This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/BF.2ADIAE/1203.1.2.1.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: <<We WERE told this on the various admin lists.>> So, one should only expected to be informed of major issues IF one subscribes to various admin lists??? But then again, that probably IS the mindset of those who inform SUBSCRIBERS of the update before the admins..... Joan, learning of a major issue as a subscriber to a mailing list is in NO WAY the same as being informed, as the list admin, of the same issue.

If they don't find a way for the list administrators to "moderate" message board postings, the sound of gateways being slammed shut will be deafening. Karima ----- Original Message ----- From: <JYoung6180@aol.com> To: <boards-admins@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [BAd] Gateways to Lists - Joan > Well, this is the part that was left hanging up in the air. Whenever the > gateway issues with Mailman are resolved we were told a new gateway > address > would be placed on a *global* accept list--and no one was sure whether > this > *global* accept list could be overridden by moderation. > > Joan

In a message dated 9/7/2006 10:55:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, Tribehunter@aol.com writes: Is it acceptable to advertise a Yahoo SURNAME group on the surname message board? Thanks, Marilyn Why not? If the post is relevant to the list I see no reason to try to censor a post. Joan

In a message dated 9/7/2006 9:47:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, Tribehunter@aol.com writes: When cleaning up surnames on the board, do we put the apostrophe in names such as O'Connor, O'Malley, etc?.....or do we leave it out; OConnor, OMalley. Thanks for your help, Marilyn I'd leave them however the poster entered them although OConnor will not be found in a search in the same way O'CONNOR will. I do think most people researching these names know to try searching for any possible variations. Joan

In a message dated 9/7/2006 7:56:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, lklein@mindspring.com writes: or the list admin could put the gateway on moderation (once the gateway address gets straightened out), thereby allowing only some posts to reach the lists. Lynne Well, this is the part that was left hanging up in the air. Whenever the gateway issues with Mailman are resolved we were told a new gateway address would be placed on a *global* accept list--and no one was sure whether this *global* accept list could be overridden by moderation. Joan

I like this feature. Half of my lists have migrated, and I can see that it saves spam. Will we be able to do this manually after the migration has finished? I administer all the boards for my mailing lists. Linda -----Original Message----- From: boards-admins-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:boards-admins-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of JYoung6180@aol.com Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 11:27 AM To: boards-admins@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BAd] Gateways to Lists - Joan In a message dated 9/7/2006 2:13:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, ktlkate@avantek.net writes: How do you put the gateway on moderation? I don't intend to do it, but didn't know you could. Linda Linda- If you list has migrated to the new Mailman software it is automatically on Moderation for now. :) If not, the list will likely migrate very soon. Joan ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BOARDS-ADMINS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/BF.2ADIAE/1203.1.2.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: You wrote: Maybe YOU were told, but some of us weren't. There was NOTHING in the e-mail "Admin Information for the RootsWeb Mailing List Update" I received (I'll be happy to paste the entire message). My reply: We WERE told this on the various admin lists. You wrote: This is on the schedule page: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/migrate_sched.html "A note about Mailing List/Message Board Gateways: This update is being done in conjunction with the message board update. For lists that have gateways to related message boards, once the message board updates launch, the gateways will not work until the list has been updated. We anticipate that this will only be for a short period of time and affect only a few lists. We apologize for the inconvenience." Let me repeat a key phrase, with emphasis: "the gateways will not work UNTIL the list has been updated">> My Reply: I'm sticking to my story that WE (admins on the various admin lists) were told the gateway had not been expected to work at all and they were surprised it did work in sending mail from the boards. I doubt the problems on the list side were anticipated either in view of the fact they didn't realize the messages would be coming from the boards at all. As for when this all will be fixed--since the notice about the board launch you quoted above is now obsolete that changes everything. The current info is that once all lists are migrated they will work on fixing the gateway glitches -- since the boards are on hold and it won't get fixed automatically when the boards launch because that won't be anytime soon. Joan

Is it acceptable to advertise a Yahoo SURNAME group on the surname message board? Thanks, Marilyn

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/BF.2ADIAE/1203.1.3 Message Board Post: Joan, someone ? has taken the time to fix the BOARD/LIST for HOLDEMAN, it is working this morning. Since this board doesnot have an administrator I dont know who to thank, But THANK YOU. This is what started the chain.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/BF.2ADIAE/1203.1.2.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: <<We were actually told that during the changeover the gateways wouldn't be working AT ALL.>> Maybe YOU were told, but some of us weren't. There was NOTHING in the e-mail "Admin Information for the RootsWeb Mailing List Update" I received (I'll be happy to paste the entire message). This is on the schedule page: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/migrate_sched.html "A note about Mailing List/Message Board Gateways: This update is being done in conjunction with the message board update. For lists that have gateways to related message boards, once the message board updates launch, the gateways will not work until the list has been updated. We anticipate that this will only be for a short period of time and affect only a few lists. We apologize for the inconvenience." Let me repeat a key phrase, with emphasis: "the gateways will not work UNTIL the list has been updated"

How do you put the gateway on moderation? I don't intend to do it, but didn't know you could. Linda -----Original Message----- From: boards-admins-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:boards-admins-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of lklein@mindspring.com Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 4:48 AM To: boards-admins@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BAd] Gateways to Lists - Joan Pat M Mahan wrote: >Joan, > >Are we still going to be able to 'ban' the open board gateways to the >lists when this 'shakedown cruise' is over? > I'm not Joan, but . . . As always, the board or the list administrator could ask to have the gateway closed or the list admin could put the gateway on moderation (once the gateway address gets straightened out), thereby allowing only some posts to reach the lists. Lynne ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BOARDS-ADMINS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

When cleaning up surnames on the board, do we put the apostrophe in names such as O'Connor, O'Malley, etc?.....or do we leave it out; OConnor, OMalley. Thanks for your help, Marilyn

I'm interested to know why you'd want to close the open gateway? Isn't it better to also have list input to a board poster's query? All but one of my boards are open (list admin closed it), and in most cases, I also admin the list, so this is a new question for me, that I hadn't thought of. I do like your "shakedown cruise" analogy... :o) Carlette ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat M Mahan" <mahan@hiwaay.net> To: <boards-admins@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 6:24 AM Subject: Re: [BAd] Gateways to Lists - Joan > Joan, > > Are we still going to be able to 'ban' the open board gateways to the > lists > when this 'shakedown cruise' is over? > > Pat

Pat M Mahan wrote: >Joan, > >Are we still going to be able to 'ban' the open board gateways to the lists >when this 'shakedown cruise' is over? > I'm not Joan, but . . . As always, the board or the list administrator could ask to have the gateway closed or the list admin could put the gateway on moderation (once the gateway address gets straightened out), thereby allowing only some posts to reach the lists. Lynne

Joan, Are we still going to be able to 'ban' the open board gateways to the lists when this 'shakedown cruise' is over? Pat

Spoke too soon. Just had a board post in pending for me to approve. Guess the first one went through because I was the poster and I'm a member of the list. It's 10 p.m. here in Arizona and my brain must have gone to bed without me. Karen B. -----Original Message----- From: boards-admins-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:boards-admins-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Karen Bush Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 9:54 PM To: boards-admins@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BAd] Member only list?? I'm glad you said something, because I posted an obit on the Allegany Co. New York board expecting it to end up in "pending" but it went straight to the list. Guess I'm not losing my mind after all. Karen B.

I'm glad you said something, because I posted an obit on the Allegany Co. New York board expecting it to end up in "pending" but it went straight to the list. Guess I'm not losing my mind after all. Karen B. -----Original Message----- From: boards-admins-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:boards-admins-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of JYoung6180@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 8:39 PM To: BOARDS-ADMINS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BAd] Member only list?? This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/BF.2ADIAE/1203.1.2.1.1.1 Message Board Post: We were actually told that during the changeover the gateways wouldn't be working AT ALL. Apparently it was not realized by those in charge that as long as the gateway was ON on the BOARD side that emails would still be flooding onto the list side even though the new list system wouldn't be able to handle them correctly until all pieces were in place. I was told that it was a "surprise" that the gateway was working at all. Joan

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/BF.2ADIAE/1203.1.2.1.1.1 Message Board Post: We were actually told that during the changeover the gateways wouldn't be working AT ALL. Apparently it was not realized by those in charge that as long as the gateway was ON on the BOARD side that emails would still be flooding onto the list side even though the new list system wouldn't be able to handle them correctly until all pieces were in place. I was told that it was a "surprise" that the gateway was working at all. Joan

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/BF.2ADIAE/1203.1.2.1.1 Message Board Post: Regardless of the postponement of the updated boards, since it was a KNOWN issue, list admins should have been apprised of the possibilty of it creating problems. We weren't. Instead we were told to ensure we had the gateway address on our accept list. We STILL haven't received an official notice from Anc/RW that there IS an issue.

In a message dated 9/6/2006 12:47:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, Davis@dmea.osd.mil writes: 4. Remember to enter your SURNAMES in the Surname List for Indexing, but only those names you put in the BODY of your message. 5. Pick the Classification/Category of Query/Reply. a. Entry of other Data Source Types is discouraged at this time. We can discuss this on the LEPP-L mailing list or write to me personnally. Although I KNOW admins who post their own version of board rules MEAN well--I sort of cringe whenever I see an admin do this--unless there are unique features of your specific board that DO require special rules that don't apply to ALL boards. If not, it is FAR preferable to allow RootsWeb to state in the board rules and help text and faqs what the rules are for posting to our boards. Why? Because boards are open to use by everyone who follows the rules set by ROOTSWEB--not rules an admin decides he wishes to enforce or rules he may misinterpret. That level of control is reserved for mailing lists--not boards. In the above "rules" you state that surnames must appear in the MESSAGE BODY in order to be included in the surname box--but that is NOT what general board rules say--the surnames must be mentioned in the message--and that includes the body of the message as well as the SUBJECT of the message. Also your rule that other types of data posts are not to be posted to the board? Where did you find that in the board rules? ANY on-topic data may be posted to the boards as long as it meets RootsWeb's board rules--board admins simply do not have the discretion to restrict a board poster's rights beyond the limits set by RootsWeb. Joan