I don't agree. If an announcement of free genealogy web sites doesn't belong on Boards, where would they? If it is not commercial, I see no problem. Judy On 9/8/06, Lauren Boyd <listsmonster@gmail.com> wrote: > > Marilyn: > > The only thing that I can think of that would be reason to delete or > move such a post is if that was ALL it was about. In the realm of > "lookie I have a web site" with no genealogical content. Board topic > is not announcement of resources. There may be a more appropriate > venue for such an announcement. > > However, mention of a yahoo group or other resource as part of a > genealogical post would not be cause for removal --- unless it is a > commercial site. Yahoo does not fit that category. > > Cheers, > > -- > ~PRIMARY NAMES: ANTHONY, BAKER, FLOWERS, LANE, SEPTER~ > Washington Co PA free Websites: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~florian > http://freepages.family.rootsweb.com/~florian > County Coordinator for http://www.rootsweb.com/~pawashin/ > Researchers of Washington County PA, join our map: > http://www.frappr.com/researchingwashingtoncopa

Pat, Thanks for your thoughts, it means a lot for us poor administrators.

Jan--- A classification should always be entered and not left blank. The "default" is "query." Data have specific classifications. However, if there is a question or a statement of "contact me if these connect to your line," again, it belongs to the "query" classification. Looks like you have some clean up to do. Cheers, Lauren On 8/30/06, Jan Buker <jcbuker@bukerfamily.org> wrote: > I am probably wrong to do so but in this case on the reply I use the blank > option. It mentions no surnames so it is doubtful anyone would be looking > for that specific thing in a search IMHO. > > Jan

Marilyn --- A little known fact is that the O is actually a separate word in Celtic names. "While the Mac, both in Highland and Irish names, has often become incorporated, the O has generally resisted this. The name Ogilvie is an exception, but even this was formerly written O'Gilvie, and is sometimes found thus written yet. It is said also to be the solitary instance of a Highland O, but, perhaps, if we looked closely, we should find others. In at least one northern Irish name the O has become incorporated into the body of the surname, and changed into an A, viz., 'O'Gnimh,' which was once anglicised 'O'Gneeve,' but now mostly 'Agnew.' In the North the O is pronounced very short and obscure, and this makes the corruption or suppression all the easier. What the O was--what it really meant--used to exercise many foreigners and even some Irishmen greatly, and even yet, though its meaning in Irish is thoroughly known, men are not agreed as to what its true Aryan analogues are. But it is no abbreviation--no preposition--it is like Mac, a full substantive. It is only the modern form of a word which was formerly spelt ua (still so spelt in its literal sense) signifying at first a grandson, and then any remote descendant, as O'Briain (O'Brien), descendant of Brian. In old Irish the word was aue, which would represent a prehistoric Irish *auas or *avas. Now if *auas had lost an initial p--as is the case with many of our Irish words that now begin with a vowel or a liquid--as Ir. athair (father) for *p-athair, iasc (fish) for *p-iasc, lan (full) for *p-lán, etc., we could infer an original *p-auas which might be compared with the Latin puer, poir, and the Greek pais (a boy, a son). " Whilst we should not over meddle with a poster's post, I can see how one would be inclined to "restore" the apostrophe. And based upon the snipped above from an essay regarding Celtic names, very few actually have a combined form when the O rather than the Mac is used. Consider that the poster *should* know how their family names are spelled. Cheers, Lauren On 9/7/06, Tribehunter@aol.com <Tribehunter@aol.com> wrote: > When cleaning up surnames on the board, do we put the apostrophe in > names such as O'Connor, O'Malley, etc?.....or do we leave it out; > OConnor, OMalley. > > Thanks for your help, > Marilyn > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BOARDS-ADMINS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

In a message dated 9/8/2006 7:11:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, mahan@hiwaay.net writes: Yes, I know. That's why I used "did" instead of "do" in my post about this. But, now I've got another question - why does mailman 'lump' all the messages by a single person together if they have come in from the boards in a short period of time? And, is there any way to separate them? Or, if I go to the individual notifications, will that be separate? Have to admit that I didn't try this until it was too late <sigh - it's been a lloonngg day and it definitely isn't over yet.> Pat You can choose to view all pending requests by the same address if you like or you can just view them one by one--your choice. You might be clicking the link to view all pending posts by the single address? Joan

Marilyn: The only thing that I can think of that would be reason to delete or move such a post is if that was ALL it was about. In the realm of "lookie I have a web site" with no genealogical content. Board topic is not announcement of resources. There may be a more appropriate venue for such an announcement. However, mention of a yahoo group or other resource as part of a genealogical post would not be cause for removal --- unless it is a commercial site. Yahoo does not fit that category. Cheers, Lauren On 9/7/06, Tribehunter@aol.com <Tribehunter@aol.com> wrote: > Is it acceptable to advertise a Yahoo SURNAME group on the surname message > board? > > Thanks, > Marilyn > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BOARDS-ADMINS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

----- Original Message ----- From: <JYoung6180@aol.com> To: <boards-admins@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 8:50 AM Subject: Re: [BAd] Gateways to Lists - Joan > > In a message dated 9/8/2006 7:03:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, > mahan@hiwaay.net writes: > > I do not have a closed gateway - but I did have the 'old' > gc-gateway@rootsweb.com on the reject list. > > Pat > > > > Pat- > > Once the lists are migrated to the Mailman system it is irrelevant whether > you have gc-gateway on the reject list because that address is stripped as > being the SENDER address by Mailman and is replaced by the Mailman > default SENDER > header address of listname-bounces. This is what is going to need fixing > once all lists are migrated and the dust settles. > > Joan > Joan, Yes, I know. That's why I used "did" instead of "do" in my post about this. But, now I've got another question - why does mailman 'lump' all the messages by a single person together if they have come in from the boards in a short period of time? And, is there any way to separate them? Or, if I go to the individual notifications, will that be separate? Have to admit that I didn't try this until it was too late <sigh - it's been a lloonngg day and it definitely isn't over yet.> Pat

I dunno, I'm just reporting what the guy told me. This was a person higher up in the chain but I can't say whether his info was correct or not. On 9/8/06, ETM <etm1935@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Wouldn't Ancestry simply do a global search of its > computer/server files to obtain the names of all > list and board admin? I would think their software > (probably far more sophisticated than mine) would > approximate what my mail program or Power Desk can > do, I can search from the top for items (specific > or vague) and a neat list of hits is provided to > me. > > Elaine > > The chief value of money lies in the fact > that one lives in a world in which it is > overestimated. --Mencken > > Hello cageycat > > On Thursday, September 7, 2006, you wrote > > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > > Classification: Query > > > Message Board URL: > > > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/BF.2ADIAE/1203.1.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.2 > > > Message Board Post: > > > Hi Erika, > > > One time I had the opportunity to talk on the > > phone to a boss-type person in Rootsweb (very > > unusual, so I was very pleased). > > > One of the things we discussed was about Admins > > getting more recognition, and I was told RW & > > Ancestry hadn't really kept "a list" of all the > > various volunteers who perform Admin jobs on > > Boards or Lists. They KNOW we're all there but > > it isn't like either one has a "master mailing > > list" for all Admins & our email addresses (and > > changes to our addys). > > > He commented that the volunteerism role is > > becoming more recognized as a vital aspect of > > both services (Ancestry & RW) and they are > > discussing how they can better keep track of > > volunteers through a master list of sorts. But > > this is not in place now. I even pointed out to > > him over on Ancestry they have a CCC Volunteer > > Progam (Consumer Contributed Content) with a > > separate web page that has never been utilized > > but has been there for several?? years; I signed > > up there a long, long time ago but there is > > absolutely nothing to "do" as a volunteer. > > > They realize these deficiencies and hope to > > someday get volunteers & the valuable work we do > > and get more aligned with contact and > > recognition. But that is future. > > > Having said all this, I agree with Joan. If I > > want Admin info, I sign onto lists, just as if I > > want the daily news I turn on the TV, buy a paper etc. > > > Judy > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BOARDS-ADMINS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- ~PRIMARY NAMES: ANTHONY, BAKER, FLOWERS, LANE, SEPTER~ Washington Co PA free Websites: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~florian http://freepages.family.rootsweb.com/~florian County Coordinator for http://www.rootsweb.com/~pawashin/ Researchers of Washington County PA, join our map: http://www.frappr.com/researchingwashingtoncopa

In a message dated 9/8/2006 7:03:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, mahan@hiwaay.net writes: I do not have a closed gateway - but I did have the 'old' gc-gateway@rootsweb.com on the reject list. Pat Pat- Once the lists are migrated to the Mailman system it is irrelevant whether you have gc-gateway on the reject list because that address is stripped as being the SENDER address by Mailman and is replaced by the Mailman default SENDER header address of listname-bounces. This is what is going to need fixing once all lists are migrated and the dust settles. Joan

Wouldn't Ancestry simply do a global search of its computer/server files to obtain the names of all list and board admin? I would think their software (probably far more sophisticated than mine) would approximate what my mail program or Power Desk can do, I can search from the top for items (specific or vague) and a neat list of hits is provided to me. Elaine The chief value of money lies in the fact that one lives in a world in which it is overestimated. --Mencken Hello cageycat On Thursday, September 7, 2006, you wrote > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > Classification: Query > Message Board URL: > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/BF.2ADIAE/1203.1.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.2 > Message Board Post: > Hi Erika, > One time I had the opportunity to talk on the > phone to a boss-type person in Rootsweb (very > unusual, so I was very pleased). > One of the things we discussed was about Admins > getting more recognition, and I was told RW & > Ancestry hadn't really kept "a list" of all the > various volunteers who perform Admin jobs on > Boards or Lists. They KNOW we're all there but > it isn't like either one has a "master mailing > list" for all Admins & our email addresses (and > changes to our addys). > He commented that the volunteerism role is > becoming more recognized as a vital aspect of > both services (Ancestry & RW) and they are > discussing how they can better keep track of > volunteers through a master list of sorts. But > this is not in place now. I even pointed out to > him over on Ancestry they have a CCC Volunteer > Progam (Consumer Contributed Content) with a > separate web page that has never been utilized > but has been there for several?? years; I signed > up there a long, long time ago but there is > absolutely nothing to "do" as a volunteer. > They realize these deficiencies and hope to > someday get volunteers & the valuable work we do > and get more aligned with contact and > recognition. But that is future. > Having said all this, I agree with Joan. If I > want Admin info, I sign onto lists, just as if I > want the daily news I turn on the TV, buy a paper etc. > Judy

Thanks for your replies, everyone. I wasn't certain if this was okay or in line with the AUP guidelines. Marilyn

Thanks everyone. Now all I have to do is sit back and wait... and hope that this feature will, in some way or another, still be available. Pat

I do not have a closed gateway - but I did have the 'old' gc-gateway@rootsweb.com on the reject list. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carlette" <carlette@centurytel.net> To: <boards-admins@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 8:42 AM Subject: Re: [BAd] Gateways to Lists - Joan > I'm interested to know why you'd want to close the open gateway? Isn't it > better to also have list input to a board poster's query?

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/BF.2ADIAE/1203.1.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.2 Message Board Post: Judy, <<RW & Ancestry hadn't really kept "a list" of all the various volunteers who perform Admin jobs on Boards or Lists>> That can't possibly be true because list admins received a message with the subject "Admin Information for the RootsWeb Mailing List Update" which began with "Dear Mailing List Admin". Receiving "recognition" is the least of my concerns. <<If I want Admin info, I sign onto lists, just as if I want the daily news I turn on the TV, buy a paper etc.>> It's so nice that you have the time for those admin lists, with an average of 70 messages a day during August for the listowners list... As for me, I have a life *away* from the computer (such as work and family). The very LEAST that should have been done was a blip on the RW Help page.... Erika

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/BF.2ADIAE/1203.1.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1 Message Board Post: Judy- Although it is seldom used for a variety of reasons (not the least of which is the vast number of bounces it produces) there IS a database of all board admins, lists admins, and even list subscribers. It updates as admins and subscribers come and go and change addresses. It isn't something that is used often and another reason why not is that many ISPs would consider such a widely distributed mailing as spam. Joan

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/BF.2ADIAE/1203.1.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.2 Message Board Post: Hi Erika, One time I had the opportunity to talk on the phone to a boss-type person in Rootsweb (very unusual, so I was very pleased). One of the things we discussed was about Admins getting more recognition, and I was told RW & Ancestry hadn't really kept "a list" of all the various volunteers who perform Admin jobs on Boards or Lists. They KNOW we're all there but it isn't like either one has a "master mailing list" for all Admins & our email addresses (and changes to our addys). He commented that the volunteerism role is becoming more recognized as a vital aspect of both services (Ancestry & RW) and they are discussing how they can better keep track of volunteers through a master list of sorts. But this is not in place now. I even pointed out to him over on Ancestry they have a CCC Volunteer Progam (Consumer Contributed Content) with a separate web page that has never been utilized but has been there for several?? years; I signed up there a long, long time ago but there is absolutely nothing to "do" as a volunteer. They realize these deficiencies and hope to someday get volunteers & the valuable work we do and get more aligned with contact and recognition. But that is future. Having said all this, I agree with Joan. If I want Admin info, I sign onto lists, just as if I want the daily news I turn on the TV, buy a paper etc. Judy

Linda Lambert wrote: >I like this feature. Half of my lists have migrated, and I can see that it >saves spam. Will we be able to do this manually after the migration has >finished? I administer all the boards for my mailing lists. > > > Hi Linda That's what we hope. In the past, gatewayed posts came from gc-gateway@rootsweb.com and could be moderated by opening the gateway to the list, but putting the address gc-gateway@rootsweb.com on the Reject List. At present, Mailman is stripping out the gc-gateway@rootsweb.com address and replacing it with the list-bounce address, so there's no way to moderate the board posts. We've been told that when the boards change to the "new and improved" version, this should be fixed. Fingers crossed! Lynne

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/BF.2ADIAE/1203.1.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: If admins (list and/or board) have questions (especially during a time of transition) the general rule of thumb is to subscribe to the admin help lists and ask your questions until you feel confident you have the correct info--that's what I did and that is how I feel confident of the information I can now pass along to my fellow admins. It isn't how you obtain the info that is as important as that you are able to get it--and we are! Joan

In a message dated 9/7/2006 2:13:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, ktlkate@avantek.net writes: How do you put the gateway on moderation? I don't intend to do it, but didn't know you could. Linda Linda- If you list has migrated to the new Mailman software it is automatically on Moderation for now. :) If not, the list will likely migrate very soon. Joan

Marilyn, It is not wrong to let others know there is more then one surname mailing list and more then one surname message board.. Go join their mailing list and exchange info back and forth on the lists.. just have permission from the poster to share the Yahoo message with the rootsweb's lists... and visa versa... Nelda THe more you can share the faster you find relatives... Nelda's websites - http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ yDNA tests for Hurst, Beatty, Gilpin, Graves; all direct male relatives