Moved by W. David Samuelsen and seconded by Linda Lewis, motion 2009/10-27 reads: "I move all moderators of any usgenweb lists including usgenweb-discuss be dismissed from such positions if they are currently serving in the Grievance Committee as member or as mediator or arbitrator effectively immediately. That this rule be incorporated into the standing rules for the GC." Discussion is open. If you have no discussion, please reply with "No discussion". Sherri Bradley National Coordinator USGenWeb Project Information about the USGenWeb Project at <http://usgenweb.org> http://usgenweb.org Advisory Board Agenda <http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.php> http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.php

Apparently I have either forgotten or missed something as I am not recalling any event or action that would require such an action. However, after my fall last week, I guess anything is possible. If someone would be so kind as to refresh my memory it would be appreciated. Les Sherri wrote: > Moved by W. David Samuelsen and seconded by Linda Lewis, motion 2009/10-27 > reads: > > > > "I move all moderators of any usgenweb lists including usgenweb-discuss be > dismissed from such positions if they are currently serving in the Grievance > Committee as member or as mediator or arbitrator effectively immediately. > > > > That this rule be incorporated into the standing rules for the GC." > > > > Discussion is open. If you have no discussion, please reply with "No > discussion". > > > > > > Sherri Bradley > National Coordinator > USGenWeb Project > Information about the USGenWeb Project at <http://usgenweb.org> > http://usgenweb.org > Advisory Board Agenda <http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.php> > http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.php > > > > > > > > USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

No discussion from me. Alice NENC CC Rep *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 6/2/2010 at 7:30 AM [email protected] wrote: >Moved by W. David Samuelsen and seconded by Linda Lewis, motion 2009/10-27 >reads: > > > >"I move all moderators of any usgenweb lists including usgenweb-discuss be >dismissed from such positions if they are currently serving in the >Grievance >Committee as member or as mediator or arbitrator effectively immediately. > > > >That this rule be incorporated into the standing rules for the GC." > > > >Discussion is open. If you have no discussion, please reply with "No >discussion". > > > > > >Sherri Bradley >National Coordinator >USGenWeb Project >Information about the USGenWeb Project at <http://usgenweb.org> >http://usgenweb.org >Advisory Board Agenda <http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.php> >http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.php > > > > > > > >USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in the subject and the body of the message

No discussion. Linda K. Lewis SWSC.CC -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sherri Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 6:31 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [BOARD] Motion 2009/10-27 Removal of List Moderators That Serve onthe Grievance Committee Moved by W. David Samuelsen and seconded by Linda Lewis, motion 2009/10-27 reads: "I move all moderators of any usgenweb lists including usgenweb-discuss be dismissed from such positions if they are currently serving in the Grievance Committee as member or as mediator or arbitrator effectively immediately. That this rule be incorporated into the standing rules for the GC." Discussion is open. If you have no discussion, please reply with "No discussion". Sherri Bradley National Coordinator USGenWeb Project Information about the USGenWeb Project at <http://usgenweb.org> http://usgenweb.org Advisory Board Agenda <http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.php> http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.php USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

No discussion. Colleen Pustola NWPL CC Rep On 6/2/2010 8:30 PM, Sherri wrote: > Moved by W. David Samuelsen and seconded by Linda Lewis, motion 2009/10-27 > reads: > > > > "I move all moderators of any usgenweb lists including usgenweb-discuss be > dismissed from such positions if they are currently serving in the Grievance > Committee as member or as mediator or arbitrator effectively immediately. > > > > That this rule be incorporated into the standing rules for the GC." > > > > Discussion is open. If you have no discussion, please reply with "No > discussion". > > > > > > Sherri Bradley > National Coordinator > USGenWeb Project > Information about the USGenWeb Project at<http://usgenweb.org> > http://usgenweb.org > Advisory Board Agenda<http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.php> > http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.php > > > > > > > > USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Actually David, for me, your motion is not all that clear in the way that it is written. I can see why there is some confusion as to what lists it is referring to. When I read it, it appears to say that anyone serving on the Grievance Committee, who also moderate a list have to be dismissed as a moderator of said list. You do specify any usgenweb lists, including usgenweb-discuss, but many people can and apparently are, interpreting that to mean any list that is connected in any way to the usgenweb, including the state lists run by SC's. Perhaps the motion needs to be slightly rewritten so it is clearer as to what lists are included and what lists are not. right now, it says all lists, which is way too open to misinterpretation. Perhaps it would better read as usgenweb lists controlled or maintained under the AB, such as usgenweb-discuss, uesgenweb-se, yadda, yadda, yadda. >>"I move all moderators of any usgenweb lists including usgenweb-discuss be dismissed from such positions if they are currently serving in the Grievance Committee as member or as mediator or arbitrator effectively immediately.>> Pauli Smith NENC CC Rep. ----- Original Message ----- From: W David Samuelsen<mailto:[email protected]> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [BOARD] Motion 2009/10-27 Removal of List Moderators That Serve on the Grievance Committee the motion does NOT apply to the state coordinators. You're confusing the motion with the state coordinators. The motion is very clear about the lists: usgenweb-discuss, usgenweb-se, usgenweb-sw, usgenweb-nw, usgenweb-ne and any other lists controlled or maintained under direction of the AB. David Samuelsen On 6/3/2010 10:55 AM, Vickery, Tina wrote: > David, > > The State Coordinators are the moderators of the state's administrative > list(s). The Standard Rules (Section V, subsection A) require that > there MUST be a state coordinator on the committee (it doesn't state SC > *or* ASC, it states SC). The wording of this motion causes a conflict > with that Standard Rule. > > http://usgenweb.org/volunteers/standard-rules.shtml<http://usgenweb.org/volunteers/standard-rules.shtml> > > Tina > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "W David Samuelsen"<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > To:<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 10:49 PM > Subject: Re: [BOARD] Motion 2009/10-27 Removal of List Moderators That Serve > on the Grievance Committee > > >> Tina, >> >> I made no motion applying to any other committees. >> >> The motion is very clear specifically applied to the Grievance Committee >> and NO other committees. >> >> I said nothing about regional lists (no mention of it in the motion) >> since the region lists are administered by the AB members. >> >> Currently there are no standing rules who may be admins/moderators of >> lists. >> >> David >> >> On 6/2/2010 7:40 PM, Vickery, Tina wrote: >>> David, >>> >>> I assume your *global* concern is that USGenWeb list administrators >>> cannot >>> serve in any capacity on Standing Committee or Special Committees? >>> >>> Regional mail lists are historically maintained by Advisory Board members >>> of >>> the applicable Region. SC's administer their XXGenWeb Project lists. The >>> NC >>> administers National lists and -Discuss administrators are appointed >>> historically with a general consent motion of the Advisory Board at the >>> beginning of each term. >>> >>> If your premise and intent with this motion is indeed that no list >>> administrators can serve on a Standing or Special Committees in any >>> capacity >>> within the USGenWeb Project, I will surely have, as I am sure the Project >>> will have discussion, as you have eliminated many, many USGenWeb Project >>> volunteers from ever serving on a Standing or Special Committee with this >>> motion. >>> >>> I still don't understand, and I don't want to assume. Can you explain >>> further? >>> >>> Tina >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "W David Samuelsen"<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> >>> To:<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> >>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 4:04 PM >>> Subject: Re: [BOARD] Motion 2009/10-27 Removal of List Moderators That >>> Serve >>> onthe Grievance Committee >>> >>> >>>> All of you have a copy of the message now which prompted the motion to >>>> preempt any chance of tainting the Grievance Committee now and in the >>>> future. >>>> >>>> David Samuelsen >>>> >>>> On 6/2/2010 8:45 AM, Pauli Smith wrote: >>>>> I'm having trouble understanding the need for this motion. Did >>>>> something >>>>> happen? David, can you explain to me what is behind it and why you feel >>>>> a >>>>> need for it? I'm willing to look at both sides on this, I just need to >>>>> understand the why. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Pauli >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: Sherri<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> >>>>> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 5:30 AM >>>>> Subject: [BOARD] Motion 2009/10-27 Removal of List Moderators That >>>>> Serve onthe Grievance Committee >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Moved by W. David Samuelsen and seconded by Linda Lewis, motion >>>>> 2009/10-27 >>>>> reads: >>>> >>>>> "I move all moderators of any usgenweb lists including >>>>> usgenweb-discuss be >>>>> dismissed from such positions if they are currently serving in the >>>>> Grievance >>>>> Committee as member or as mediator or arbitrator effectively >>>>> immediately. >>>> >>>>> That this rule be incorporated into the standing rules for the GC." >>>> >>>>> Discussion is open. If you have no discussion, please reply with >>>>> "No >>>>> discussion". >>>> USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml<http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes >>>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml<http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml<http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml<http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml> > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml<http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Pauli, I invite you to amend the motion to clarify the intent is any list administered or responsible for where non-AB is an admin/moderator. I know the standing rules already prevent anyone who has been on the AB from serving in the GC for 3 years, so this part is safe. It's the appointment of the non-AB members as listadmin/moderator of the lists the AB is responsible for where the general membership can post and receive replies, as well as discuss anything goes. This is an area not covered by standing rules. David David On 6/3/2010 6:14 PM, Pauli Smith wrote: > Actually David, for me, your motion is not all that clear in the way that it is written. I can see why there is some confusion as to what lists it is referring to. When I read it, it appears to say that anyone serving on the Grievance Committee, who also moderate a list have to be dismissed as a moderator of said list. You do specify any usgenweb lists, including usgenweb-discuss, but many people can and apparently are, interpreting that to mean any list that is connected in any way to the usgenweb, including the state lists run by SC's. > > Perhaps the motion needs to be slightly rewritten so it is clearer as to what lists are included and what lists are not. right now, it says all lists, which is way too open to misinterpretation. Perhaps it would better read as usgenweb lists controlled or maintained under the AB, such as usgenweb-discuss, uesgenweb-se, yadda, yadda, yadda. > > >>> "I move all moderators of any usgenweb lists including usgenweb-discuss be dismissed from such positions if they are currently serving in the Grievance Committee as member or as mediator or arbitrator effectively immediately.>> > > Pauli Smith > NENC CC Rep. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: W David Samuelsen<mailto:[email protected]> > To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 11:06 AM > Subject: Re: [BOARD] Motion 2009/10-27 Removal of List Moderators That Serve on the Grievance Committee > > > the motion does NOT apply to the state coordinators. > > You're confusing the motion with the state coordinators. > > The motion is very clear about the lists: usgenweb-discuss, usgenweb-se, > usgenweb-sw, usgenweb-nw, usgenweb-ne and any other lists controlled or > maintained under direction of the AB. > > David Samuelsen > > On 6/3/2010 10:55 AM, Vickery, Tina wrote: > > David, > > > > The State Coordinators are the moderators of the state's administrative > > list(s). The Standard Rules (Section V, subsection A) require that > > there MUST be a state coordinator on the committee (it doesn't state SC > > *or* ASC, it states SC). The wording of this motion causes a conflict > > with that Standard Rule. > > > > http://usgenweb.org/volunteers/standard-rules.shtml<http://usgenweb.org/volunteers/standard-rules.shtml> > > > > Tina > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "W David Samuelsen"<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > > To:<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 10:49 PM > > Subject: Re: [BOARD] Motion 2009/10-27 Removal of List Moderators That Serve > > on the Grievance Committee > > > > > >> Tina, > >> > >> I made no motion applying to any other committees. > >> > >> The motion is very clear specifically applied to the Grievance Committee > >> and NO other committees. > >> > >> I said nothing about regional lists (no mention of it in the motion) > >> since the region lists are administered by the AB members. > >> > >> Currently there are no standing rules who may be admins/moderators of > >> lists. > >> > >> David > >> > >> On 6/2/2010 7:40 PM, Vickery, Tina wrote: > >>> David, > >>> > >>> I assume your *global* concern is that USGenWeb list administrators > >>> cannot > >>> serve in any capacity on Standing Committee or Special Committees? > >>> > >>> Regional mail lists are historically maintained by Advisory Board members > >>> of > >>> the applicable Region. SC's administer their XXGenWeb Project lists. The > >>> NC > >>> administers National lists and -Discuss administrators are appointed > >>> historically with a general consent motion of the Advisory Board at the > >>> beginning of each term. > >>> > >>> If your premise and intent with this motion is indeed that no list > >>> administrators can serve on a Standing or Special Committees in any > >>> capacity > >>> within the USGenWeb Project, I will surely have, as I am sure the Project > >>> will have discussion, as you have eliminated many, many USGenWeb Project > >>> volunteers from ever serving on a Standing or Special Committee with this > >>> motion. > >>> > >>> I still don't understand, and I don't want to assume. Can you explain > >>> further? > >>> > >>> Tina > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "W David Samuelsen"<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > >>> To:<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > >>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 4:04 PM > >>> Subject: Re: [BOARD] Motion 2009/10-27 Removal of List Moderators That > >>> Serve > >>> onthe Grievance Committee > >>> > >>> > >>>> All of you have a copy of the message now which prompted the motion to > >>>> preempt any chance of tainting the Grievance Committee now and in the > >>>> future. > >>>> > >>>> David Samuelsen > >>>> > >>>> On 6/2/2010 8:45 AM, Pauli Smith wrote: > >>>>> I'm having trouble understanding the need for this motion. Did > >>>>> something > >>>>> happen? David, can you explain to me what is behind it and why you feel > >>>>> a > >>>>> need for it? I'm willing to look at both sides on this, I just need to > >>>>> understand the why. > >>>>> > >>>>> Thanks, > >>>>> Pauli > >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>> From: Sherri<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > >>>>> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>> > >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 5:30 AM > >>>>> Subject: [BOARD] Motion 2009/10-27 Removal of List Moderators That > >>>>> Serve onthe Grievance Committee > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Moved by W. David Samuelsen and seconded by Linda Lewis, motion > >>>>> 2009/10-27 > >>>>> reads: > >>>> > >>>>> "I move all moderators of any usgenweb lists including > >>>>> usgenweb-discuss be > >>>>> dismissed from such positions if they are currently serving in the > >>>>> Grievance > >>>>> Committee as member or as mediator or arbitrator effectively > >>>>> immediately. > >>>> > >>>>> That this rule be incorporated into the standing rules for the GC." > >>>> > >>>>> Discussion is open. If you have no discussion, please reply with > >>>>> "No > >>>>> discussion". > >>>> USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml<http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml> > >>>> ------------------------------- > >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >>>> quotes > >>>> in the subject and the body of the message > >>> > >>> USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml<http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml> > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > >>> in the subject and the body of the message > >>> > >>> > >> USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml<http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > > USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml<http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml> > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml<http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml> > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

I have received a lot of feedback on this motion and all of the feedback is confusion. - The phrase "usgenweb lists" is too vague, the specific lists should have been clarified. - The reason for the motion is the other source of confusion. The reason for such a standing rule should be included in the rule itself and would just continue to cause confusion in the future if it were to pass. Cyndie SP Rep. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sherri Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 7:31 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [BOARD] Motion 2009/10-27 Removal of List Moderators That Serve on the Grievance Committee Moved by W. David Samuelsen and seconded by Linda Lewis, motion 2009/10-27 reads: "I move all moderators of any usgenweb lists including usgenweb-discuss be dismissed from such positions if they are currently serving in the Grievance Committee as member or as mediator or arbitrator effectively immediately. That this rule be incorporated into the standing rules for the GC." Discussion is open. If you have no discussion, please reply with "No discussion". Sherri Bradley National Coordinator USGenWeb Project Information about the USGenWeb Project at <http://usgenweb.org> http://usgenweb.org Advisory Board Agenda <http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.php> http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.php USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi David, I'm still trying to catch up on all the emails that came today while I was at work. Thank you for asking, but I feel that since you made the original motion, you should be the one with the privilege of amending it. I think you should have a better idea now of what the problem with the initial one was, and that you also have a better handle on what it is that your original intention was. Thanks for asking, Pauli ----- Original Message ----- From: W David Samuelsen<mailto:[email protected]> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 9:40 PM Subject: Re: [BOARD] Motion 2009/10-27 Removal of List Moderators That Serve on the Grievance Committee Pauli, I invite you to amend the motion to clarify the intent is any list administered or responsible for where non-AB is an admin/moderator. I know the standing rules already prevent anyone who has been on the AB from serving in the GC for 3 years, so this part is safe. It's the appointment of the non-AB members as listadmin/moderator of the lists the AB is responsible for where the general membership can post and receive replies, as well as discuss anything goes. This is an area not covered by standing rules. David David On 6/3/2010 6:14 PM, Pauli Smith wrote: > Actually David, for me, your motion is not all that clear in the way that it is written. I can see why there is some confusion as to what lists it is referring to. When I read it, it appears to say that anyone serving on the Grievance Committee, who also moderate a list have to be dismissed as a moderator of said list. You do specify any usgenweb lists, including usgenweb-discuss, but many people can and apparently are, interpreting that to mean any list that is connected in any way to the usgenweb, including the state lists run by SC's. > > Perhaps the motion needs to be slightly rewritten so it is clearer as to what lists are included and what lists are not. right now, it says all lists, which is way too open to misinterpretation. Perhaps it would better read as usgenweb lists controlled or maintained under the AB, such as usgenweb-discuss, uesgenweb-se, yadda, yadda, yadda. > > >>> "I move all moderators of any usgenweb lists including usgenweb-discuss be dismissed from such positions if they are currently serving in the Grievance Committee as member or as mediator or arbitrator effectively immediately.>> > > Pauli Smith > NENC CC Rep. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: W David Samuelsen<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>> > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 11:06 AM > Subject: Re: [BOARD] Motion 2009/10-27 Removal of List Moderators That Serve on the Grievance Committee > > > the motion does NOT apply to the state coordinators. > > You're confusing the motion with the state coordinators. > > The motion is very clear about the lists: usgenweb-discuss, usgenweb-se, > usgenweb-sw, usgenweb-nw, usgenweb-ne and any other lists controlled or > maintained under direction of the AB. > > David Samuelsen > > On 6/3/2010 10:55 AM, Vickery, Tina wrote: > > David, > > > > The State Coordinators are the moderators of the state's administrative > > list(s). The Standard Rules (Section V, subsection A) require that > > there MUST be a state coordinator on the committee (it doesn't state SC > > *or* ASC, it states SC). The wording of this motion causes a conflict > > with that Standard Rule. > > > > http://usgenweb.org/volunteers/standard-rules.shtml<http://usgenweb.org/volunteers/standard-rules.shtml<http://usgenweb.org/volunteers/standard-rules.shtml%3Chttp://usgenweb.org/volunteers/standard-rules.shtml>> > > > > Tina > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "W David Samuelsen"<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>>> > > To:<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>>> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 10:49 PM > > Subject: Re: [BOARD] Motion 2009/10-27 Removal of List Moderators That Serve > > on the Grievance Committee > > > > > >> Tina, > >> > >> I made no motion applying to any other committees. > >> > >> The motion is very clear specifically applied to the Grievance Committee > >> and NO other committees. > >> > >> I said nothing about regional lists (no mention of it in the motion) > >> since the region lists are administered by the AB members. > >> > >> Currently there are no standing rules who may be admins/moderators of > >> lists. > >> > >> David > >> > >> On 6/2/2010 7:40 PM, Vickery, Tina wrote: > >>> David, > >>> > >>> I assume your *global* concern is that USGenWeb list administrators > >>> cannot > >>> serve in any capacity on Standing Committee or Special Committees? > >>> > >>> Regional mail lists are historically maintained by Advisory Board members > >>> of > >>> the applicable Region. SC's administer their XXGenWeb Project lists. The > >>> NC > >>> administers National lists and -Discuss administrators are appointed > >>> historically with a general consent motion of the Advisory Board at the > >>> beginning of each term. > >>> > >>> If your premise and intent with this motion is indeed that no list > >>> administrators can serve on a Standing or Special Committees in any > >>> capacity > >>> within the USGenWeb Project, I will surely have, as I am sure the Project > >>> will have discussion, as you have eliminated many, many USGenWeb Project > >>> volunteers from ever serving on a Standing or Special Committee with this > >>> motion. > >>> > >>> I still don't understand, and I don't want to assume. Can you explain > >>> further? > >>> > >>> Tina > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "W David Samuelsen"<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>>> > >>> To:<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>>> > >>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 4:04 PM > >>> Subject: Re: [BOARD] Motion 2009/10-27 Removal of List Moderators That > >>> Serve > >>> onthe Grievance Committee > >>> > >>> > >>>> All of you have a copy of the message now which prompted the motion to > >>>> preempt any chance of tainting the Grievance Committee now and in the > >>>> future. > >>>> > >>>> David Samuelsen > >>>> > >>>> On 6/2/2010 8:45 AM, Pauli Smith wrote: > >>>>> I'm having trouble understanding the need for this motion. Did > >>>>> something > >>>>> happen? David, can you explain to me what is behind it and why you feel > >>>>> a > >>>>> need for it? I'm willing to look at both sides on this, I just need to > >>>>> understand the why. > >>>>> > >>>>> Thanks, > >>>>> Pauli > >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>> From: Sherri<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>>> > >>>>> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>>> > >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 5:30 AM > >>>>> Subject: [BOARD] Motion 2009/10-27 Removal of List Moderators That > >>>>> Serve onthe Grievance Committee > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Moved by W. David Samuelsen and seconded by Linda Lewis, motion > >>>>> 2009/10-27 > >>>>> reads: > >>>> > >>>>> "I move all moderators of any usgenweb lists including > >>>>> usgenweb-discuss be > >>>>> dismissed from such positions if they are currently serving in the > >>>>> Grievance > >>>>> Committee as member or as mediator or arbitrator effectively > >>>>> immediately. > >>>> > >>>>> That this rule be incorporated into the standing rules for the GC." > >>>> > >>>>> Discussion is open. If you have no discussion, please reply with > >>>>> "No > >>>>> discussion". > >>>> USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml<http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml<http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml%3Chttp://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml>> > >>>> ------------------------------- > >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >>>> quotes > >>>> in the subject and the body of the message > >>> > >>> USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml<http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml<http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml%3Chttp://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml>> > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > >>> in the subject and the body of the message > >>> > >>> > >> USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml<http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml<http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml%3Chttp://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml>> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > > USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml<http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml<http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml%3Chttp://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml>> > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml<http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml<http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml%3Chttp://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml>> > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml<http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml> > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml<http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

under parliamentary rules, I can not amend my own motion at all once seconded. And since Linda offered to withdraw her second if I would do, so soon after I asked you. I withdrew the motion and posted new motion concerning the Guidelines document. Sherri has YET to allow it. You have a copy of the motion. Others are irked that Sherri is holding back. They know because I informed them of the fact. David On 6/4/2010 6:05 PM, Pauli Smith wrote: > Hi David, > > I'm still trying to catch up on all the emails that came today while I was at work. Thank you for asking, but I feel that since you made the original motion, you should be the one with the privilege of amending it. I think you should have a better idea now of what the problem with the initial one was, and that you also have a better handle on what it is that your original intention was. > > Thanks for asking, > Pauli > ----- Original Message ----- > From: W David Samuelsen<mailto:[email protected]> > To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 9:40 PM > Subject: Re: [BOARD] Motion 2009/10-27 Removal of List Moderators That Serve on the Grievance Committee > > > Pauli, > > I invite you to amend the motion to clarify the intent is any list > administered or responsible for where non-AB is an admin/moderator. > > I know the standing rules already prevent anyone who has been on the AB > from serving in the GC for 3 years, so this part is safe. > > It's the appointment of the non-AB members as listadmin/moderator of the > lists the AB is responsible for where the general membership can post > and receive replies, as well as discuss anything goes. This is an area > not covered by standing rules. > > David > > David > > On 6/3/2010 6:14 PM, Pauli Smith wrote: > > Actually David, for me, your motion is not all that clear in the way that it is written. I can see why there is some confusion as to what lists it is referring to. When I read it, it appears to say that anyone serving on the Grievance Committee, who also moderate a list have to be dismissed as a moderator of said list. You do specify any usgenweb lists, including usgenweb-discuss, but many people can and apparently are, interpreting that to mean any list that is connected in any way to the usgenweb, including the state lists run by SC's. > > > > Perhaps the motion needs to be slightly rewritten so it is clearer as to what lists are included and what lists are not. right now, it says all lists, which is way too open to misinterpretation. Perhaps it would better read as usgenweb lists controlled or maintained under the AB, such as usgenweb-discuss, uesgenweb-se, yadda, yadda, yadda. > > > > > >>> "I move all moderators of any usgenweb lists including usgenweb-discuss be dismissed from such positions if they are currently serving in the Grievance Committee as member or as mediator or arbitrator effectively immediately.>> > > > > Pauli Smith > > NENC CC Rep. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: W David Samuelsen<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > > To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>> > > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 11:06 AM > > Subject: Re: [BOARD] Motion 2009/10-27 Removal of List Moderators That Serve on the Grievance Committee > > > > > > the motion does NOT apply to the state coordinators. > > > > You're confusing the motion with the state coordinators. > > > > The motion is very clear about the lists: usgenweb-discuss, usgenweb-se, > > usgenweb-sw, usgenweb-nw, usgenweb-ne and any other lists controlled or > > maintained under direction of the AB. > > > > David Samuelsen > > > > On 6/3/2010 10:55 AM, Vickery, Tina wrote: > > > David, > > > > > > The State Coordinators are the moderators of the state's administrative > > > list(s). The Standard Rules (Section V, subsection A) require that > > > there MUST be a state coordinator on the committee (it doesn't state SC > > > *or* ASC, it states SC). The wording of this motion causes a conflict > > > with that Standard Rule. > > > > > > http://usgenweb.org/volunteers/standard-rules.shtml<http://usgenweb.org/volunteers/standard-rules.shtml<http://usgenweb.org/volunteers/standard-rules.shtml%3Chttp://usgenweb.org/volunteers/standard-rules.shtml>> > > > > > > Tina > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "W David Samuelsen"<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>>> > > > To:<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>>> > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 10:49 PM > > > Subject: Re: [BOARD] Motion 2009/10-27 Removal of List Moderators That Serve > > > on the Grievance Committee > > > > > > > > >> Tina, > > >> > > >> I made no motion applying to any other committees. > > >> > > >> The motion is very clear specifically applied to the Grievance Committee > > >> and NO other committees. > > >> > > >> I said nothing about regional lists (no mention of it in the motion) > > >> since the region lists are administered by the AB members. > > >> > > >> Currently there are no standing rules who may be admins/moderators of > > >> lists. > > >> > > >> David > > >> > > >> On 6/2/2010 7:40 PM, Vickery, Tina wrote: > > >>> David, > > >>> > > >>> I assume your *global* concern is that USGenWeb list administrators > > >>> cannot > > >>> serve in any capacity on Standing Committee or Special Committees? > > >>> > > >>> Regional mail lists are historically maintained by Advisory Board members > > >>> of > > >>> the applicable Region. SC's administer their XXGenWeb Project lists. The > > >>> NC > > >>> administers National lists and -Discuss administrators are appointed > > >>> historically with a general consent motion of the Advisory Board at the > > >>> beginning of each term. > > >>> > > >>> If your premise and intent with this motion is indeed that no list > > >>> administrators can serve on a Standing or Special Committees in any > > >>> capacity > > >>> within the USGenWeb Project, I will surely have, as I am sure the Project > > >>> will have discussion, as you have eliminated many, many USGenWeb Project > > >>> volunteers from ever serving on a Standing or Special Committee with this > > >>> motion. > > >>> > > >>> I still don't understand, and I don't want to assume. Can you explain > > >>> further? > > >>> > > >>> Tina > > >>> > > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > > >>> From: "W David Samuelsen"<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>>> > > >>> To:<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>>> > > >>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 4:04 PM > > >>> Subject: Re: [BOARD] Motion 2009/10-27 Removal of List Moderators That > > >>> Serve > > >>> onthe Grievance Committee > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>> All of you have a copy of the message now which prompted the motion to > > >>>> preempt any chance of tainting the Grievance Committee now and in the > > >>>> future. > > >>>> > > >>>> David Samuelsen > > >>>> > > >>>> On 6/2/2010 8:45 AM, Pauli Smith wrote: > > >>>>> I'm having trouble understanding the need for this motion. Did > > >>>>> something > > >>>>> happen? David, can you explain to me what is behind it and why you feel > > >>>>> a > > >>>>> need for it? I'm willing to look at both sides on this, I just need to > > >>>>> understand the why. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Thanks, > > >>>>> Pauli > > >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > > >>>>> From: Sherri<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>>> > > >>>>> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]rootsweb.com%3Cmailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>>> > > >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 5:30 AM > > >>>>> Subject: [BOARD] Motion 2009/10-27 Removal of List Moderators That > > >>>>> Serve onthe Grievance Committee > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Moved by W. David Samuelsen and seconded by Linda Lewis, motion > > >>>>> 2009/10-27 > > >>>>> reads: > > >>>> > > >>>>> "I move all moderators of any usgenweb lists including > > >>>>> usgenweb-discuss be > > >>>>> dismissed from such positions if they are currently serving in the > > >>>>> Grievance > > >>>>> Committee as member or as mediator or arbitrator effectively > > >>>>> immediately. > > >>>> > > >>>>> That this rule be incorporated into the standing rules for the GC." > > >>>> > > >>>>> Discussion is open. If you have no discussion, please reply with > > >>>>> "No > > >>>>> discussion". > > >>>> USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml<http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml<http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml%3Chttp://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml>> > > >>>> ------------------------------- > > >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > >>>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > >>>> quotes > > >>>> in the subject and the body of the message > > >>> > > >>> USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml<http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml<http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml%3Chttp://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml>> > > >>> ------------------------------- > > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > >>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > >>> in the subject and the body of the message > > >>> > > >>> > > >> USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml<http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml<http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml%3Chttp://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml>> > > >> ------------------------------- > > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > >> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml<http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml<http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml%3Chttp://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml>> > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml<http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml<http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml%3Chttp://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml>> > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml<http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml> > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml<http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml> > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >