Exactly my point. His posts are a link to information and old photos of schools. That is very definitely history related and so has something to do with family history. See what I have on Lancaster County Nebraska Schools and tell me that this is not genealogy related. I have been doing this a long time and this guy is not profiting from his collection of information and photos. I think removing his posts if they are on topic for a particular county is doing a disservice to those researchers who may also have TEACHERS in their family tree. http://lancaster.ancestralwhispers.com/ http://lancaster.ancestralwhispers.com/schools/index.htm On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 7:19 PM, singhals <[email protected]> wrote: > I can agree with that. I wouldn't mind having a picture of > the one-roomer my GM taught in for a couple years; I do have > a class photo, but it doesn't show the building itself. For > that matter I wouldn't object to having a photo of the > school I first attended ... by the time I was in 2nd grade > they had closed it and opened the new building. > > It may not be "genealogy" but it sure would count as "family > history". > > Cheryl > > > Dr. Nancy wrote: > > > Seems to me it's a sad loss of information to delete those posts. You > > never know what else Aaron may know about the schools and their people. > > I have a friend who is quite knowledgeable about one room schoolhouses > > in our area. It's amazing what else she knows about the people and > > communities connected to those buildings. > > > > I don't understand what the objection is. FWIW, a dissertation or > > thesis is not a venture for profit! > > > > Nancy > > > > > > --- "David E. Cann" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >>Kathie, > >> > >>Because I read the posts before I removed them, and as I indicated in > >>my > > > > -- > There should be no attachments on this message, unless I > specifically mentioned them above. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Take care, Kathie Harrison NE-GEN-SOCIETIES List Admin http://whispers.ancestralwhispers.com/ne-gen-societies/index.htm

In a message dated 3/7/2008 4:49:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time I understand that the ocjection didn't give a reason It sounds like the reason for the objection was left blank -------------------------------------- Tilman and Lynne, I looked back at my post and realized I didn't put the reason for the objection. I got the same reason that Nan did: << that these messages were off-topic because they're architectural, not genealogy, >> Marilyn **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001)

Actually, the objections I received said that these messages were off-topic because they're architectural, not genealogy, and that he had posted a number of other similar messages on other boards. All of which is, technically, true. But he does tailor the message to the county board, and it's true that genealogy researchers may know about and/or be interested in those schools. A quick look at his website doesn't reveal any commercial motive. The "worst" possible interpretation I can come up with is that he's making his master's thesis a group project. But if that's OK with his faculty advisor . . . I guess now we're up to 4 cents worth, Tilman. :-) Nan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tilman Brandl" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 9:00 AM Subject: Re: [BAd] Something Wrong with this Post? > Marilyn, > > I understand that the ocjection didn't give a reason ... ? > > The only thing that comes to my mind is a question: Is this post > genealogical by nature, or not? > > There's probably nothing wrong with these messages, only that they > could've > come from a realtor. > > Just my 2 ct worth ... > > Tilman >

Hi Marilyn You know what they say about opinions -- everybody's got one (especially on this list!). ;-) It sounds like the reason for the objection was left blank. If you're curious about why the objection was made, you could always write to the person who made the objection and ask why the objection was made. If you're not positive if the post is appropriate for your board, just ask staff to decide. Best wishes, Lynne

Marilyn, I understand that the ocjection didn't give a reason ... ? The only thing that comes to my mind is a question: Is this post genealogical by nature, or not? There's probably nothing wrong with these messages, only that they could've come from a realtor. Just my 2 ct worth ... Tilman ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 2:46 PM Subject: [BAd] Something Wrong with this Post? >I received an objection this morning for this post on my Allen County, OH > board: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.ohio.counties.allen/1 > 714/mb.ashx > > Over the last few months, I've seen these posts across several of my Ohio > county boards, but each one is board specific, in that the poster names > schools > that are in that specific county. > > I don't see anything wrong with the post, in fact I found it quite > interesting. > > Can anyone tell me what's wrong with it? > > Thanks, > Marilyn >

Who said it hasn't been? The dozen or so I removed this morning were all in my objections, so were reported to REPORT ABUSE, but I only removed my own objections. I also reported a number of them myself as a board user, and I assume others have as well, though I removed them myself as Board Admin where they were my own boards. David E. Cann [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Kathie Harrison Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 3:46 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BAd] Something Wrong with this Post? OK then why is it not getting reported to STAFF? <snip>

In a message dated 3/7/2008 3:46:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: OK then why is it not getting reported to STAFF? --------------------------------- Evidently it was, when I posted my first message this morning, but I didn't know that. I've had the posts sitting on my boards since last Sept. and I thought they were okay. **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001)

In a message dated 3/7/2008 3:40:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: FWIW, the count is now much higher because he is still going strong as I write this. David E. Cann ------------------------------- I was told this morning that there were 190 posts, but I actually see 156 and 41 of those are replies so it actually looks like the count is down. **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001)

In a message dated 3/7/2008 3:32:40 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: How does David know this person is gathering info for a thesis? ------------------------ If you click on the "View Posts" link, he's posted comparable messages on many county boards but adapted the message individually to the county where he posts. On some of them he mentions that he's gathering information for his Master's Degree. Here's an example: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.ohio.counties.wayne/1 192/mb.ashx **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001)

Kathie, Because I read the posts before I removed them, and as I indicated in my original post he clearly states so in many of his message bodies, which appears to me to be a pretty good indication. :-) FWIW, the count is now much higher because he is still going strong as I write this. David E. Cann [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Kathie Harrison Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 3:32 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BAd] Something Wrong with this Post? <snip>How does David know this person is gathering info for a thesis?<snip>

In a message dated 3/7/2008 12:33:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: 3. Our opinions aside, by the author's own admission they ARE NOT INTENDED AS GENEALOGY, BUT TO GATHER INFORMATION AND RESEARCH FOR HIS MASTER'S THESIS. 4. The purpose and topic of the boards are to seek help and gather GENEALOGY information relative to the respective counties, and the author's own words clearly state his purpose is PERSONAL GAIN, or specifically a Master's thesis having nothing to do with genealogy. --------------------------- Given the statements above, my observation is that people use the message boards for various reasons ( searching for old high school chum, to make contact with an old military buddie, etc.) Those types of posts aren't about genealogy either. Should we then be deleting those posts too ? Unless a person is specifically posting a message for illegal or harassment reasons, working on a Master's Thesis shouldn't be a reason to remove messages IMHO, especially when the man is providing some historical county information at his web site. Marilyn **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001)

OK then why is it not getting reported to STAFF? I have sent by email the links to MANY posts made by Rich GREEN who has mass posted again over the last 3 months to HUNDREDS of STATE/COUNTY boards for several states and they removed them ALL immediately. When those kids of post happen, it is far more effective to have staff delete them all. Elaine has sent me thank you notes when I have sent abuse notes to [email protected] On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 2:40 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > In a message dated 3/7/2008 3:32:40 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > How does David know this person > is gathering info for a thesis? > ------------------------ > If you click on the "View Posts" link, he's posted comparable messages on > many county boards > but adapted the message individually to the county where he posts. > On some of them he mentions that he's gathering information for his Master's > Degree. Here's > an example: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.ohio.counties.wayne/1 > 192/mb.ashx > > > > > **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & > Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Take care, Kathie Harrison NE-GEN-SOCIETIES List Admin http://whispers.ancestralwhispers.com/ne-gen-societies/index.htm

Not as long as they can be moved to LOST FAMILY AND FRIENDS, a MILITARY board or another TOPIC board. How does David know this person is gathering info for a thesis? Did he ask him about his post? Is this a case of mind reading? We have lots of very good websites on USGenWeb Project that deals with history of schools, occupations, etc and they are very much genealogy related. So how is this any different? If the post is about schools then it belongs on a board for that topic. Seems simple enough to me. On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 2:18 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > In a message dated 3/7/2008 12:33:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > 3. Our opinions aside, by the author's own admission they ARE NOT INTENDED > AS GENEALOGY, BUT TO GATHER INFORMATION AND RESEARCH FOR HIS MASTER'S > THESIS. > > 4. The purpose and topic of the boards are to seek help and gather > GENEALOGY information relative to the respective counties, and the author's > own words clearly state his purpose is PERSONAL GAIN, or specifically a > Master's thesis having nothing to do with genealogy. > > > --------------------------- > Given the statements above, my observation is that people use the message > boards for various reasons ( searching for old high school chum, to make > contact with an old military buddie, etc.) Those types of posts aren't about > genealogy either. Should we then be deleting those posts too ? > > Unless a person is specifically posting a message for illegal or harassment > reasons, > working on a Master's Thesis shouldn't be a reason to remove messages IMHO, > especially when the man is providing some historical county information at > his web site. > > Marilyn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & > Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Take care, Kathie Harrison NE-GEN-SOCIETIES List Admin http://whispers.ancestralwhispers.com/ne-gen-societies/index.htm

Seems to me it's a sad loss of information to delete those posts. You never know what else Aaron may know about the schools and their people. I have a friend who is quite knowledgeable about one room schoolhouses in our area. It's amazing what else she knows about the people and communities connected to those buildings. I don't understand what the objection is. FWIW, a dissertation or thesis is not a venture for profit! Nancy --- "David E. Cann" <[email protected]> wrote: > Kathie, > > Because I read the posts before I removed them, and as I indicated in > my ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping

Marilyn- I don't see anything wrong with it either as long as the posts are customized for each board and are relevant to the board where posted...what was the reason the person was objecting? It's a judgment call as to whether the post is genealogical in nature but the info COULD prove helpful to genealogists--so I'd leave it unless the poster requests its removal--which I don't think is the case here. Just because Susie Board Police files an objection on your board doesn't mean that Susie is right...if she is, then take whatever action is indicated...but you are perfectly within your rights as admin where a judgment call is in order to overrule Susie and discard her objection. Usually when I do this I contact the objector privately (their email address is on the objection) to let them my reason for disagreeing and not accepting their objection. I had an objection not long ago where the objector felt a post would be "better suited" to another board and objected asking me to most the post--possibly it WOULD have been better suited to the other boards...but the post WAS relevant to the board it was on and the poster had made the decision to post it THERE and not the other board--and that IS the poster's option as I explained to the objector. To me, this was a frivolous objection and not worthy of my time or attention. Joan ------------ I don't see anything wrong with the post, in fact I found it quite interesting. Can anyone tell me what's wrong with it? Thanks, Marilyn **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001)

Hi, Tammy- While it isn't against any board admin rules for the admin to post informative posts ON their board, and while I also agree with you that researchers would get the most out of reading both the LIST and the BAORD, but--I'd recommend that you NOT post any board admin notices on the board. I've cleaned up many a board I've adopted where a prior admin had done this and those admin notices are seldom read by the people who need the information most and soon become old and clutter up the board with what really are off-topic posts for the board subject matter--they are administrative in nature. I've had to remove these admin notices from boards where the admin is no longer the admin! You can't really worry about the list admin not wanting to open the gateway--just make your board accessible and useable to anyone who wants to conduct their on-topic research there. Joan --------- Would it be considered against the rules if I made a post on the County Message Board that I am the administer of and mention to the posters that it may be a good idea to join the mailing list for the same county? The admin for the county does not want the two connected through a gateway and I sincerely believe that having the people who utilize the two may find it beneficial if they could just connect together with their searches. I don't want to do anything that would be considered against the rules though. Any input? Thank you for your time... Tammy **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001)

Marilyn, Based on past experience with this list and a few of my opinionated (including myself here!) fellow Board Admins, this string IMHO is going to be one of those that go on and on. . . .raising more questions than it answers, and in the end doing little more than demonstrating the fact that we all have our opinions, and those opinions do not very often mesh very well from a board policy point of view. That being said, before this string really gets going, please let me share a few things (yes, just my OPINION, just like everyone else) about THIS SPECIFIC SITUATION before I go back to my boards. 1. These posts are all similar in nature, and in most cases nearly identical wording. 2. These posts are CROSS-POSTED on numerous boards across Ohio, typically all in the same time period, and all similar in nature. 3. Our opinions aside, by the author's own admission they ARE NOT INTENDED AS GENEALOGY, BUT TO GATHER INFORMATION AND RESEARCH FOR HIS MASTER'S THESIS. 4. The purpose and topic of the boards are to seek help and gather GENEALOGY information relative to the respective counties, and the author's own words clearly state his purpose is PERSONAL GAIN, or specifically a Master's thesis having nothing to do with genealogy. Now then, my own personal comment here as Admin of the Ohio statewide board as well as several counties before I drop out of this string before it gets out of control on this list (again). Yesterday, I removed (yes, DELETED) a small handful of these posts from some of my boards as I noticed them appear, since IMHO they are inappropriate by a reasonable standard. This morning, I woke up to NINETEEN OBJECTIONS, nearly all of which were this very poster. I have just finished removing (yes, REMOVING) them all, as well as a few responses to them that have subsequently been posted. I am about to go back and search for more, to (I hope) point out to this poster that his posts are at best inappropriate and at worst could be defined as cross-posting and/or even spam. I am all for doing whatever I am able to do to help anyone with personal research, whether genealogical in nature or not, but IMHO this is simply inappropriate for the RootsWeb boards on more than one count. Just my opinion. Now I am out of this topic string (either ON this list or OFF of it, please), and am going back and see how many more such posts need to be cleaned out. David E. Cann [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 8:46 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [BAd] Something Wrong with this Post? I received an objection this morning for this post on my Allen County, OH board: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.ohio.counties.allen /1 714/mb.ashx Over the last few months, I've seen these posts across several of my Ohio county boards, but each one is board specific, in that the poster names schools that are in that specific county. I don't see anything wrong with the post, in fact I found it quite interesting. Can anyone tell me what's wrong with it? Thanks, Marilyn

In a message dated 3/7/2008 11:20:25 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: I looked at the website. It is architectural in nature, not genealogical. --------------------------------- Lauren, No offense intended towards you, but now I'm really confused. It doesn't seem architectural to me. It seems to me that the poster is cataloging and collecting pictures of old school buildings around the states and he only asks questions about the schools in that specific county. I often have posts on my county boards that ask about a certain old building or school at the corner of such-and-such street and now I'm wondering if I should have been deleting those posts? I remember Joan saying that one can post the same message on different boards as long as the message is not a carbon copy. The message should be worded to apply to that specific board and that's what this poster did. Since these posts have been sitting there for a couple months, I thought staff would have removed them if there was a problem with them. They still seem legit to me and I would hate to see them go. Marilyn ---- who is sitting in Ohio, looking out the window while the biggest snow storm of the winter hits us......and the county road department is running out of salt. :-( Possibly 15 inches by tomorrow morning. **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001)

Would it be considered against the rules if I made a post on the County Message Board that I am the administer of and mention to the posters that it may be a good idea to join the mailing list for the same county? The admin for the county does not want the two connected through a gateway and I sincerely believe that having the people who utilize the two may find it beneficial if they could just connect together with their searches. I don't want to do anything that would be considered against the rules though. Any input? Thank you for your time... Tammy

The post look legit to me, and I agree that his website would be very interesting to people who used to attend these schools. Unless the objector has some specific information about the person, I would let it stay. I am a new administrator, so I don't know if people have to give a reason for their objection or not.... Vic **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001)