CORRECTION: In my pervious post: I have found that the first census project was using the name "Archives Census Project" as far back as 9 Mar ****1977*** (should read 1997) and continued using that name until 28 Nov 1998, just as Linda Lewis has said. You will note that the time period covers both pre and post Bylaws. Kay Mason instructed Holly Timm to change the name on the project pages prior to 28 Nov 1998. Kay made the following announcement on 28 Nov 1998: RootsLady (aka) Barbara Yancey Dore ----- Original Message ----- From: RootsLady <RootsLady@email.msn.com> To: USGENWEB-ALL-L <USGENWEB-ALL-L@rootsweb.com>; <USGENWEB-DISCUSS-L@rootsweb.com>; <usgw-cc-l@usgennet.com>; <BOARD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 4:11 PM Subject: Kay Mason Changes Name of Census Project to "fit" Bylaws > Listmembers, > > Anyone who knows me very well knows I like to see things in black & white, > not gray. Having researched for nearly 30 years I know things are not always > as they might seem and the only way to clarify is to keep digging out little > pieces to the puzzle until one can get a clearer picture of things. When Tim > delinked the CP, I had heard bits and pieces of the 2-sided story. I've been > digging since that day. I have amassed quite a collection in related emails, > list archives, web pages, etc. I have about 1/3 to 1/2 of it online already. > I am beginning to get the feeling that both sides in this issue have been > somewhat duped. I'll not go into great detail right this moment but do want > to share a couple of things I have discovered in this morning's early hours. > > I have found that the first census project was using the name "Archives > Census Project" as far back as 9 Mar 1977 and continued using that name > until 28 Nov 1998, just as Linda Lewis has said. You will note that the time > period covers both pre and post Bylaws. Kay Mason instructed Holly Timm to > change the name on the project pages prior to 28 Nov 1998. Kay made the > following announcement on 28 Nov 1998: > > >Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 11:48:10 -0800 (PST) > >From: "Kay Mason" <kmfkm@ptw.com> > >Old-To: Census-L@rootsweb.com > >Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 11:46:28 -0800 > >Reply-to: kmfkm@ptw.com > >Priority: normal > >X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) > >Subject: [CENSUS-L] Census Archives > >To: CENSUS-L@rootsweb.com > >Resent-From: CENSUS-L@rootsweb.com > >X-Mailing-List: <CENSUS-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/1881 > >X-Loop: CENSUS-L@rootsweb.com > >Resent-Sender: CENSUS-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > >We've made a couple of changes in our pages lately. > > > >In order to conform to the USGenWeb Project Bylaws, we've > >changed the name on our pages to "The USGenWeb Census > >Project". > > > >Many of you have asked us how to find our Project's > >transcriptions.. to make it easier for you, and for researchers, > >we've started loading all of our transciptions to a special > >USGenWeb Census Project Archive at: > > > >http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgwcens/ > > > >We don't have all of the completed files there yet, but we're working > >on it! > > > >Of course, the completed transcriptions are also still going to the > >USGenWeb Archives. > > > >Thank you, > > > >Kay Mason > >National Coordinator > > > >USGenWeb Census Project > >http://www.usgenweb.org/census/ > >http://www.usgenweb.com/census > >http://www.usgenweb.net/census/ > > > > > >==== CENSUS Mailing List ==== > >Census Help Pages and other important Census Project information at; > >http://www.usgenweb.org/census/info/ > >This list is generously provided by Rootsweb > >http://www.rootsweb.com > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > -------------------- > > Kay wrote: > >In order to conform to the USGenWeb Project Bylaws, we've > >changed the name on our pages to "The USGenWeb Census > >Project". > > Now that does throw a whole different slant on all the proclamations flying > about the various mail lists over the last week or so. > > Several people including, Linda Lewis, Sue Soden, Holly Timm were still > using the name "Archives Census Project" into the fall of 1998 and at least > a couple of months after the adopting of the Bylaws. But guess what else, > Kay Mason herself last used that project name on or about 28 May 1998 as far > as I have been able to determine. Kay's personal change came about just > about the time the bylaws committee was working the proposed bylaws to be > voted on from 1 Jul 1998 until 31 Jul 1998. > > I have uncovered several other discrepancies in some of the things that Kay > Mason proclaimed to be the truth, including Dr. Brian Leverich correcting a > false statement that Kay had posted to the Census project mail lists shortly > after closing those same lists and making them unsearchable. But there are > many people who do remember and some who still have copies of some of those > messages. > > I am beginning to think that most everyone of both sides of these issues has > taken the word of someone else to be truth without the evidence to back up > those statements in some instances. This reminds me of about one-half of the > family on one of my surname lines.... everyone seems to want to be the > descendant of a particular Revolunationary Soldier .... and not matter how > much one group says "it just ain't so" the other side digs in their heels > and proclaims to the world that he is indeed an ancestor without much proof > and much contradicting documentation. > > It may very well be that both sides FULLY believe in what they are saying, > but the black and white FACTS have not been presented in such a way as to > convince the opposite side to alter their thinking or views. > > RootsLady (aka) Barbara Yancey Dore > > >