Message: 6 Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 17:03:00 EDT From: JYoung6180@aol.com In a message dated 8/21/2006 4:56:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, wildeman1@cox.net writes: This may have been recommended already, so if it has please forgive me. Why not make it so that the message board post will not 'take' if there's nothing in the surname box? Perhaps an error message such as "Your post cannot be accepted without the surname box being completed" or similar reminder. ---- Because surnames are NOT appropriate for every post. Boards Admins board, Boards Users board, WorldConnect Suggestions Board are examples of board posts where surnames would just about never be appropriate. This is best left to the discretion of the poster and the admin really only needs to be involved if surnames ARE displayed in the box and it is done improperly--extraneous words or symbols are there or surname not found in the post. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Joan: A way to accommodate this would be to have an option for the list administrator to check off whether surnames are required or not on his particular list. This of course would require a change to the board software... Ed Elizondo Webmaster: http://www.Cubagenweb.org Administrator: Cuban Surname Bulletin Board & CUBA-L list
Oops missed something. souce is actually source and if YOU dont have any links which for the links and announcment we usually do. but if you dont have any just add this <BODY BGCOLOR="#FFFFFF" TEXT="#080000"> of course changing the color tags. On 8/21/06, Janet Kruger <jurnie1999@gmail.com> wrote: > > HTMl is hard if you dont know it. As nan stated where you want the > break to be put the <BR> for each line space if you want it to be a > bigger space add another > > this is one > > > ths is two. For background look at your document the souce for it > thats all the HTML. find the </head> Then you would put > <BODY BGCOLOR="#FFFFFF" TEXT="#080000" LINK="#330099" ALINK="#9A0273" > VLINK="#330099"> > > WHAt allthis is is the #ffffff is the color you can also just put in > black, meaning the wording for it. The text, Link, ALINK, and VLINK are > for Font colors and link colors. TEXT=Sets or retrieves the text > (foreground) color for the document body. LINK=Sets or retrieves the color > of the document links for the object ALINK = Sets or retrieves the color > of all active links in the element. VLINK= Sets or retrieves the color > of links in the object that have already been visited. > > Hope this helps. NOW if you want a background of a photo or such. For > this youd need to upload a background to a webpage and link to it. THIS > steals bandwith from the site and most frawn on it. so Basic color > backgrounds are better. and More people will look at a webpage when there > is less distraction. As the ol saying goes LEss is more. > > Janet > > On 8/21/06, Nan <naela@earthlink.net> wrote: > > > > Valeria, > > > > Can't help you with the color. But to break up your text, use this: > > <br> > > That puts in a line break. Try it and click on test, and you'll see > > what I > > mean. > > > > Nan > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Valeria" <LadyGenes@comcast.net> > > To: <Boards-admins-l@rootsweb.com > > > Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 6:37 PM > > Subject: [BAd] Help with HTML on the board admin-link > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I am new on this list and I don't know a thing about this HTML on the > > > admin link. I made out what I wanted to say and it looked nice but > > when I > > > hit test it is alllllll out of whack. Can some one help me and tell me > > how > > > to break up my huge paragraph into what I want? Also how can I add > > some > > > color to the background? > > > > > > Sorry for the questions but I don't know a thing about this. > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > Valeria > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > BOARDS-ADMINS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > BOARDS-ADMINS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >
HTMl is hard if you dont know it. As nan stated where you want the break to be put the <BR> for each line space if you want it to be a bigger space add another this is one ths is two. For background look at your document the souce for it thats all the HTML. find the </head> Then you would put <BODY BGCOLOR="#FFFFFF" TEXT="#080000" LINK="#330099" ALINK="#9A0273" VLINK="#330099"> WHAt allthis is is the #ffffff is the color you can also just put in black, meaning the wording for it. The text, Link, ALINK, and VLINK are for Font colors and link colors. TEXT=Sets or retrieves the text (foreground) color for the document body. LINK=Sets or retrieves the color of the document links for the object ALINK = Sets or retrieves the color of all active links in the element. VLINK= Sets or retrieves the color of links in the object that have already been visited. Hope this helps. NOW if you want a background of a photo or such. For this youd need to upload a background to a webpage and link to it. THIS steals bandwith from the site and most frawn on it. so Basic color backgrounds are better. and More people will look at a webpage when there is less distraction. As the ol saying goes LEss is more. Janet On 8/21/06, Nan <naela@earthlink.net> wrote: > > Valeria, > > Can't help you with the color. But to break up your text, use this: > <br> > That puts in a line break. Try it and click on test, and you'll see what > I > mean. > > Nan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Valeria" <LadyGenes@comcast.net> > To: <Boards-admins-l@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 6:37 PM > Subject: [BAd] Help with HTML on the board admin-link > > > > Hi, > > > > I am new on this list and I don't know a thing about this HTML on the > > admin link. I made out what I wanted to say and it looked nice but when > I > > hit test it is alllllll out of whack. Can some one help me and tell me > how > > to break up my huge paragraph into what I want? Also how can I add some > > color to the background? > > > > Sorry for the questions but I don't know a thing about this. > > > > Sincerely, > > Valeria > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > BOARDS-ADMINS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BOARDS-ADMINS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Valeria, Can't help you with the color. But to break up your text, use this: <br> That puts in a line break. Try it and click on test, and you'll see what I mean. Nan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Valeria" <LadyGenes@comcast.net> To: <Boards-admins-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 6:37 PM Subject: [BAd] Help with HTML on the board admin-link > Hi, > > I am new on this list and I don't know a thing about this HTML on the > admin link. I made out what I wanted to say and it looked nice but when I > hit test it is alllllll out of whack. Can some one help me and tell me how > to break up my huge paragraph into what I want? Also how can I add some > color to the background? > > Sorry for the questions but I don't know a thing about this. > > Sincerely, > Valeria > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BOARDS-ADMINS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Tom Wilde wrote: >This may have been recommended already, so if it has please forgive me. > >Why not make it so that the message board post will not 'take' if >there's nothing in the surname box? Perhaps an error message such as >"Your post cannot be accepted without the surname box being completed" >or similar reminder. > Hi Tom Not all posts contain surnames, so that won't work. Best wishes, Lynne
In a message dated 8/21/2006 4:56:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, wildeman1@cox.net writes: This may have been recommended already, so if it has please forgive me. Why not make it so that the message board post will not 'take' if there's nothing in the surname box? Perhaps an error message such as "Your post cannot be accepted without the surname box being completed" or similar reminder. ---- Because surnames are NOT appropriate for every post. Boards Admins board, Boards Users board, WorldConnect Suggestions Board are examples of board posts where surnames would just about never be appropriate. This is best left to the discretion of the poster and the admin really only needs to be involved if surnames ARE displayed in the box and it is done improperly--extraneous words or symbols are there or surname not found in the post. Joan
This may have been recommended already, so if it has please forgive me. Why not make it so that the message board post will not 'take' if there's nothing in the surname box? Perhaps an error message such as "Your post cannot be accepted without the surname box being completed" or similar reminder.
> > I think we've been over this subject more than a few times. There is not > much sense discussing how the surname box needs positioned or what > instructions are needed, because the new boards will be rolling out anyway > and whatever design they've used will be "it" for a long time. > > > We all have our own opinions about whether admins should ADD missing > surnames and we seem to all agree that the box does get "cleaned" as part > of > the expected duties. Until new rules are posted, what is there to > continue > discussing? > > Really not meaning to be rude, it's just that we've been over the same > thing > sooo many times. BUT we need to remember that there are NEW admins all the time. If someone has asked this question its quite possible that that person was not an admin when the first conversation came up. NOT all admins have been admins for years. so with that some may think its dead but legitimate for others.
Hi Judy You wrote: >I think we've been over this subject more than a few times. There is not >much sense discussing how the surname box needs positioned or what >instructions are needed, because the new boards will be rolling out anyway >and whatever design they've used will be "it" for a long time. > I would disagree. If that were true, there wouldn't be a Boards - suggestions board. Or do you know something we don't know?! ;-) >We all have our own opinions about whether admins should ADD missing >surnames and we seem to all agree that the box does get "cleaned" as part of >the expected duties. Until new rules are posted, what is there to continue >discussing? > >Really not meaning to be rude, it's just that we've been over the same thing >sooo many times. > Not everyone is an old hand, Judy. I imagine (hope!) there are new board admins starting every day. It's hard enough to figure out exactly what's required of an admin. It would be a shame if new admins were misled into thinking that one of their duties was to *add* surnames to the surname field. Personally, I appreciate reading everyone's opinion. It's nice to get another viewpoint, whether or not I agree with it. If the message is of no interest to me, I just delete it. Best wishes, Lynne
I think we've been over this subject more than a few times. There is not much sense discussing how the surname box needs positioned or what instructions are needed, because the new boards will be rolling out anyway and whatever design they've used will be "it" for a long time. We all have our own opinions about whether admins should ADD missing surnames and we seem to all agree that the box does get "cleaned" as part of the expected duties. Until new rules are posted, what is there to continue discussing? Really not meaning to be rude, it's just that we've been over the same thing sooo many times. Judy
Hi Jil You wrote: >Hi Lynn >To your query, "YES", I am aware of your position on your role as an admin, >and I beg to differ. I take great pains to work on the surname boxes, and >the category boxes, but that's my choice. > I take great pains to work on the surname boxes and categories, too. That's part of our duties. >I hate to see posts by one user >over-looked in searches by another just because surnames didn't get into the >search engine. > We can keep our fingers crossed that whoever is searching will search not only on surnames but also on keywords. >I've come to realize that a lot of newbie posters don't >include surnames because they haven't figured out the purpose yet, just as >others add in ALL of their surnames. > Agreed. >I don't see the value in penalizing newbies just because they didn't get it right the first time. > I don't think a poster is being penalized if an admin doesn't add a surname. *Adding* surnames to the surname box is not an admin duty. If a poster omits surnames from the box, at least the post can still be found by keyword search and there is no harm done to other researchers. On the other hand, if a poster includes the wrong surnames in a surname box, there's nothing to prevent some poor soul from getting hundreds (thousands!) of hits on a name that doesn't even show up in the posts. For my money, spending time cleaning up the surname boxes that include names that *don't* belong there is much more valuable to all posters than it is to add surnames that are contained in the posts. A good example: yesterday I moved a few posts to the new ESTHER message board. To make sure I didn't miss any, I searched the surname boxes for "esther" and received nearly 200 hit. Unfortunately, on all but a few of the posts, "esther" was a first name and not the surname. > >Anyway, I'm not here to condemn or argue; like you, I'm all for the >preventative measures such as those suggested yesterday and today. > Yep, me too. :-) And if the boards ever get to the point where all the posts are on the correct board, all the classifications are correct, and the surname boxes only contain surnames mentioned within the post, I promise I'll start adding surnames to the surname box, too. <vbg> Best wishes, Lynne
Hi Lynn To your query, "YES", I am aware of your position on your role as an admin, and I beg to differ. I take great pains to work on the surname boxes, and the category boxes, but that's my choice. I hate to see posts by one user over-looked in searches by another just because surnames didn't get into the search engine. I've come to realize that a lot of newbie posters don't include surnames because they haven't figured out the purpose yet, just as others add in ALL of their surnames. I don't see the value in penalizing newbies just because they didn't get it right the first time. Anyway, I'm not here to condemn or argue; like you, I'm all for the preventative measures such as those suggested yesterday and today. All the best, Jill ======== Hi Jill You wrote: Are you saying that when requested to do so by a poster, an admin won't add the surnames? Or are you saying that some admins don't do that as part of their regular activities? If the latter, please remember that it's *not* our job, so there's no reason to condemn us. :-) I know some admins think we should go through all the posts on our boards and extract from each post the surnames mentioned to be added to the surname boxes, but IMHO, I do enough as it is. The surnames missing from the surname box will still be found if a keyword search is done. I'd rather spend my time doing what I agreed to do when I volunteered to admin a board. Adding names to a surname box on a post that I don't have to edit for any other reason won't be something I'll be doing. The poster has to take on that responsibility him/herself. I do hope that the "new and improved" boards provide clear instructions to the posters, including an explanation of the importance of completing the surnames field. Best wishes, Lynne
This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/BF.2ADIAE/1197.1 Message Board Post: Go here: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=admin.main&r=rw&p= Click on LOGIN and then on FORGOT YOUR PASSWORD? and request all account info for your email address. If you might have registered as admin for your boards under an obsolete email address you will have to request the account info from Ancestry Customer Support. When you get the confirmation of all your accounts--try logging in on the above admin center page until you find the one that recognizes you as admin. Joan
In a message dated 8/20/2006 8:55:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, carlette@centurytel.net writes: Question: This non subscriber prefers to stay in the background and would rather not have tons of irrelevant posts (the surname has about 3 major families on the list and she is not interested in the other two) in her mailbox. COULD I (with her permission) sub her to the list, but put her in 'no mail' mode? Would she then be able to post from the message board whenever she wants, but not receive the mail from the list? (sounds logical, but then...what do I know Carlette- You have it just a wee bit backwards. Non-list subscribers can and always could post to a gatewayed board and have the post come through to the lists automatically--because the GATEWAY is the sender. It was also possible to moderate posts from the gateway and still allow list subscribers to post automatically because they ARE list members. The difference once the boards and lists are all migrated to the new system is that the board POSTER'S email address won't appear anywhere in the gatewayed post--so there is no way of identifying the poster as a list member or not. Therefore, if the gateway is on the accept list all gateway posts will come through automatically and if it is moderated all posts will await approval on the Pending Requests. There is no way of putting a POSTER'S address on the accept list or subbing them to the list and having that make ANY difference as to whether they can post directly or not under the new systems. Joan
If you've been reading on the list owners list, you'll know that a question has come up about how to allow someone to post to the board and that message sent on to the mailing list if the poster is not a member of the list. At least, I think that's the question.... I didn't know that posters to a board HAD to be members of the list. I thought that if you want to post to a board, you could do that and that it would automatically go on to the list. This below is what one list owner questioned. I sort of question the same thing???? Carlette have a non subscriber who posts many helpful records to the message board of the same surname. Her posts are now coming to me (instead of the mail list) and then I have to 'ok' them to send to the list. I have been away for 2 days and there are several posts to be attended to....or, that my list has not received as of yet. HOWEVER, it's my understanding that this will change once the message boards 'migrate'. Right? Question: This non subscriber prefers to stay in the background and would rather not have tons of irrelevant posts (the surname has about 3 major families on the list and she is not interested in the other two) in her mailbox. COULD I (with her permission) sub her to the list, but put her in 'no mail' mode? Would she then be able to post from the message board whenever she wants, but not receive the mail from the list? (sounds logical, but then...what do I know
Hi, I am new on this list and I don't know a thing about this HTML on the admin link. I made out what I wanted to say and it looked nice but when I hit test it is alllllll out of whack. Can some one help me and tell me how to break up my huge paragraph into what I want? Also how can I add some color to the background? Sorry for the questions but I don't know a thing about this. Sincerely, Valeria
Hi Jill You wrote: >To add to the comments below: I've come across admins who refuse to >ADD any names to blank surname boxes, and only edit those containing >inappropriate names, words, etc. <snip> > Are you saying that when requested to do so by a poster, an admin won't add the surnames? Or are you saying that some admins don't do that as part of their regular activities? If the latter, please remember that it's *not* our job, so there's no reason to condemn us. :-) I know some admins think we should go through all the posts on our boards and extract from each post the surnames mentioned to be added to the surname boxes, but IMHO, I do enough as it is. The surnames missing from the surname box will still be found if a keyword search is done. I'd rather spend my time doing what I agreed to do when I volunteered to admin a board. Adding names to a surname box on a post that I don't have to edit for any other reason won't be something I'll be doing. The poster has to take on that responsibility him/herself. I do hope that the "new and improved" boards provide clear instructions to the posters, including an explanation of the importance of completing the surnames field. Best wishes, Lynne
the moving of the surname box to on top of the message makes a lot of sense. not all the boards are surname boards. Some boards are not about people but about areas or occupations software etc. so the required filling could cause problems. ========== Chris Johnson Hamilton NZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Elizondo" <ed@elizondo.org> To: <BOARDS-ADMINS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 2:53 AM Subject: [BAd] blank surname box > Most of the administrative time on my locality board is spent adding > or correcting surnames in the surname box so the messages can be > properly indexed. > > Here are two suggestions: > 1. the surname entry box should be moved ON TOP of the message entry > box, so it becomes more obvious to the poster. > 2. the message should not be accepted unless there is an entry in the > surname box (after all, the boards are SURNAME query boards). > > > Ed Elizondo Webmaster: http://www.Cubagenweb.org > Administrator: Cuban Surname Bulletin Board & CUBA-L list > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BOARDS-ADMINS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >
I like the idea of specifying "Surnames in this message". Not all people know that the surnames box is for just those names and not for all the surnames they're searching for. Carlette ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott R. C. Anderson" <srca@mindspring.com> To: <boards-admins@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [BAd] blank surname board Years ago, I asked for the label of this field to be changed from just "Surnames" to "Surnames in this Message". That would get the point across right up front, because you know few people will click on such a ? box.
On Sunday, August 20, 2006 8:22 AM MDT, jill warland <jilliocity@hotmail.com> wrote: >I like your idea in spirit, but I agree with Chris that there are often >posts even on Surname boards that wouldn't require a surname. Perhaps a [?] >button beside the surname box with a question/query mark that brings up a >"help" message regarding "what's this surname box for?" Years ago, I asked for the label of this field to be changed from just "Surnames" to "Surnames in this Message". That would get the point across right up front, because you know few people will click on such a ? box. S R C A cott obert ranston nderson srca@mindspring.com Admin, {C{offield,ollosky,ommons,ranston,ummins},OHGuerns,USAGen}@RootsWeb.com