The grievances, if that is how some of them should be defined, were lumped together forming a list of complaints most of which will be resolved in the upcoming election. Hatred of Rootsweb and the Archives motivated one complaint which disturbs me in particular. How can anyone say that because the Archives is hosted by Rootsweb that the data is not free to researchers. Not one penny has ever been charged for access to this data. To whine about a formal agreement between the Archives and Rootsweb is simply, in my mind, a get even strategy. I couldn't care a rat's behind whether the agreement is formal or oral, it works and works quite well. Because Brian has retaliated to attacks on RW some will go to any end to smear RW. Because Linda has defended the Archives she must be dwealt with also. Anyone who disagrees with these people have to be dwealt with. Someone tried to deal with me and others by using a temporary Hotmail account to take over a server in Australia which in turn sent a virulent message to several of us. I might add that the FBI is quite interested in this technique due to the resent denial of service attacks. My 22 years in the military didn't teach me to be intimidated by such wimpish actions. These "grievances" were sent with one purpose at this time, to disrupt and make a political statement. The complaint against Tim will be addressed in the upcoming election by a committee called the electorate. How much fairer can that be? Pam is appointed by the Board and, therefore, if the Board deemed her actions unsatisfactory the Board should deal with it. I don't happen to agree that she has done anything wrong. This one was harassment, pure and simple. So no, Ginger, while I respect your opinion on this matter, and happen to agree with some of your comments, my motion covers them all. After the election if anyone has a grievance, let's hear it with perhaps new faces to help sort this out. But the board is charged in the ByLaws to advise on grievances. My motion does just that along with any discussion preceeding a vote. The full Board can vote it up or down but the motion is my advice or opinion, if you will. Joe Ginger wrote: > > Joe, > Would you please clarify your motion. Are you moving > that all grievances submitted to the AB prior to your > motion are included in this? That is the way I could read it. > If that is not the case would you consider amending your > motion to show just which grievances, and which > submitter, your motion addresses. > At the moment the motion appears to me to be a little > too broad in it's scope and could be intrepreted to mean > that any grievance submitted to this board is frivolous and > therefore should be dismissed. > My reasoning for this that there have been quite a few > grievances submitted. None have been addressed that I'm > aware of. Each grievance should be addressed seperately > to determine the merits of each and I am still greatly > concerned about addressing grievances filed against this > board or members of it. I see no fair way we can address > those ourselves. > > Thanks, > Ginger > gingerh@shawneelink.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Betsy Mills <betsym@1starnet.com> > To: BOARD-L@rootsweb.com <BOARD-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: Saturday, June 03, 2000 2:38 PM > Subject: [BOARD-L] Fwd: Motion 00-14 > > >Forwarding for Tim Stowell, as requested: > > > >>Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 12:33:07 -0700 (PDT) > >>From: Tim Stowell <usgw1nc@yahoo.com> > >>Subject: Motion 00-14 > >> > >> For background on the motion made by Joe seconded by > >>Joy: > >> > >>"By submitting these grievances to the Board the > >>"aggrieved" party(s) is/are invoking Section I of > >>Article XIV which requests the Advisory Board to > >>advise on issues related to grievances and appeals. My > >>advice is that the grievances are purely spiteful and > >>meant to disrupt and cause disarray among the Project > >>members." > >> > >>The motion below is given the number 00-14. The floor > >>is now open for discussion. > >> > >> > >>"Therefore, I move that the grievances be dismissed as > >>frivolous and purely political in nature." > >> > >>Tim > >> > >> > >> > > -- Zsedeny Genealogy - http://www.rootsweb.com/~jzed/home.htm NDGenWeb Archives - http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/nd/ndfiles.htm Pembina County, ND - http://www.rootsweb.com/~ndpembin/pembina.htm Ramsey County, ND - http://www.rootsweb.com/~ndramsey/ramsey.htm