Maggie, I agree that the logos and captions on the www.usgennet.org/usgenweb.html page are confusing and misleading, but why assume that there is an intent to inflict harm? Wouldn't it be much better "public relations" to assume that any confusion is unintentional, and that USGenNet wishes our project well? Why not just ask nicely that the confusing wording and logos be changed, without getting blustery? Something like this, ********** The Advisory Board of The USGenWeb Project would like to draw your attention to some confusing and misleading aspects of your index page at http://www.usgennet.org/usgenweb.html , and ask for your prompt help in addressing these problems. 1. The term "the Nonprofit USGenWeb Project" as used on this page, with "Nonprofit" capitalized, would appear to an uniformed reader to be the name of a project. While The USGenWeb Project is indeed a nonprofit organization, the word "Nonprofit" does not occur in the project's name. The usage on your index page is therefore confusing and could very easily mislead readers into thinking there are two separate projects, one being named "the Nonprofit USGenWeb Project", and the other being named simply "The USGenWeb Project". To avoid such confusing, we ask that you please refer to the project only by its official name, The USGenWeb Project. (A lowercase "nonprofit" is acceptable, as long as it does not appear to be part of the project name.) 2. Similarly, to use the name of the USGenWeb Project on a logo which is very different than the official USGenWeb Project logo could easily confuse visitors into thinking that there are two separate organizations, one that is identified by the logo that appears on the USGenWeb pages, and a different project that is identified by the logo that appears on the USGenNet index page. The name of the USGenWeb Project should only appear on graphics which have been approved for use by the USGenWeb Advisory Board: http://www.usgenweb.org/volunteers/namelogo.html We appreciate your support for the USGenWeb Project, and trust you will act quickly to correct these misleading aspects of your index page. ********** The confusing "peppermint patty" logos did not appear on the USGenNet site until Tim asked them to remove the real logos. We should give USGenNet permission to use the real USGenWeb logos to link to the USGenWeb Project, just like Rootsweb does on its cluster pages. Rootsweb and USGenNet are both web presence providers that generously provide free web space for USGenWeb project pages; it is very unfair to treat the organizations differently, when they both support us with free services. It is looking a gift horse in the mouth. I have been a Rootsweb Donor for three years: http://www.rootsweb.com/~donors/dplus00.html ($250) http://www.rootsweb.com/~donors/donor99c.html#P ($200) http://www.rootsweb.com/~donors/donor98c.html#P ($100) and have a "We love Rootsweb" button on my county site: http://www.best.com/~tpettit/rowan/rowan-team.html but I don't think that appreciation for Rootsweb requires us to treat any other servers like they are some kind of enemy of the Project. To jump to the conclusion that USGenNet harbors some kind of designs to damage or take over the USGenWeb Project is every bit as unfair and ungrateful as it is to make those kinds of accusations of Rootsweb. The good name and reputation of the USGenWeb Project is best served by taking everyone who claims to wish us well fully at their word, rather than seeking enemies under every stone. To have friends, one must be a friend. Teri Pettit SE/MA CC Representative CC for Rowan County, Kentucky http://www.best.com/~tpettit/rowan/