> Judy- > > Since the author retains copyright of their posts they have the right to > remove them anytime they want. > > Joan Yes, I know that. But, I can still have the opinion that such a policy is ridiculous. There is no other place (newspaper; library; etc) where one can author something, then later, expect it to be removed or destroyed simply because one wrote it. THAT is why I think the policy goes overboard and caters to people unnecessarily---> Just my opinion. On the policy side, I will do my job, of course, which is what I did in this case. If the po Judy

I'd have to disagree with this to a point. I had a post that went on for 3 lines, something like this: SUBJECT: John Smith, born 1845 in SC,married Jane Doe born 1850 in SC, moved to NC in 1868, VA 1880, KY 1882 with 5 children; their son James is my g-g-grandfather b. 1875 NC Then in the body of the message they repeated all of the exact SAME data from the subject line and then listed the names and birthplaces and dates of the 5 children, along with "Looking for anyone else searching this line." The subject line was too cumbersome so I changed it to: John SMITH b. 1845 SC; wife Jane DOE b. 1850 SC Aren't we supposed to simplify the subject line, up to a point, so that it's more eye-catching? Marilyn ---------------original message--------------- In a message dated 7/22/2006 9:53:45 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, JYoung6180@aol.com writes: An admin should be very very careful about changing subject lines. Especially in a case like this where you are implying that the subject line WAS explanatory in relation to the text of the message.

In a message dated 7/22/2006 9:57:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, cageycat@gmail.com writes: Like I said I thought the objection was silly. I think this thing of posters having right to take down data they post is a bit ridiculous, but that's just my opinion. Judy Judy- Since the author retains copyright of their posts they have the right to remove them anytime they want. Joan

By any chance does this poster's first name begin with a "J" ? If so, I have also been getting a bunch of objections. Since the posts belong to "J" and the objections come from same poster, I removed as requested. I sent an email asking what was wrong, but no reply yet (just sent it). All I added to the subject was the first name (instead of initials) and date/locality. In all honesty I felt a tad ticked -- (my thought was "the things that people get upset over") -- But.... who am I to judge the person. :( The post info was GREAT and I hate to lose it too from boards, but... it is the poster's right. Just seems SILLY to me. The posts I had to remove had external links and the body had part of the info transcribed. Could always go re-find the info on the external site and re-post it ourselves, I guess... if I get the time I might do that, I don't know. Like I said I thought the objection was silly. I think this thing of posters having right to take down data they post is a bit ridiculous, but that's just my opinion. Judy On 7/22/06, Janet Kruger <jurnie1999@gmail.com> wrote: > > I keep my boards clean and neat. Its easier for ones to search for others > when its neat. I have a poster that lately has been attacking me cause > her > post (subject line) was cleaned up. I explained to her that a simple > subject is much better then one that is miles long with the same > information > thats in the post. > > She keeps posting objections. and even stated shes going to report. But > Nothing was changed or such that wasnt already in the posts. What is your > suggestions. Should I just remover her posts as shes asked or should I > just leave them cause they are full of useful information. Its almost as > shes got it out for me. > > J.kruger > > -- ~My LANEs loved FLOWERS, and some FLOWERS even had nicknames of "Posey" LOL ~ Washington Co PA free Websites: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~florian http://freepages.family.rootsweb.com/~florian County Coordinator for http://www.rootsweb.com/~pawashin/ Researchers of Washington County PA, join our map: http://www.frappr.com/researchingwashingtoncopa

In a message dated 7/22/2006 9:29:45 AM Eastern Standard Time, jurnie1999@gmail.com writes: I keep my boards clean and neat. Its easier for ones to search for others when its neat. I have a poster that lately has been attacking me cause her post (subject line) was cleaned up. I explained to her that a simple subject is much better then one that is miles long with the same information thats in the post. She keeps posting objections. and even stated shes going to report. But Nothing was changed or such that wasnt already in the posts. What is your suggestions. Should I just remover her posts as shes asked or should I just leave them cause they are full of useful information. Its almost as shes got it out for me. J.kruger I'd have to side with the poster in this case. An admin should be very very careful about changing subject lines. Especially in a case like this where you are implying that the subject line WAS explanatory in relation to the text of the message. I would be really upset if a board admin decided to change a subject in one of my posts for a reason such as just wanting to shorten it! I'd probably request my post be removed from THAT board also and put it somewhere where the admin would leave it alone the way I intended it to read. We are not here to be over-zealous about changing what a poster places on a board--only to correct subjects, surnames, and classifications where they are clearly wrong. If EVER in doubt--err on the side of the AUTHOR--not the admin's opinion. And, as Kathie has already noted, the author can request (for NO reason) to have any posts he or she made to the boards removed. Joan

Janet Kruger wrote: > I keep my boards clean and neat. Its easier for ones to search for > others > when its neat. I have a poster that lately has been attacking me > cause her > post (subject line) was cleaned up. I explained to her that a simple > subject is much better then one that is miles long with the same > information > thats in the post. > > She keeps posting objections. and even stated shes going to report. But > Nothing was changed or such that wasnt already in the posts. What is > your > suggestions. Should I just remover her posts as shes asked or should I > just leave them cause they are full of useful information. Its almost as > shes got it out for me. Well, she may have it out for you. Been there, done that! :-) But how much are you changing her subject lines and what is your definition of "neat"? If her subject lines are "family research," "help," "lookup," "info requested" or any other generic line, it would be nice of you to change them. If you're just changing the subject lines to impose you own ideas of what looks tidy, I think that's beyond our job description. Can you give us some examples? Lynne

In a message dated 7/22/2006 8:29:45 AM Central Standard Time, jurnie1999@gmail.com writes: I keep my boards clean and neat. Its easier for ones to search for others when its neat. I have a poster that lately has been attacking me cause her post (subject line) was cleaned up. I explained to her that a simple subject is much better then one that is miles long with the same information thats in the post. She keeps posting objections. and even stated shes going to report. But Nothing was changed or such that wasnt already in the posts. What is your suggestions. Should I just remover her posts as shes asked or should I just leave them cause they are full of useful information. Its almost as shes got it out for me. If the nutball wants her messages removed you must do it. She has the right to ask for her messages to be removed regardless of the information in them. Kathie Harrison Family Trees Grow with Love Ancestral Whispers http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~irishrose/

JYoung6180@aol.com wrote: [snip] > The new post is a REPLY to a previously existing thread and therefore is > archiving attached to the old post on the board. You will only see it up top if > you view in DATE mode rather than THREAD. > > Joan > Joan, I always work in DATE collapsed mode when working with the boards, so I don't think it's that. What I'm wondering about is the totally different addresses for the link in My Notifications vs. the address when the message finally appeared on the board. Could this have something to do with the new boards we hear are coming? Beth

> > > We are not here to be over-zealous about changing what a poster places on > a > board--only to correct subjects, surnames, and classifications where they > are > clearly wrong. But that is just what I did. This is all silly. Janet

By joe, Yes the first name starts with a J . I agree This is silly. Nothing was changed. I maybe the only one that thinks this but if the information is in the Post. theres no need for it to be in the subject. He posts were only changed cause she didnt add the classifications or surnams. Its all silly On 7/22/06, Judy Florian <cageycat@gmail.com> wrote: > > By any chance does this poster's first name begin with a "J" ? If so, I > have also been getting a bunch of objections. Since the posts belong to > "J" > and the objections come from same poster, I removed as requested. I sent > an > email asking what was wrong, but no reply yet (just sent it). All I added > to the subject was the first name (instead of initials) and date/locality. > > In all honesty I felt a tad ticked -- (my thought was "the things that > people get upset over") -- But.... who am I to judge the > person. :( The > post info was GREAT and I hate to lose it too from boards, but... it is > the > poster's right. Just seems SILLY to me. > > The posts I had to remove had external links and the body had part of the > info transcribed. Could always go re-find the info on the external site > and > re-post it ourselves, I guess... if I get the time I might do that, I > don't > know. > > Like I said I thought the objection was silly. I think this thing of > posters having right to take down data they post is a bit ridiculous, but > that's just my opinion. > > Judy > > > On 7/22/06, Janet Kruger <jurnie1999@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > I keep my boards clean and neat. Its easier for ones to search for > others > > when its neat. I have a poster that lately has been attacking me cause > > her > > post (subject line) was cleaned up. I explained to her that a simple > > subject is much better then one that is miles long with the same > > information > > thats in the post. > > > > She keeps posting objections. and even stated shes going to report. But > > Nothing was changed or such that wasnt already in the posts. What is > your > > suggestions. Should I just remover her posts as shes asked or should I > > just leave them cause they are full of useful information. Its almost > as > > shes got it out for me. > > > > J.kruger > > > > > > > -- > ~My LANEs loved FLOWERS, and some FLOWERS even had nicknames of "Posey" > LOL > ~ > Washington Co PA free Websites: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~florian > http://freepages.family.rootsweb.com/~florian > County Coordinator for http://www.rootsweb.com/~pawashin/ > Researchers of Washington County PA, join our map: > http://www.frappr.com/researchingwashingtoncopa > > > ==== BOARDS-ADMINS Mailing List ==== > Helpful links via > http://boards.rootsweb.com/mbexec?htx=admin.main > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

LOL Nelli you pinpointed her to a T. lol thanks On 7/22/06, NelliBlu28@aol.com <NelliBlu28@aol.com> wrote: > > In a message dated 7/22/2006 8:29:45 AM Central Standard Time, > jurnie1999@gmail.com writes: > I keep my boards clean and neat. Its easier for ones to search for others > when its neat. I have a poster that lately has been attacking me cause > her > post (subject line) was cleaned up. I explained to her that a simple > subject is much better then one that is miles long with the same > information > thats in the post. > > She keeps posting objections. and even stated shes going to report. But > Nothing was changed or such that wasnt already in the posts. What is your > suggestions. Should I just remover her posts as shes asked or should I > just leave them cause they are full of useful information. Its almost as > shes got it out for me. > > If the nutball wants her messages removed you must do it. She has the > right > to ask for her messages to be removed regardless of the information in > them. > > > Kathie Harrison > Family Trees Grow with Love > Ancestral Whispers > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~irishrose/ > > > ==== BOARDS-ADMINS Mailing List ==== > If you want off this list, click this link: > mailto:BOARDS-ADMINS-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > >

While working with My Notifications this morning I came across notice of a new message on my McGrath board. Working from my Message Boards Admin Center <http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=admin.main&r=rw>, I clicked on the McGrath board link and found there was no message newer than 7/18, so I clicked on the link in My Notifications and a new message dated 7/20 appeared at http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/whz.2ACEB/925.1. After viewing it I clicked on List Messages, but this new message didn't show up. It has now shown up with this address: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=message&r=rw&p=surnames.mcgrath&m=925.1. What's going on? Thanks for any help, Beth

I'm with David on this one. I do change subject lines on all of my boards to remove extra words (looking, help, searching, etc) and I make sure the full name, date, and location is in the subject line. I consider that a teaching tool and have even received 2 thank you notes. I have never heard any objection from anyone. I really believe that a post that only says "Help find my grandfather" won't get read by browsers. Having been a browser as a newbie I know that informative subject lines are a big help. Regards, Sharyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "David E. Cann" <decann@infionline.net> To: <BOARDS-ADMINS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 7:43 AM Subject: RE: [BAd] Help Question > Marilyn, > > I do, but you will get disagreements here on that subject. Particularly > when the subject line is so long and is also repeated in the message body. > The same applies to entering numerous surnames in the surname field with no > regard to the fact they do not appear in the message body either. > > > David E. Cann > decann@infionline.net > davidecann@gmail.com (alternate) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tribehunter@aol.com [mailto:Tribehunter@aol.com] > Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 10:14 AM > To: BOARDS-ADMINS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BAd] Help Question > > > I'd have to disagree with this to a point. I had a post that went on for > 3 lines, something like this: > > SUBJECT: John Smith, born 1845 in SC,married Jane Doe born 1850 in SC, > moved to NC in 1868, VA 1880, KY 1882 with 5 children; their son James is > my g-g-grandfather b. 1875 NC > > Then in the body of the message they repeated all of the exact SAME data > from the subject line and then listed the names and birthplaces and dates > of the 5 children, along with "Looking for anyone else searching this > line." > > The subject line was too cumbersome so I changed it to: > > John SMITH b. 1845 SC; wife Jane DOE b. 1850 SC > > Aren't we supposed to simplify the subject line, up to a point, so that > it's > more eye-catching? > > Marilyn > > ---------------original message--------------- In a message dated 7/22/2006 > 9:53:45 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, JYoung6180@aol.com writes: > > An admin should be very very > careful about changing subject lines. Especially in a case like this > where you are implying that the subject line WAS explanatory in relation to > the text of the message.

I keep my boards clean and neat. Its easier for ones to search for others when its neat. I have a poster that lately has been attacking me cause her post (subject line) was cleaned up. I explained to her that a simple subject is much better then one that is miles long with the same information thats in the post. She keeps posting objections. and even stated shes going to report. But Nothing was changed or such that wasnt already in the posts. What is your suggestions. Should I just remover her posts as shes asked or should I just leave them cause they are full of useful information. Its almost as shes got it out for me. J.kruger

The GOTCHER message board is up for adoption. Reasonably clean and only 127 messages. If interested in adopting this board, please contact me privately. Lynne

Hi Diane, > As it is, I have to have 4 lists to stay on top of the boards (I am a > list person). maybe your McCartan etc. situation is indeed special. It however reminds me of the spot I'm in with my Brandl, Brendel, Brandal, Brindel, Brendi etc. boards (and some related lists). The advantage I have is that these boards AND lists all are very quiet. So I've (1) set up to be notified whenever there's a new posting on any of the boards and (2) subscribed to the few lists. It's quite easy to handle the 0 to 5 messages I'm getting during a month ;-) I guess other's interested in surnames with several variant spellings & different un-gatewayed boards can do the same. Our inbox then can gather all the postings together - it's my "virtual variants community" place. Just my thoughts Tilman -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: "Diane Hettrick" <dhettrick@earthlink.net> An: <BOARDS-ADMINS-L@rootsweb.com> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. Juli 2006 18:53 Betreff: Re: [BAd] Gatewaying Board to List >I wish that it could be set up for several surname boards to gateway to >one mailing list. I have half a dozen surname situations where there >are informal agreements to funnel all activity to one list, but it is >not as efficient as having the actual gateway. > > The last time I brought this up, I got several lectures about how > names may look the same but be very different, blah blah blah. Those > of us who are researching know that Hetrick and Hettrick are the same > name. I wouldn't agree to gateway Hedrick and Hedderish to the same > list but it is just silly to have two mailing lists with 5 subscribers > each when there are so few of us in the US researching the name. > > I own boards and lists for McCartan, McCarten, McCartin, McCarton. I > assure you that they are the same name. Board people and list people > have different working styles, so I'm fine with 4 boards - and for an > obscure surname, they have a respectable amount of activity. I > concentrate all the list activity on McCartan, and all the list people > are fine with that. I'd love to gateway all 4 boards to the one list. > As it is, I have to have 4 lists to stay on top of the boards (I am a > list person). > > Diane Het(t)rick > dhettrick@earthlink.net

JYoung6180@aol.com wrote: >David- > >Actually it IS a rather unique situation and was only done by special >arrangements with RootsWeb in SPECIFIC cases--and, to my knowledge, it was NEVER >approved for surname list/boards. Mainly you will see this for locality >boards/lists when there are overlapping territories serviced by one of the >resources for which RootsWeb didn't want to create more lists or boards for a more >localized geogrphic area and thus permitted the multiple gatewaying of more >than one board to the one list. > >Joan > Thanks for the explanation, Joan. Lynne

In a message dated 7/20/2006 12:54:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, dhettrick@earthlink.net writes: I wish that it could be set up for several surname boards to gateway to one mailing list. I have half a dozen surname situations where there are informal agreements to funnel all activity to one list, but it is not as efficient as having the actual gateway. The last time I brought this up, I got several lectures about how names may look the same but be very different, blah blah blah. Those of us who are researching know that Hetrick and Hettrick are the same name. I wouldn't agree to gateway Hedrick and Hedderish to the same list but it is just silly to have two mailing lists with 5 subscribers each when there are so few of us in the US researching the name. I own boards and lists for McCartan, McCarten, McCartin, McCarton. I assure you that they are the same name. Board people and list people have different working styles, so I'm fine with 4 boards - and for an obscure surname, they have a respectable amount of activity. I concentrate all the list activity on McCartan, and all the list people are fine with that. I'd love to gateway all 4 boards to the one list. As it is, I have to have 4 lists to stay on top of the boards (I am a list person). Diane Het(t)rick dhettrick@earthlink.net I know you probably don't want to hear it again--but names can mean one thing and have one origin for one person or a group of like-minded researchers who are related but that is often not the case when you open up the subject of name spellings for everyone. You can learn that what you thought wa simple and cut and dried isn't for those whose names were never spelled differently than the spelling they are familiar with. There are many ways to handle surname variants and RootsWeb has made its choice (and rightly so I believe) to allow any and all name spellings that someone requests a list and/or board for. So once that decision was made then it became impossible to allow gatewaying between dissimilar variant spellings because there is no way to guarantee that in the future someone wouldn't come along and request the exact spelling list and then want to open the gateway. If it was already gatewayed to a variant list--then it wouldn't be possible because one board can only be gatewayed to ONE list. Joan

In a message dated 7/20/2006 10:16:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, decann@infionline.net writes: If you want an explanation of how this can happen, you will have to get it from RW. If you want to know what boards and list it is, I can tell you offlist if you really want to know, but this is far from being a unique situation. I'm at work though, and it will take some time to find all the boards, so a reply may have to wait a day or so. David David- Actually it IS a rather unique situation and was only done by special arrangements with RootsWeb in SPECIFIC cases--and, to my knowledge, it was NEVER approved for surname list/boards. Mainly you will see this for locality boards/lists when there are overlapping territories serviced by one of the resources for which RootsWeb didn't want to create more lists or boards for a more localized geogrphic area and thus permitted the multiple gatewaying of more than one board to the one list. Joan

David E. Cann wrote: >Simple "Queen's English," I mean one list is gatewayed to at least 3 or 4 boards that I know of, and I have run into this before as well. Because of this, my board cannot be gatewayed to the list even though based on list descriptions and names, it is the only appropriate one, so the correct board for the list is not gatewayed. > >If you want an explanation of how this can happen, you will have to get it from RW. If you want to know what boards and list it is, I can tell you offlist if you really want to know, but this is far from being a unique situation. I'm at work though, and it will take some time to find all the boards, so a reply may have to wait a day or so. > I'd very much like to know more about this. You said >one list is gatewayed to at least 3 or 4 boards > but, since it is the boards that are gatewayed, do you mean 3 or 4 boards are gatewayed to a single list? Do tell! Lynne