This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/BF.2ADIAE/1199 Message Board Post: I have been told by this administrator that I cannot criticize a public website on his board; he says I must privately email the operator of the board. I want to know who this is, and how do I lodge a complaint. Evidently posters to the Bradford board do not enjoy freedom of speech. Jeffrey T. Chipman

Hello Again, Thanks to all of you who explained the Classifications necessity on the Message Boards. I posted a message to my board, explaining the rules, surnames typed in the Surname line, changing the Classification, etc. and I've now managed to offend some posters who are regular contributors and don't change the Classification field, when they post a reply. Is there someplace on the boards where definitions are available to explain the Classifications? If not, I would appreciate opinions if these make sense or not -- or if I should expand on them or give examples: Query - A question seeking information or data. Bible - Information that is posted from someone's family Bible. Biography - Posted information that doesn't come from official records. It may be from a book, newspaper article, family tree or general information about a person that someone has knowledge of. Birth - Official birth records. Cemetery - Information from cemetery burial books or headstones. Census - Transcriptions of census records Death - Information from death certificates or from a book of transcribed death records. Deed - Information from deeds or land ownership records. Immigration - Information from immigration or citizenship records. Lookup - Several sources of information such as birth, death and marriage records, all in the same post, where someone has done a lookup in reply to a query. Marriage - A record from the court house with official marriage license information. Military - Official record of someone's military service. Obituary - Transcription of a newspaper obituary. Pension - Information about an official record of a military pension -- may apply to Civil War or Revolutionary War survivors or their widows. Will - A copy of a will from the court. All of the above can either be a reply to a Query or not. They may be posted just because they apply to this county board. I'd appreciate opinions if any of these don't make sense or should be expanded on, as I'm not certain if they all sound correct. Thanks for your help, Marilyn

My vote: delete "lookup" and add "mixed data" or "unclassified data." "Mixed/unclassified data" could cover those messages containing a mix of birth, death, marriage, census, and other data posted in response to queries. Lynne

In a message dated 8/29/2006 1:58:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, gmakf@earthlink.net writes: Look-up: "What was the earliest that Thomas North appeared on this county's tax rolls?" . That is still a query--a query is a query is a query. Joan

In a message dated 8/29/2006 1:47:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, jasche45133@gmail.com writes: I've been told that lookup is used for information that is provided in answer to a question when the information comes from a reference source. For example, someone asks about a cemetery. I find the information in a published book for that cemetery and pass that info along as an answer to the original question. My response goes under the lookup classification. I hope this is correct as this is how I've been doing it. ;-) Joan Asche Actually your reply should then be CEMETERY in classification. That is what I dislike about the LOOKUP classification--why would anyone ever SEARCH on it? If they were looking for for cemetery data--that is the classification they would search on. I think what most of us decided was that we'd ONLY use LOOKUP for data posts that were replies to mixed types of data--and where the classification would fit other data classifications. Joan

> [Original Message] > Along the same lines as this question, why is there a Query and a Lookup > classification? Both are asking questions for information. > . Ah yes, but not all questions require a " look-up" in order to be answered. Example: Query: "Is anyone else tracking the Thomas North family in this county? Would like to exchange family data." . Look-up: "What was the earliest that Thomas North appeared on this county's tax rolls?" . Bye for now, Kathleen

In a message dated 8/29/2006 12:52:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, jcbuker@bukerfamily.org writes: Along the same lines as this question, why is there a Query and a Lookup classification? Both are asking questions for information. I would like to know an answer for a better distinction when I am cleaning my boards. Jan Jan- Actually LOOKUP is a DATA classification -- and is not to be used randomly by someone asking a query. A query is a query. LOOKUP has a limited usage for replies to queries that quote data from a variety of sources. Personally, I hate this classification and would like to see it go away. It is confusing and not used the same by any two board admins. It came about because it was a classification used on a test board that had been requested by a research group--and was just retained and included for all boards when the current boards came to be in 2001. Joan

I've been told that lookup is used for information that is provided in answer to a question when the information comes from a reference source. For example, someone asks about a cemetery. I find the information in a published book for that cemetery and pass that info along as an answer to the original question. My response goes under the lookup classification. I hope this is correct as this is how I've been doing it. ;-) Joan Asche On 8/29/06, Jan Buker <jcbuker@bukerfamily.org> wrote: > Along the same lines as this question, why is there a Query and a Lookup > classification? Both are asking questions for information. I would like to > know an answer for a better distinction when I am cleaning my boards. > > Jan > > -----Original Message----- > From: boards-admins-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:boards-admins-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Joan Asche > Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 7:29 AM > To: boards-admins@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BAd] What's the Point of the Classification Feature? > > Hi, > > If you click on advance search you will see that one can use the > classification feature to search. I'm sure someone else has a better > explanation but it is available under advance search as a search tool. > > > J. Asche > > On 8/29/06, Kaesemein@aol.com <Kaesemein@aol.com> wrote: > > Hello Folks, > > > > After spending hours cleaning up my board (which I'm still in the process > of > > doing) with over > > 10,000 posts -- yep, you read that right--TEN THOUSAND! ----- I posted a > > message asking > > Message Board posters to please take the time to read the Message Board > > Rules link > > at the bottom of the page. > > > > I've received a reply from a regular poster and contributor who helps with > > many requests for > > birth, marriage and death records. He says he doesn't really see what > the > > point is for the > > Classification feature and I'm not sure I see the point either....because > > one can read the post > > and KNOW what the information is about and thus, the Classification. > > > > Is there something in the Search capabilities that I'm not aware of? I'd > > appreciate some > > advice on what to tell this poster. > > > > Thanks! > > Marilyn > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BOARDS-ADMINS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BOARDS-ADMINS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BOARDS-ADMINS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Jan, In the current board system, Query and Lookup are * NOT * the same thing. The Lookup category is reserved for those who are offering to do lookups from some source available to them. It should * NOT * be used by someone who is asking for a lookup -- that should be a Query classification. -- Mary On Tue, 29 Aug 2006, Jan Buker wrote: > Along the same lines as this question, why is there a Query and a Lookup > classification? Both are asking questions for information. I would like to > know an answer for a better distinction when I am cleaning my boards. > > Jan >

Mary is right about the original intent. The meaning of "Lookup" in the system that was replaced by the Rootsweb boards was for people to list books, microfilms and other data sources that they were OFFERING to do lookups in, not that they were asking for lookups in. The user could do a search with the Category being "Lookup" and the search term being the name of a book or whatever, and see if there was anyone who had offered to do lookups in that source. Since almost nobody knows that is what it was meant for, it does seem confusing to leave it in the system. If it is left in, "Lookup Volunteers" or even just "Volunteers" might be better at conveying the intent. -----Original Message----- From: boards-admins-bounces@rootsweb.com on behalf of Mary D. Taffet Sent: Tue 8/29/2006 9:54 AM To: boards-admins@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BAd] What's the Point of the Classification Feature?JavaScript:SetCmd(cmdSend); Jan, In the current board system, Query and Lookup are * NOT * the same thing. The Lookup category is reserved for those who are offering to do lookups from some source available to them. It should * NOT * be used by someone who is asking for a lookup -- that should be a Query classification. -- Mary On Tue, 29 Aug 2006, Jan Buker wrote: > Along the same lines as this question, why is there a Query and a Lookup > classification? Both are asking questions for information. I would like to > know an answer for a better distinction when I am cleaning my boards. > > Jan > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BOARDS-ADMINS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Marilyn, One use for the classification is to filter what you see on the board. For instance, you could limit your view of the board to JUST the obituaries if you wanted to. -- Mary On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 Kaesemein@aol.com wrote: > Hello Folks, > > After spending hours cleaning up my board (which I'm still in the process of > doing) with over > 10,000 posts -- yep, you read that right--TEN THOUSAND! ----- I posted a > message asking > Message Board posters to please take the time to read the Message Board > Rules link > at the bottom of the page. > > I've received a reply from a regular poster and contributor who helps with > many requests for > birth, marriage and death records. He says he doesn't really see what the > point is for the > Classification feature and I'm not sure I see the point either....because > one can read the post > and KNOW what the information is about and thus, the Classification. > > Is there something in the Search capabilities that I'm not aware of? I'd > appreciate some > advice on what to tell this poster. > > Thanks! > Marilyn

In a message dated 8/29/2006 10:23:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, Kaesemein@aol.com writes: He says he doesn't really see what the point is for the Classification feature and I'm not sure I see the point either....because one can read the post and KNOW what the information is about and thus, the Classification. Is there something in the Search capabilities that I'm not aware of? I'd appreciate some advice on what to tell this poster. Thanks! Marilyn Marilyn- YES--the Classifications are there for search capabilities. They enable people searching the boards to eliminate queries from their search and search ONLY for Obits or Wills, or Deeds or the type of data they want to find. It doesn't matter to the person browsing the boards--but makes a big difference to those searching for specific data types--especially on large boards with many posts. The use of classifications in the current boards replaced a system under the old GenConnect boards where there was a suite of boards--each for a separate type of post--one query board and the rest data boards. Joan

type "surnames.lockhart" into the pathway box Laurie -----Original Message----- From: Yvonne <ybowers@comcast.net> To: BOARDS-ADMINS-L@rootsweb.com Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 07:25:57 -0700 Subject: [BAd] Memory Block > I've managed boards for years but I'm embarrassed to say I've > forgotten how to write the path to move a message. I used to just > browse, select the board and move it. Now I get "virtual list has > been enabled" and can't figure out how to correctly enter the path. > I'm trying (at the request of the poster) to move a LOCKHART message > from OLIVER to LOCKHART (which is a valid board). TIA... > -- > Yvonne Bowers, Listmom > NORCAL*SOCAL*CORNISH*CORNISH-GEN*CA-CORNISH > BENNEY*BRANSON*GARRETSON/GARRISON*GIANOTTI* > LORENTZ/LORANCE/LOWRANCE*MOFFAT/TT/ETT/ITT*OLIVER > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BOARDS-ADMINS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yvonne wrote: >I've managed boards for years but I'm embarrassed to say I've >forgotten how to write the path to move a message. I used to just >browse, select the board and move it. Now I get "virtual list has >been enabled" and can't figure out how to correctly enter the path. >I'm trying (at the request of the poster) to move a LOCKHART message >from OLIVER to LOCKHART (which is a valid board). TIA... > > Assuming those are surname boards, just type in "surnames.LOCKHART" (upper- or lower-case and without the inverted commas). You can't use Browse with surnames. Lynne

In a message dated 8/29/2006 10:27:57 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, ybowers@comcast.net writes: I've managed boards for years but I'm embarrassed to say I've forgotten how to write the path to move a message. I used to just browse, select the board and move it. Now I get "virtual list has been enabled" and can't figure out how to correctly enter the path. I'm trying (at the request of the poster) to move a LOCKHART message from OLIVER to LOCKHART (which is a valid board). TIA... ========================================== I'm assuming those are surname boards? Then all you have to do is type surnames.oliver or surnames.lockhart in the window. There is no long path to follow like there is with location/topic boards. Be sure you put the period between the word surnames and the surname itself. Marilyn

Hi, If you click on advance search you will see that one can use the classification feature to search. I'm sure someone else has a better explanation but it is available under advance search as a search tool. J. Asche On 8/29/06, Kaesemein@aol.com <Kaesemein@aol.com> wrote: > Hello Folks, > > After spending hours cleaning up my board (which I'm still in the process of > doing) with over > 10,000 posts -- yep, you read that right--TEN THOUSAND! ----- I posted a > message asking > Message Board posters to please take the time to read the Message Board > Rules link > at the bottom of the page. > > I've received a reply from a regular poster and contributor who helps with > many requests for > birth, marriage and death records. He says he doesn't really see what the > point is for the > Classification feature and I'm not sure I see the point either....because > one can read the post > and KNOW what the information is about and thus, the Classification. > > Is there something in the Search capabilities that I'm not aware of? I'd > appreciate some > advice on what to tell this poster. > > Thanks! > Marilyn > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BOARDS-ADMINS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Folks, After spending hours cleaning up my board (which I'm still in the process of doing) with over 10,000 posts -- yep, you read that right--TEN THOUSAND! ----- I posted a message asking Message Board posters to please take the time to read the Message Board Rules link at the bottom of the page. I've received a reply from a regular poster and contributor who helps with many requests for birth, marriage and death records. He says he doesn't really see what the point is for the Classification feature and I'm not sure I see the point either....because one can read the post and KNOW what the information is about and thus, the Classification. Is there something in the Search capabilities that I'm not aware of? I'd appreciate some advice on what to tell this poster. Thanks! Marilyn

Along the same lines as this question, why is there a Query and a Lookup classification? Both are asking questions for information. I would like to know an answer for a better distinction when I am cleaning my boards. Jan -----Original Message----- From: boards-admins-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:boards-admins-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Joan Asche Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 7:29 AM To: boards-admins@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BAd] What's the Point of the Classification Feature? Hi, If you click on advance search you will see that one can use the classification feature to search. I'm sure someone else has a better explanation but it is available under advance search as a search tool. J. Asche On 8/29/06, Kaesemein@aol.com <Kaesemein@aol.com> wrote: > Hello Folks, > > After spending hours cleaning up my board (which I'm still in the process of > doing) with over > 10,000 posts -- yep, you read that right--TEN THOUSAND! ----- I posted a > message asking > Message Board posters to please take the time to read the Message Board > Rules link > at the bottom of the page. > > I've received a reply from a regular poster and contributor who helps with > many requests for > birth, marriage and death records. He says he doesn't really see what the > point is for the > Classification feature and I'm not sure I see the point either....because > one can read the post > and KNOW what the information is about and thus, the Classification. > > Is there something in the Search capabilities that I'm not aware of? I'd > appreciate some > advice on what to tell this poster. > > Thanks! > Marilyn > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BOARDS-ADMINS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BOARDS-ADMINS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Malibu wrote: >I did go to the message board, and they are not there. They are on the >mailing list. >Colleen > There's nothing a board admin can do about spam on the mailing list. If it's extremely offensive, the list admin can have the spam removed from the archives, but usually it's not worth jumping through hoops to remove. Lynne

Malibu wrote: >We have someone posting spam on the Finland board. Can anyone tell me what >we need to do? The board administer is apparently not around. >Colleen > Use Report Abuse and tick off "Spam." Staff will take care of it. Lynne