If I Google for my great grandmother, "Vallonia Renshaw", I find several postings about her on both lists and boards. (All the postings were made by me, unfortunately.) If I Google for "Renshaw, Vallonia", I do not have any hits, although removing the quotes gives me responses. Let us remember that Newbies are quite likely to use Google to search the boards and lists. The question is, will they put the name is quotes? If we were sales people, we would use the approach which would give us the greatest number of "sales". I receive the messages in digest form, so if this topic has been covered already, my apologies. Eleanor Gordon