing List ==== > Boer War List Page > http://freespace.virgin.net/anglers.rest/BoerWar.htm > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > >