This is a DEFINITE NO NO. Asking for donations is NOT ALLOWED. ----------------- On 9/30/06, Christi Brogan <christi@broganfamily.org> wrote: > Ok, I don't want to be a hard nose, but I also don't want to seem like > I'm letting something slide that shouldn't... I know commercial posts > are forbidden on the boards, and I also don't allow them on the list, > but would you allow this post since the donations being accepted are for > a DNA study? Or is this crossing the line? Joanne is a subscriber to > the list as well as a posting member on the board, and a member of the -- Kathie Harrison Family Trees Grow with Love Ancestral Whispers http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~irishrose/

At 04:56 PM 9/30/2006, you wrote: >Ok, I don't want to be a hard nose, but I also don't want to seem >like I'm letting something slide that shouldn't... I know commercial posts >are forbidden on the boards, and I also don't allow them on the >list, but would you allow this post since the donations being >accepted are for >a DNA study? Or is this crossing the line? Joanne is a subscriber >to the list as well as a posting member on the board, and a member >of the dna specific list hosted elsewhere, so I do know her and know >her intentions aren't dishonorable, but I don't want to allow this if it >means that she's breaking the AUP nor do I want to seem like any >other commercial posts will be tolerated... What would you do? > >http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/admin.message/an/surnames.calvert/1223 JMO, "solicitating" donations is the same as commercial. Jackie -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.10/459 - Release Date: 9/29/2006

Ok, I don't want to be a hard nose, but I also don't want to seem like I'm letting something slide that shouldn't... I know commercial posts are forbidden on the boards, and I also don't allow them on the list, but would you allow this post since the donations being accepted are for a DNA study? Or is this crossing the line? Joanne is a subscriber to the list as well as a posting member on the board, and a member of the dna specific list hosted elsewhere, so I do know her and know her intentions aren't dishonorable, but I don't want to allow this if it means that she's breaking the AUP nor do I want to seem like any other commercial posts will be tolerated... What would you do? http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/admin.message/an/surnames.calvert/1223 Accepting Donations for DNA from the John Calvert 1689 group. *Author:* Joanne Ikeda <http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=admin.author&r=an&a=oAgXAI&ee=o4Noq0gl50FGr4WKEa78wVMxpCCr_Zij&onok=http%3A%2F%2Fboards.ancestry.com%2Fmbexec%2Fadmin.message%2Fan%2Fsurnames.calvert%2F1223> *Date:* 30 Sep 2006 6:02 PM GMT *Surnames:* Calvert *Classification:* Query Post Reply <http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=admin.postmessage&r=an&p=surnames.calvert&m=1223&onok=http%3A%2F%2Fboards.ancestry.com%2Fmbexec%2Fadmin.message%2Fan%2Fsurnames.calvert%2F1223&oncancel=http%3A%2F%2Fboards.ancestry.com%2Fmbexec%2Fadmin.message%2Fan%2Fsurnames.calvert%2F1223> | Edit Message <http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=admin.editmessage&r=an&p=surnames.calvert&m=1223&onok=http%3A%2F%2Fboards.ancestry.com%2Fmbexec%2Fadmin.message%2Fan%2Fsurnames.calvert%2F1223> | Move Message <http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=admin.movemessage&r=an&p=surnames.calvert&m=1223&onok=http%3A%2F%2Fboards.ancestry.com%2Fmbexec%3Fhtx%3Dadmin.board%26r%3Dan%26p%3Dsurnames.calvert> | Delete Message <http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=admin.deletemessage&r=an&p=surnames.calvert&m=1223&onok=http%3A%2F%2Fboards.ancestry.com%2Fmbexec%3Fhtx%3Dadmin.board%26r%3Dan%26p%3Dsurnames.calvert> | Mark Unread <http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?f=markmessage&r=an&p=surnames.calvert&m=1223&v=0&onok=http%3A%2F%2Fboards.ancestry.com%2Fmbexec%3Fhtx%3Dadmin.board%26r%3Dan%26p%3Dsurnames.calvert> Report Abuse <http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=admin.requestobjection&r=an&p=surnames.calvert&m=1223&onok=http%3A%2F%2Fboards.ancestry.com%2Fmbexec%2Fadmin.message%2Fan%2Fsurnames.calvert%2F1223> Print Message <http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=admin.printmessage&r=an&p=surnames.calvert&m=1223&onok=http%3A%2F%2Fboards.ancestry.com%2Fmbexec%3Fhtx%3Dadmin.message%26r%3Dan%26p%3Dsurnames.calvert> Needed at this time are donations to help a male Calvert to participate in the DNA for the Calvert line of John Calvert 1689. We have the person we need more funds. I would appreciate you contacting me with any amount you can donate. Several of us feel it is important to have this DNA testing to help our line of Calverts. If this male Calvert's DNA proves to be in the John Calvert 1689 line we have a new group of Calverts to add to our Calvert history. Thank you, Joanne Crawford Ikeda j.ikeda@comcast.net Thanks! _Christi

On the first page of posts, click Next. Then look at the URL for =25. Change it to whatever number and click go on the browser. I have luck up to about 625 posts but you can try higher - or lower. On 9/29/06, Joan Asche <jasche45133@gmail.com> wrote: > > Awhile back someone posted a link that would access more than the > usual number of posts which was very handy for board cleaning. Could > that link please be posted again. > > Thanks, > > Joan Asche > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BOARDS-ADMINS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- ~PRIMARY NAMES: ANTHONY, BAKER, FLOWERS, LANE, SEPTER~ Washington Co PA free Websites: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~florian http://freepages.family.rootsweb.com/~florian County Coordinator for http://www.rootsweb.com/~pawashin/ Researchers of Washington County PA, join our map: http://www.frappr.com/researchingwashingtoncopa

Awhile back someone posted a link that would access more than the usual number of posts which was very handy for board cleaning. Could that link please be posted again. Thanks, Joan Asche

Thanks Lynne! Message was sent and now I sit back patiently and wait.. :-) Val -------------- Original message -------------- From: lklein@mindspring.com > Hi Valeria > > > To request that a board be gatewayed, write to > messageboards@rootsweb.com and state that you'd like the board gatewayed > to the list and that you're the admin of both. >

Thanks Joan, yes I admin both the board and list. Have a good day! Valeria -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Joan Asche" <jasche45133@gmail.com> > Send an email to messageboards@rootsweb.com > > Do you also admin the mailing list? If not have you contacted the list > admin? In order for the gateway to be open both the list and board > admin must be in agreement. If the list admin agrees forward that > email along with your request to messageboards@rootsweb.com > > Joan Asche >

I tried to go to the boards help desk and submit a request to have one of my boards gatewayed to the same surname list. I admin both. I keep getting an error message when I hit the submit button. Is there another way to ask them to gateway the board? This is the error message I keep getting. Maybe I am doing something wrong. The page cannot be displayed The page you are looking for cannot be displayed because an invalid method (HTTP verb) was used to attempt access. Please try the following: Contact the Web site administrator if you believe that this request should be allowed. Make sure that the Web site address displayed in the address bar of your browser is spelled and formatted correctly. HTTP Error 405 - The HTTP verb used to access this page is not allowed. Internet Information Services (IIS) Sincerely, Valeria

Valeria wrote: >I tried to go to the boards help desk and submit a request to have one of my boards gatewayed to the same surname list. <snip> > Hi Valeria To request that a board be gatewayed, write to messageboards@rootsweb.com and state that you'd like the board gatewayed to the list and that you're the admin of both. As for the Help Desk form, it doesn't work for me, either. I understand from msgs on the LO list that firewalls may be preventing the form from working properly. :-( Lynne

Send an email to messageboards@rootsweb.com Do you also admin the mailing list? If not have you contacted the list admin? In order for the gateway to be open both the list and board admin must be in agreement. If the list admin agrees forward that email along with your request to messageboards@rootsweb.com Joan Asche On 9/29/06, Valeria <ladygenes@comcast.net> wrote: > I tried to go to the boards help desk and submit a request to have one of my boards gatewayed to the same surname list. I admin both. I keep getting an error message when I hit the submit button. Is there another way to ask them to gateway the board? This is the error message I keep getting. Maybe I am doing something wrong. > > The page cannot be displayed > The page you are looking for cannot be displayed because an invalid method (HTTP verb) was used to attempt access. > > > Please try the following: > Contact the Web site administrator if you believe that this request should be allowed. > Make sure that the Web site address displayed in the address bar of your browser is spelled and formatted correctly. > HTTP Error 405 - The HTTP verb used to access this page is not allowed. > Internet Information Services (IIS) > > Sincerely, > Valeria > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BOARDS-ADMINS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

In a message dated 9/27/2006 9:02:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, harrison28@gmail.com writes: Why would any volunteer list admin need to or want to spend the money on attorney consultation? That is ridiculous. If there really was a question of copyright infringement on a board or list (brought to our attention as admins by the copyright holder) referring the issue to the HelpDesk, if in doubt, would be a proper recourse--as they can contact the legal dept. at Ancestry if need be. However, most of these cases are not infringement--there is no infringement where copying of facts is concerned--facts can't be owned or copyrighted. Joan

I meant to say BOARD & LIST ADMINS. On 9/27/06, Kathie Harrison <harrison28@gmail.com> wrote: > Why would any volunteer list admin need to or want to spend the money > on attorney consultation? That is ridiculous. There are already BOARD > rules in place. Personal attacks on lists and message boards are not > up for a vote. They are violations of TOS. The admin should delete > these posts and LET THE DATA stay on the boards. Post a link to > COPYRIGHT websites and the COPYRIGHT list privately and NOT on the > message board. Your job is not to referee these people but to make > sure the rules are followed and in worst case scenario contact the > HELP DESK. JMHO > -- Kathie Harrison Family Trees Grow with Love Ancestral Whispers http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~irishrose/

Why would any volunteer list admin need to or want to spend the money on attorney consultation? That is ridiculous. There are already BOARD rules in place. Personal attacks on lists and message boards are not up for a vote. They are violations of TOS. The admin should delete these posts and LET THE DATA stay on the boards. Post a link to COPYRIGHT websites and the COPYRIGHT list privately and NOT on the message board. Your job is not to referee these people but to make sure the rules are followed and in worst case scenario contact the HELP DESK. JMHO On 9/27/06, igoldendoodle <deedee@ablewise.com> wrote: > I think you should consult an attorney with regards to the matter, however, the ancestry.com is about posting geneology info and I don't think it violates the information. From what I remember about copyright infringements, I don't believe posting someone's name or info that is already available with the general public and passed from one family member to another infringes upon any copyright. > But to be on the safe side, I'd look into it. > > > > > --- janetmoore@prodigy.net wrote: > > From: janetmoore@prodigy.net > To: BOARDS-ADMINS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [BAd] Problem Posts > Date: 27 Sep 2006 13:36:17 -0600 > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/BF.2ADIAE/1211 > > Message Board Post: > > I have some people who are having an internet vendetta. "Author" has written a family surname book and is trying to prevent other family researchers from posting anything about the family and claiming copyright violations. Several other family members are posting genealogical information to the boards which "Author" responds to with a nasty post of her own then lodges complaints to the board administrator (me) and Rootsweb. I am getting complaints from both sides of the issue and I don't want to choose sides since I have no idea who is right or wrong so I have been deleting both posts. I hate to do this since the genealogical information is probably valuable to many people but if I don't handle the situation quickly it will escalate. These folks have been flaming each other for months now on the surname boards and have now carried it over to one of the county boards that I administer. I would appreciate any advice! > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BOARDS-ADMINS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BOARDS-ADMINS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Kathie Harrison Family Trees Grow with Love Ancestral Whispers http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~irishrose/

Facts themselves -- birthdates, marriages, deaths, etc. -- are not copyrightable. "Author" can complain all she likes, but that doesn't change the law. Without seeing the posts in question, my feeling is to (of course) delete any "nasty" posts, from "Author" or anyone else; and leave posts with genuine genealogical information. I'd send one, and only one, email to "Author" pointing out that facts aren't copyrightable, and telling her that any nasty, off-topic, or threatening posts will be deleted. Nan -----Original Message----- >From: janetmoore@prodigy.net >Sent: Sep 27, 2006 2:36 PM >To: BOARDS-ADMINS-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [BAd] Problem Posts > >This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > >Classification: Query > >Message Board URL: > >http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/BF.2ADIAE/1211 > >Message Board Post: > >I have some people who are having an internet vendetta. "Author" has written a family surname book and is trying to prevent other family researchers from posting anything about the family and claiming copyright violations. Several other family members are posting genealogical information to the boards which "Author" responds to with a nasty post of her own then lodges complaints to the board administrator (me) and Rootsweb. I am getting complaints from both sides of the issue and I don't want to choose sides since I have no idea who is right or wrong so I have been deleting both posts. I hate to do this since the genealogical information is probably valuable to many people but if I don't handle the situation quickly it will escalate. These folks have been flaming each other for months now on the surname boards and have now carried it over to one of the county boards that I administer. I would appreciate any advice! > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BOARDS-ADMINS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/BF.2ADIAE/1211.1.1 Message Board Post: I'd post one time a copy of Acceptable Use with the no personal attacks portion. And state that any/all posts will be deleted without notice or further discussion. You shouldn't have to be put in the middle between posters. On the subject of copyright... names and dates are NOT under copyright regardless of who found the date first or who figured out first that the name was in some record spelled some other way. I would include this fact in your one-time post. Include a link to a good genealogy copyright discussion page-- or to the List that discusses copyright issues. And again say that any replies that personally attacks over who owns dates or facts will be deleted except if the post is in the spirit of genealogical discussion. IF the author still clicks report abuse, deal with those without comment to "author". That is how I would handle it. Put your post on both boards (re-worded so it isn't duplicate). Judy

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/BF.2ADIAE/1211.1 Message Board Post: Janet- You say the author has has contacted RootsWeb (who has he contacted--the HelpDesk?). If so, what did the HelpDesk tell him? Probably that facts cannot be copyrighted and that he doesn't have a leg to stand on--unless you know for a fact that the HelpDesk told him there were copyright violations on the boards or lists that needed to be removed--then don't remove the posts--but DO remove his attacks in reply to the posts. Personal attacks are not permitted on RootsWeb boards/lists. For your general information: Facts such as names, dates, and places CANNOT be copyrighted by anyone--they can be discovered but discovery of a fact doesn't allow you to copyright it. As for a book--you can copyright a book as a collective work--but you cannot copyright the facts or family relationships included in that book. If there is some unique formatting or organization or original notes included in the book that the author created this MAY be copyrighted--but not the facts themselves. Perhaps the above guidelines will give you a better understanding as to whether or not there has been any copyright infringement. If you would like to learn more on the subject, you can subscribe and post a query to: COPYRIGHT@rootsweb.com . If you would prefer to be left out of the argument, suggest your author making the claims subscribe to the COPYRIGHT list and get the facts straight. I would NOT allow arguing to continue on any of my lists or boards--just state flat out that you won't remove the genealogical info (other than private notes and original text from the book if any of that was posted on the lists or boards by others). Small selections from the book may also be copied to lists/boards giving attribution to the author under "Fair Use" even if the content being copied is copyrightable. And ALL factual info can be copied by anyone. People don't own their ancestors and cannot copyright them. Joan

I think you should consult an attorney with regards to the matter, however, the ancestry.com is about posting geneology info and I don't think it violates the information. From what I remember about copyright infringements, I don't believe posting someone's name or info that is already available with the general public and passed from one family member to another infringes upon any copyright. But to be on the safe side, I'd look into it. --- janetmoore@prodigy.net wrote: From: janetmoore@prodigy.net To: BOARDS-ADMINS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [BAd] Problem Posts Date: 27 Sep 2006 13:36:17 -0600 This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/BF.2ADIAE/1211 Message Board Post: I have some people who are having an internet vendetta. "Author" has written a family surname book and is trying to prevent other family researchers from posting anything about the family and claiming copyright violations. Several other family members are posting genealogical information to the boards which "Author" responds to with a nasty post of her own then lodges complaints to the board administrator (me) and Rootsweb. I am getting complaints from both sides of the issue and I don't want to choose sides since I have no idea who is right or wrong so I have been deleting both posts. I hate to do this since the genealogical information is probably valuable to many people but if I don't handle the situation quickly it will escalate. These folks have been flaming each other for months now on the surname boards and have now carried it over to one of the county boards that I administer. I would appreciate any advice! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BOARDS-ADMINS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/BF.2ADIAE/1211 Message Board Post: I have some people who are having an internet vendetta. "Author" has written a family surname book and is trying to prevent other family researchers from posting anything about the family and claiming copyright violations. Several other family members are posting genealogical information to the boards which "Author" responds to with a nasty post of her own then lodges complaints to the board administrator (me) and Rootsweb. I am getting complaints from both sides of the issue and I don't want to choose sides since I have no idea who is right or wrong so I have been deleting both posts. I hate to do this since the genealogical information is probably valuable to many people but if I don't handle the situation quickly it will escalate. These folks have been flaming each other for months now on the surname boards and have now carried it over to one of the county boards that I administer. I would appreciate any advice!

> I am trying to contact a couple of Board administrators to request their > posts be gatewayed to my lists, but when I click on Links and Announcements, I > get a blank page. In the lower left hand corner, it says "loading page" or > something to that effect, then finally "done", but remains blank. > > Does this mean something is wrong or are these boards up for adoption? > >

Turn off your ad blocking or popup blocking and see if that fixes things. -----Original Message----- From: boards-admins-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:boards-admins-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Cbarbraj@wmconnect.com Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 11:09 AM To: BOARDS-ADMINS@rootsweb.com Subject: [BAd] Links and Announcements I am trying to contact a couple of Board administrators to request their posts be gatewayed to my lists, but when I click on Links and Announcements, I get a blank page. In the lower left hand corner, it says "loading page" or something to that effect, then finally "done", but remains blank. Does this mean something is wrong or are these boards up for adoption? Thanks.