In a message dated 9/6/2006 12:33:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, cageycat@gmail.com writes: Lately, I've seen a lot of List complaints about Board gateways. Listers seem angry about Board posts being gatewayed. So it appears to me that MORE education should go to both users, but also more attention to educating board users. Most Listers resent the "thank you," "new email," and no-content Board posts. Any ideas how Admins can better educate Board Users? I'm not a List Admin so I can only assist in educating there. Judy Judy- I think what you are seeing is a backlash resulting from the ill-advised (in my opinion) decision on the part of staff to make YES the default setting under Mailman for: "Send mail to poster when their posting is held for approval?" I've changed all of my lists to NO as soon as they have migrated for the very reason that board posters are very confused when they get a notice that their post to a members only mailing list (that they know they never subscribed to and never actually attempted to post a message to) is being held for review. They are sufficiently notified that their board posts will be gatewayed to the list by the blurb on the board--they don't need to know that the list admin is going to "review" and judge their post before it is permitted on the list! It tends to upset the board posters. Joan

Lately, I've seen a lot of List complaints about Board gateways. Listers seem angry about Board posts being gatewayed. So it appears to me that MORE education should go to both users, but also more attention to educating board users. Most Listers resent the "thank you," "new email," and no-content Board posts. Any ideas how Admins can better educate Board Users? I'm not a List Admin so I can only assist in educating there. Judy -- ~PRIMARY NAMES: ANTHONY, BAKER, FLOWERS, LANE, SEPTER~ Washington Co PA free Websites: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~florian http://freepages.family.rootsweb.com/~florian County Coordinator for http://www.rootsweb.com/~pawashin/ Researchers of Washington County PA, join our map: http://www.frappr.com/researchingwashingtoncopa

In a message dated 9/6/2006 11:19:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, Davis@dmea.osd.mil writes: Hi All, It seems to me that porting message board messages to lists should be optional from both ends. The Board administrator should be able to port if they wish and the list should be able to accept if they wish. The list admin of a large list may not want every little comment made on boards. The list admin shouldn't have the right to capture every message off off boards and publish them on their lists unless the board admin agrees. Both admins should have the right to request this transfer and both should have the right to deny it. These two mediums in my opinion are good for different purposes. James R. Davis, Sacramento, CA James- Turning ON the gateway between the list and board requires the agreement of BOTH the list and board admin to do so...turning OFF the gateway requires only one of the two (either one) to request that the gateway be turned off. So it IS optional at both ends--both admins must be in agreement have the gateway turned on. However, you can't have the board admin deciding on their own to turn on the board side of the gateway without the list admin being in agreement to accept the email on the list side--and having the gateway on the list's accept list--or the emails from the board would only bounce. Joan

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/BF.2ADIAE/1203.3 Message Board Post: By "Members Only" list anyone can read the archives but one has to be subscribed to the list to post a message, By subscribing you are a "member". Boards are open to anyone to post, you don't have to subscribe to post a message on the board.

Hi All, To help with the education of users I have in my "Links and Announcments" the following: General Rules on Posting 1. Stay on topic - Genealogy about the [surname] board surname. 2. Include in the SUBJECT a NAME, DATE, and LOCATION. 3. Include in the BODY discussion on [surname] genealogy, etc. but not ... a. Commercial Advertising b. Abusive language - flames, course language 4. Remember to enter your SURNAMES in the Surname List for Indexing, but only those names you put in the BODY of your message. 5. Pick the Classification/Category of Query/Reply. a. Entry of other Data Source Types is discouraged at this time. We can discuss this on the LEPP-L mailing list or write to me personnally. I should add. 6. Please avoid messages with no genealogical content such as "Thank You's". James R. Davis, Sacramento, CA -----Original Message----- From: boards-admins-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:boards-admins-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Judy Florian Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 9:08 AM To: BOARDS-ADMINS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [BAd] Gateways to Lists - comment / suggestion Lately, I've seen a lot of List complaints about Board gateways. Listers seem angry about Board posts being gatewayed. So it appears to me that MORE education should go to both users, but also more attention to educating board users. Most Listers resent the "thank you," "new email," and no-content Board posts. Any ideas how Admins can better educate Board Users? I'm not a List Admin so I can only assist in educating there. Judy -- ~PRIMARY NAMES: ANTHONY, BAKER, FLOWERS, LANE, SEPTER~ Washington Co PA free Websites: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~florian http://freepages.family.rootsweb.com/~florian County Coordinator for http://www.rootsweb.com/~pawashin/ Researchers of Washington County PA, join our map: http://www.frappr.com/researchingwashingtoncopa ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BOARDS-ADMINS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/BF.2ADIAE/1203.1.2.1 Message Board Post: Of course it was -- and was a known issue, but you can't make ALL the pieces fit at one time--they have to be dealt with as time permits. It would have resolved itself had there not been the postponement of the improved boards. Joan

Hi All, It seems to me that porting message board messages to lists should be optional from both ends. The Board administrator should be able to port if they wish and the list should be able to accept if they wish. The list admin of a large list may not want every little comment made on boards. The list admin shouldn't have the right to capture every message off off boards and publish them on their lists unless the board admin agrees. Both admins should have the right to request this transfer and both should have the right to deny it. These two mediums in my opinion are good for different purposes. James R. Davis, Sacramento, CA -----Original Message----- From: boards-admins-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:boards-admins-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of achsa_tovin@hotmail.com Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 5:42 AM To: BOARDS-ADMINS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BAd] Member only list?? This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/BF.2ADIAE/1203.1.2 Message Board Post: <<Unfortunately, with the current changeover of RootsWeb mailing lists to a new management system, the gateway isn't working as it should and gatewayed posts by non-list subscribers are being held for list admin approval prior to be posted to the list. That is why you received the notice.>> Wasn't this noticed during the beta-testing? ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BOARDS-ADMINS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/BF.2ADIAE/1203.1.2 Message Board Post: <<Unfortunately, with the current changeover of RootsWeb mailing lists to a new management system, the gateway isn't working as it should and gatewayed posts by non-list subscribers are being held for list admin approval prior to be posted to the list. That is why you received the notice.>> Wasn't this noticed during the beta-testing?

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/BF.2ADIAE/1203.2.1 Message Board Post: See my response to Joan Young and then goodbye

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/BF.2ADIAE/1203.2 Message Board Post: All Rootsweb mailing lists are member only lists- as opposed to the message boards. Since the mailing list migration started all board messages to the mailing lists go to the list administrator since the gateway no longer works- unless you are a member of the list that shares the board gateway.

Jackie, On multi-data posts I use biography. Biography is a "collection of facts" about a person. Think of the post of multi-data as if all those pieces of info were put into a narrative form, like in County Biographies (e.g. Beers). Thinking of the post as the forerunner of a narrative writing may help see multi-data posts as more a biography classification that any other class. Judy On 9/5/06, Jackie Wilson Goddard <jaws64@comlinkusa.net> wrote: > > At 03:24 PM 9/5/2006, you wrote: > > >I'm having trouble grasping how such a reply would be appropriate if in > >response to a query on a specific individual or family. I think I > >know the type > >of lookups you are referring to and I think they are a bit > misdirected--no > >one reads those lengthy posts and the data just gets "lost." They > >also tend to > >be posted on locality boards and ramble on about data for other > counties on > >a given surname. I'd just as leave not have them -- even as much as > I love > >seeing data posted to a board. > > > >Joan > > > > Joan, > > Yes, these are on locality boards. One poster posts the lengthy ones > about one specific Surname, but not as responses to queries. The > other poster is replying to queries. For example, the original query > might want obits for a couple. The volunteer not only finds the > obits, but also the SSDI, cemetery, newspaper death notices (and > anything else she can find) about the couple, but also birth, > marriage, death, cemetery, etc. info on the children of the > couple. I can't imagine them classified as anything but Lookup. > > Jackie > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/437 - Release Date: 9/4/2006 > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BOARDS-ADMINS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- ~PRIMARY NAMES: ANTHONY, BAKER, FLOWERS, LANE, SEPTER~ Washington Co PA free Websites: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~florian http://freepages.family.rootsweb.com/~florian County Coordinator for http://www.rootsweb.com/~pawashin/ Researchers of Washington County PA, join our map: http://www.frappr.com/researchingwashingtoncopa

At 05:29 PM 9/5/2006, you wrote: >Jackie, > >On multi-data posts I use biography. Biography is a "collection of facts" >about a person. > >Judy Judy, As I said to Joan, I would (and do) use Biography if the post is "about A person". Jackie -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/437 - Release Date: 9/4/2006

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/BF.2ADIAE/1203.1.1 Message Board Post: Joan, thank you once more for 1. Responding. 2. for informing me about "MEMBERS ONLY". I have been posting to lists for many years and never came across that before.

At 03:24 PM 9/5/2006, you wrote: >I'm having trouble grasping how such a reply would be appropriate if in >response to a query on a specific individual or family. I think I >know the type >of lookups you are referring to and I think they are a bit misdirected--no >one reads those lengthy posts and the data just gets "lost." They >also tend to >be posted on locality boards and ramble on about data for other counties on >a given surname. I'd just as leave not have them -- even as much as I love >seeing data posted to a board. > >Joan > Joan, Yes, these are on locality boards. One poster posts the lengthy ones about one specific Surname, but not as responses to queries. The other poster is replying to queries. For example, the original query might want obits for a couple. The volunteer not only finds the obits, but also the SSDI, cemetery, newspaper death notices (and anything else she can find) about the couple, but also birth, marriage, death, cemetery, etc. info on the children of the couple. I can't imagine them classified as anything but Lookup. Jackie -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/437 - Release Date: 9/4/2006

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/BF.2ADIAE/1203.1 Message Board Post: Jack- All RootsWeb mailing lists only allow posting by list subscribers. However, if a list is gatewayed to a message board then posts to the board are gatewayed to the corresponding list whether or not the board poster is a list subscriber. Unfortunately, with the current changeover of RootsWeb mailing lists to a new management system, the gateway isn't working as it should and gatewayed posts by non-list subscribers are being held for list admin approval prior to be posted to the list. That is why you received the notice. Joan

In a message dated 9/5/2006 4:19:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, jaws64@comlinkusa.net writes: These posts contain data on numerous individuals (usually all of the same family, but occasionally not) and "Biography" just doesn't feel right in these cases. Jackie I'm having trouble grasping how such a reply would be appropriate if in response to a query on a specific individual or family. I think I know the type of lookups you are referring to and I think they are a bit misdirected--no one reads those lengthy posts and the data just gets "lost." They also tend to be posted on locality boards and ramble on about data for other counties on a given surname. I'd just as leave not have them -- even as much as I love seeing data posted to a board. Joan

In a message dated 9/5/2006 3:40:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, jaws64@comlinkusa.net writes: What classification would you suggest using for posts containing 5-6 different types of data (census, marriage, death, obituary and cemetery)? Jackie Personally I'd probably call them Biographies....but that's just me. I probably wouldn't call them lookups. Or possibly they should have been posted as separate replies with each type of data. Joan

At 02:43 PM 9/5/2006, you wrote: >Personally I'd probably call them Biographies....but that's just me. I >probably wouldn't call them lookups. Or possibly they should have >been posted as >separate replies with each type of data. > >Joan > Joan, I'd LOVE to see these volunteers post each data-type in separate posts but said volunteers are NOT receptive to suggestions or requests. I don't think anyone likes posts that print out to 20+ pages!! When I tried corresponding with one of these volunteers asking her to consider limiting each post to one individual, I also mentioned how difficult those lengthy posts are for folks with older computers, dial-up connections, or web-tv units, the response was basically "This is the way I've always done it and this is the how I'm always going to post." I would probably agree with using Biography if the posts were about one individual or couple. These posts contain data on numerous individuals (usually all of the same family, but occasionally not) and "Biography" just doesn't feel right in these cases. Jackie -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/437 - Release Date: 9/4/2006

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/BF.2ADIAE/1203 Message Board Post: Why this message and since when are there MEMBER ONLY LISTS???????? "Cancel held message posting" Your confirmation is required in order to cancel the posting of your message to the mailing list KSHARVEY: • Sender: jackoc5@netscape.net • Subject: HOLDEMAN Family Hesston Harvey Cty Kansas • Reason: Post sent by a non-member to a members-only list. Hit the Cancel posting button to discard the posting. Or hit the Continue awaiting approval button to continue to allow the list moderator to approve or reject the message. ________________________________________ ________________________________________ KSHARVEY administrative interface (requires authorization)

In a message dated 9/5/2006 1:12:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, jaws64@comlinkusa.net writes: The full article is at: http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/review/20020724.txt Jackie Jackie- Yes--and notice that the article sort of sidesteps what a LOOKUP really is--I think LOOKUP confuses everyone because it doesn't really fit any real query or data classification. The query classification is for all queries, and the data classifications are for the types of data--and the fact that you physically lookup up the data in a specific source is NOT a data type--which is what makes the classification so nebulous (and in my opinion worthless). Joan