This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/BF.2ADIAE/1204.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Peter, this board is NOT for complaints by you or any of us that disagree with Rootsweb/Ancestry policy regarding Lists and Board Gateways and you really are not going to convince the powers that be by bringing your complaint to us. This board is for admins to help deal with board management issues and not anything else. There is nothing sinister unless you are paranoid. There is no implying that you are not good enough to handle the gateway. Not everyone gets something just because they want it to be so. By all means take it further..........complain to Ancestry/Rootsweb as Joan suggested.

At 11:16 AM 9/10/2006, you wrote: >Jackie- > >Interesting. I just got completely different results than you did on the >exact same search. <g> > >Experimenting is generally the best way to go about checking to see what a >search engine will do and won't do....but something appears to be very wonky >with the board searches right now... > >O'Connor and o'connor both resulted in only FIFTEEN matches when I did the >search (and board searches are NOT supposed to be case sensitive) so >that would > be correct--however with a search of ALL boards a search of O'Connor was >only turning up results were O"Connor was in the posts--not >O'Connor--weird!!! > >A search of OConnor turned up over 16,000 thousand results including ALL >results for O'Connor, etc. > >Joan > >ate: 9/8/2006 Joan, OOps... DId I forgot to mention I did a Surname-specific search (since we *were* talking about the surnames entry)? :-) Jackie -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.2/442 - Release Date: 9/8/2006

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/BF.2ADIAE/1204.1.1 Message Board Post: I am sorry, but I am not satisfied with that reply. It sounds rather sinister. It also implies that I am not good enough to handle the gateway. I am sorry Joan, I think it stinks of hyprocrisipy This has been going on long enough and Iintend to take it further. Peter McCrae

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/BF.2ADIAE/1204.1 Message Board Post: Peter- This is not an issue your fellow board admins can or should be addressing. This is strictly up to board staff as to whether a specific list and board may be gatewayed and why. Joan

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/BF.2ADIAE/1205.2 Message Board Post: Jon- Take note of whether the problem you are encountering is connected to a banner ad for Darphin or Paris. If so, the problem with the ad has been reported but it wouldn't hurt to also chime in at the HelpDesk to let them know that you, too, are having trouble with this ad. Joan

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/BF.2ADIAE/1205.1 Message Board Post: Rather than asking other admins about the problem (they probably cannot help you) you should report the problem to Rootweb Help Desk yourself.

You are not alone, Sharyn. I have not reported it - this has happened frequently in the past and sometimes they do eventually come in. Like you, I have been getting pending requests, so... I have not reported it, since it's only been two days - thought it would fix itself in a couple days? Marilyn G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharyn Hay" <meow8@verizon.net> Subject: [BAd] No Notifications x2 days > Something is broken again (always on a weekend) and I have now > had 2 days without My Notifications but have had gatewayed posts > pending so know there have been posts. Am I alone? Has anyone > reported this to the Help Desk? > > Regards, > Sharyn > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BOARDS-ADMINS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.2/442 - Release Date: 9/8/2006 > >

I have been getting them in batches. Jan B. -----Original Message----- From: boards-admins-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:boards-admins-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sharyn Hay Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 8:37 AM To: BOARDS-ADMINS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [BAd] No Notifications x2 days Something is broken again (always on a weekend) and I have now had 2 days without My Notifications but have had gatewayed posts pending so know there have been posts. Am I alone? Has anyone reported this to the Help Desk? Regards, Sharyn ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BOARDS-ADMINS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In a message dated 9/10/2006 12:08:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, jaws64@comlinkusa.net writes: I just ran two test searches. Search term: "oconnor" on all boards 5329 results included both "O'Connor" and "OConnor" Search term: "o'connor" on all boards 0 results Jackie Jackie- Interesting. I just got completely different results than you did on the exact same search. <g> Experimenting is generally the best way to go about checking to see what a search engine will do and won't do....but something appears to be very wonky with the board searches right now... O'Connor and o'connor both resulted in only FIFTEEN matches when I did the search (and board searches are NOT supposed to be case sensitive) so that would be correct--however with a search of ALL boards a search of O'Connor was only turning up results were O"Connor was in the posts--not O'Connor--weird!!! A search of OConnor turned up over 16,000 thousand results including ALL results for O'Connor, etc. Joan

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/BF.2ADIAE/1205 Message Board Post: I am having a horrible time navigating around in Rootsweb. Every time I go into a different session, I have like a 30 second (or more) delay. It's almost to to the point of dreading going in to review my messages or trying to help others. I didn't know if it was because there is now more advertising going on in Rootswes or maybe it was because Rootswebs was overhauling their system and updating it ? However, this problem just started happening to me within the last month or so. Can someone tell me what's going on here? I find it hard to believe that I'm the only person that is experiencing this problem. I would say that maybe it's possibly my network provider,but I have had the same server for over a year now and Rootsweb in the only place I'm experiencing this problem. Like I said, it's very frustrating and I'm thinking a lot of people are going to find this problem a big turnoff and go elsewhere to look for, or post their information. I use to be able to zip right thru these different sessions,but that is currently not true. Is Rootsweb aware of this problem ? Is there someone working on it to correct it?

At 07:51 AM 9/10/2006, you wrote: >There's another aspect of this that hasn't been discussed. How does this >affect Ancestry's searches for surnames? > >To put it another way, if the surname on a board posting shows "OConnor", >will the posting show up if someone searches on "O'Connor"? > >Does anyone have any experience with that? >Wilson I just ran two test searches. Search term: "oconnor" on all boards 5329 results included both "O'Connor" and "OConnor" Search term: "o'connor" on all boards 0 results Jackie -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.2/442 - Release Date: 9/8/2006

I haven't reported it, because I didn't notice it until you mentioned it. The rootsweb list migration fiasco has taken much of my time. The last notification I got was on the 7th. Gene At 10:36 AM 9/10/2006, Sharyn Hay wrote: >Something is broken again (always on a weekend) and I have now >had 2 days without My Notifications but have had gatewayed posts >pending so know there have been posts. Am I alone? Has anyone >reported this to the Help Desk? > >Regards, >Sharyn > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BOARDS-ADMINS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/BF.2ADIAE/1204 Message Board Post: Why are the administrators of Rootsweb so insistant that boards and lists should be of the same name when considering a gataeway? I am the admin of the obituary board and of world obits list and I have requested a gateway between the two, and have been refused. The subject matter in both are the same carrying obituaries world wide. The administrators are the same, so there is no objection there. Anyone any ideas Peter McCrae

----- Original Message ----- From: "Beth Perry Johnston" <bpjohnston@charter.net> To: <boards-admins@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 9:02 AM Subject: Re: [BAd] No Notifications x2 days > Gene Philips wrote: > > I haven't reported it, because I didn't notice it until you mentioned it. The rootsweb list migration fiasco has taken much of my time. The last notification I got was on the 7th. > > > > Gene > Same here . . . I hadn't noticed it until Sharyn wrote, and my last > notifications were on the 6th. > > Beth > I have now notified the Help Desk for myself, Beth and George. We have 3 different ISPs so something is awry. Regards, Sharyn

Gene Philips wrote: > I haven't reported it, because I didn't notice it until you mentioned it. The rootsweb list migration fiasco has taken much of my time. The last notification I got was on the 7th. > > Gene Same here . . . I hadn't noticed it until Sharyn wrote, and my last notifications were on the 6th. Beth

In a message dated 9/7/2006 2:16:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Tribehunter@aol.com writes: When cleaning up surnames on the board, do we put the apostrophe in names such as O'Connor, O'Malley, etc?.....or do we leave it out; OConnor, OMalley. Thanks for your help, Marilyn There's another aspect of this that hasn't been discussed. How does this affect Ancestry's searches for surnames? To put it another way, if the surname on a board posting shows "OConnor", will the posting show up if someone searches on "O'Connor"? Does anyone have any experience with that? Wilson

Something is broken again (always on a weekend) and I have now had 2 days without My Notifications but have had gatewayed posts pending so know there have been posts. Am I alone? Has anyone reported this to the Help Desk? Regards, Sharyn

Lauren, WHEW! That was quite a lesson in Irish names! Since I'm completely enchanted with anything Irish (after having watched four seasons of Balleykissangel on PBS, enjoyed all the concerts by the Irish Tenors and at the moment reading "The Princes of Ireland" by Edward Rutherfurd -- to be followed by "The Rebels of Ireland" by the same author) your email was quite interesting reading and my head is spinning a bit from trying to take it all in. :-) I don't think I can ever completely understand it all, but thanks for taking the time to send me the information. I was mainly wondering about the apostrophe because I wanted to type the surnames correctly into the Surname window, and wasn't certain how the search engine worked-- if it picked up the name with the apostrophe or without. I was also advised to spell it the way it was spelled in the body of the message so as to remove all doubt. Thanks again! Marilyn ---------------original message------------- In a message dated 9/8/2006 10:41:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, listsmonster@gmail.com writes: Marilyn --- A little known fact is that the O is actually a separate word in Celtic names. "While the Mac, both in Highland and Irish names, has often become incorporated, the O has generally resisted this. The name Ogilvie is an exception, but even this was formerly written O'Gilvie, and is sometimes found thus written yet. It is said also to be the solitary instance of a Highland O, but, perhaps, if we looked closely, we should find others. In at least one northern Irish name the O has become incorporated into the body of the surname, and changed into an A, viz., 'O'Gnimh,' which was once anglicised 'O'Gneeve,' but now mostly 'Agnew.' In the North the O is pronounced very short and obscure, and this makes the corruption or suppression all the easier. What the O was--what it really meant--used to exercise many foreigners and even some Irishmen greatly, and even yet, though its meaning in Irish is thoroughly known, men are not agreed as to what its true Aryan analogues are. But it is no abbreviation--no preposition--it is like Mac, a full substantive. It is only the modern form of a word which was formerly spelt ua (still so spelt in its literal sense) signifying at first a grandson, and then any remote descendant, as O'Briain (O'Brien), descendant of Brian. In old Irish the word was aue, which would represent a prehistoric Irish *auas or *avas. Now if *auas had lost an initial p--as is the case with many of our Irish words that now begin with a vowel or a liquid--as Ir. athair (father) for *p-athair, iasc (fish) for *p-iasc, lan (full) for *p-lán, etc., we could infer an original *p-auas which might be compared with the Latin puer, poir, and the Greek pais (a boy, a son). " Whilst we should not over meddle with a poster's post, I can see how one would be inclined to "restore" the apostrophe. And based upon the snipped above from an essay regarding Celtic names, very few actually have a combined form when the O rather than the Mac is used. Consider that the poster *should* know how their family names are spelled. Cheers, Lauren

In a message dated 9/9/2006 2:33:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, cageycat@gmail.com writes: I don't agree. If an announcement of free genealogy web sites doesn't belong on Boards, where would they? If it is not commercial, I see no problem. Judy For a one-time only notice I would agree provided that the reference cited in the message is specifically on-topic for the board on which it is posted and that the "ad" isn't broadcast across other boards. I also don't mind a resource being referenced in a reply on a board to a query if that resource is free and helpful to the original poster. Repeated unbidden references to any resource which smacks of advertising I don't consider pertinent to the boards. Joan

In a message dated 9/8/2006 10:27:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, listsmonster@gmail.com writes: However, mention of a yahoo group or other resource as part of a genealogical post would not be cause for removal --- unless it is a commercial site. Yahoo does not fit that category. Cheers, Lauren =============== Hi Lauren, I was mainly concerned about it being a commercial site, but after further investigation, I found out that the group was canceled and the site is no longer available. Thanks for your reply, Marilyn