At Popular request from so many, let me put my money where Don's mouth has been. Go to this URL:http://www.rootsweb.com/~jzed/pointers/vtepoint.txt and decide for youself. Perhaps I am just too dense to get it, being a old country boy and all, and someone can enlighten me. Joe -- Zsedeny Genealogy - http://www.rootsweb.com/~jzed/home.htm NDGenWeb Archives - http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/nd/ndfiles.htm Pembina County, ND - http://www.rootsweb.com/~ndpembin/pembina.htm Ramsey County, ND - http://www.rootsweb.com/~ndramsey/ramsey.htm