David, I assume your *global* concern is that USGenWeb list administrators cannot serve in any capacity on Standing Committee or Special Committees? Regional mail lists are historically maintained by Advisory Board members of the applicable Region. SC's administer their XXGenWeb Project lists. The NC administers National lists and -Discuss administrators are appointed historically with a general consent motion of the Advisory Board at the beginning of each term. If your premise and intent with this motion is indeed that no list administrators can serve on a Standing or Special Committees in any capacity within the USGenWeb Project, I will surely have, as I am sure the Project will have discussion, as you have eliminated many, many USGenWeb Project volunteers from ever serving on a Standing or Special Committee with this motion. I still don't understand, and I don't want to assume. Can you explain further? Tina ----- Original Message ----- From: "W David Samuelsen" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 4:04 PM Subject: Re: [BOARD] Motion 2009/10-27 Removal of List Moderators That Serve onthe Grievance Committee > All of you have a copy of the message now which prompted the motion to > preempt any chance of tainting the Grievance Committee now and in the > future. > > David Samuelsen > > On 6/2/2010 8:45 AM, Pauli Smith wrote: >> I'm having trouble understanding the need for this motion. Did something >> happen? David, can you explain to me what is behind it and why you feel a >> need for it? I'm willing to look at both sides on this, I just need to >> understand the why. >> >> Thanks, >> Pauli >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Sherri<mailto:[email protected]> >> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 5:30 AM >> Subject: [BOARD] Motion 2009/10-27 Removal of List Moderators That >> Serve onthe Grievance Committee >> >> >> Moved by W. David Samuelsen and seconded by Linda Lewis, motion >> 2009/10-27 >> reads: > >> "I move all moderators of any usgenweb lists including >> usgenweb-discuss be >> dismissed from such positions if they are currently serving in the >> Grievance >> Committee as member or as mediator or arbitrator effectively >> immediately. > >> That this rule be incorporated into the standing rules for the GC." > >> Discussion is open. If you have no discussion, please reply with "No >> discussion". > USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

As I read the motion, this only applies to those who are list moderators, who also serve in any way on the Grievance Committee--not to any other committees--standing or special. Alice NENC CC Rep *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 6/2/2010 at 9:40 PM [email protected] wrote: >David, > >I assume your *global* concern is that USGenWeb list administrators cannot >serve in any capacity on Standing Committee or Special Committees? > >Regional mail lists are historically maintained by Advisory Board members >of >the applicable Region. SC's administer their XXGenWeb Project lists. The >NC >administers National lists and -Discuss administrators are appointed >historically with a general consent motion of the Advisory Board at the >beginning of each term. > >If your premise and intent with this motion is indeed that no list >administrators can serve on a Standing or Special Committees in any >capacity >within the USGenWeb Project, I will surely have, as I am sure the Project >will have discussion, as you have eliminated many, many USGenWeb Project >volunteers from ever serving on a Standing or Special Committee with this >motion. > >I still don't understand, and I don't want to assume. Can you explain >further? > >Tina > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "W David Samuelsen" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 4:04 PM >Subject: Re: [BOARD] Motion 2009/10-27 Removal of List Moderators That >Serve >onthe Grievance Committee > > >> All of you have a copy of the message now which prompted the motion to >> preempt any chance of tainting the Grievance Committee now and in the >> future. >> >> David Samuelsen >> >> On 6/2/2010 8:45 AM, Pauli Smith wrote: >>> I'm having trouble understanding the need for this motion. Did >something >>> happen? David, can you explain to me what is behind it and why you feel >a >>> need for it? I'm willing to look at both sides on this, I just need to >>> understand the why. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Pauli >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Sherri<mailto:[email protected]> >>> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 5:30 AM >>> Subject: [BOARD] Motion 2009/10-27 Removal of List Moderators That >>> Serve onthe Grievance Committee >>> >>> >>> Moved by W. David Samuelsen and seconded by Linda Lewis, motion >>> 2009/10-27 >>> reads: >> >>> "I move all moderators of any usgenweb lists including >>> usgenweb-discuss be >>> dismissed from such positions if they are currently serving in the >>> Grievance >>> Committee as member or as mediator or arbitrator effectively >>> immediately. >> >>> That this rule be incorporated into the standing rules for the GC." >> >>> Discussion is open. If you have no discussion, please reply with "No >>> discussion". >> USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > >USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in the subject and the body of the message

Tina, I made no motion applying to any other committees. The motion is very clear specifically applied to the Grievance Committee and NO other committees. I said nothing about regional lists (no mention of it in the motion) since the region lists are administered by the AB members. Currently there are no standing rules who may be admins/moderators of lists. David On 6/2/2010 7:40 PM, Vickery, Tina wrote: > David, > > I assume your *global* concern is that USGenWeb list administrators cannot > serve in any capacity on Standing Committee or Special Committees? > > Regional mail lists are historically maintained by Advisory Board members of > the applicable Region. SC's administer their XXGenWeb Project lists. The NC > administers National lists and -Discuss administrators are appointed > historically with a general consent motion of the Advisory Board at the > beginning of each term. > > If your premise and intent with this motion is indeed that no list > administrators can serve on a Standing or Special Committees in any capacity > within the USGenWeb Project, I will surely have, as I am sure the Project > will have discussion, as you have eliminated many, many USGenWeb Project > volunteers from ever serving on a Standing or Special Committee with this > motion. > > I still don't understand, and I don't want to assume. Can you explain > further? > > Tina > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "W David Samuelsen"<[email protected]> > To:<[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 4:04 PM > Subject: Re: [BOARD] Motion 2009/10-27 Removal of List Moderators That Serve > onthe Grievance Committee > > >> All of you have a copy of the message now which prompted the motion to >> preempt any chance of tainting the Grievance Committee now and in the >> future. >> >> David Samuelsen >> >> On 6/2/2010 8:45 AM, Pauli Smith wrote: >>> I'm having trouble understanding the need for this motion. Did something >>> happen? David, can you explain to me what is behind it and why you feel a >>> need for it? I'm willing to look at both sides on this, I just need to >>> understand the why. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Pauli >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Sherri<mailto:[email protected]> >>> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 5:30 AM >>> Subject: [BOARD] Motion 2009/10-27 Removal of List Moderators That >>> Serve onthe Grievance Committee >>> >>> >>> Moved by W. David Samuelsen and seconded by Linda Lewis, motion >>> 2009/10-27 >>> reads: >> >>> "I move all moderators of any usgenweb lists including >>> usgenweb-discuss be >>> dismissed from such positions if they are currently serving in the >>> Grievance >>> Committee as member or as mediator or arbitrator effectively >>> immediately. >> >>> That this rule be incorporated into the standing rules for the GC." >> >>> Discussion is open. If you have no discussion, please reply with "No >>> discussion". >> USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

David, The State Coordinators are the moderators of the state's administrative list(s). The Standard Rules (Section V, subsection A) require that there MUST be a state coordinator on the committee (it doesn't state SC *or* ASC, it states SC). The wording of this motion causes a conflict with that Standard Rule. http://usgenweb.org/volunteers/standard-rules.shtml Tina ----- Original Message ----- From: "W David Samuelsen" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 10:49 PM Subject: Re: [BOARD] Motion 2009/10-27 Removal of List Moderators That Serve on the Grievance Committee > Tina, > > I made no motion applying to any other committees. > > The motion is very clear specifically applied to the Grievance Committee > and NO other committees. > > I said nothing about regional lists (no mention of it in the motion) > since the region lists are administered by the AB members. > > Currently there are no standing rules who may be admins/moderators of > lists. > > David > > On 6/2/2010 7:40 PM, Vickery, Tina wrote: >> David, >> >> I assume your *global* concern is that USGenWeb list administrators >> cannot >> serve in any capacity on Standing Committee or Special Committees? >> >> Regional mail lists are historically maintained by Advisory Board members >> of >> the applicable Region. SC's administer their XXGenWeb Project lists. The >> NC >> administers National lists and -Discuss administrators are appointed >> historically with a general consent motion of the Advisory Board at the >> beginning of each term. >> >> If your premise and intent with this motion is indeed that no list >> administrators can serve on a Standing or Special Committees in any >> capacity >> within the USGenWeb Project, I will surely have, as I am sure the Project >> will have discussion, as you have eliminated many, many USGenWeb Project >> volunteers from ever serving on a Standing or Special Committee with this >> motion. >> >> I still don't understand, and I don't want to assume. Can you explain >> further? >> >> Tina >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "W David Samuelsen"<[email protected]> >> To:<[email protected]> >> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 4:04 PM >> Subject: Re: [BOARD] Motion 2009/10-27 Removal of List Moderators That >> Serve >> onthe Grievance Committee >> >> >>> All of you have a copy of the message now which prompted the motion to >>> preempt any chance of tainting the Grievance Committee now and in the >>> future. >>> >>> David Samuelsen >>> >>> On 6/2/2010 8:45 AM, Pauli Smith wrote: >>>> I'm having trouble understanding the need for this motion. Did >>>> something >>>> happen? David, can you explain to me what is behind it and why you feel >>>> a >>>> need for it? I'm willing to look at both sides on this, I just need to >>>> understand the why. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Pauli >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Sherri<mailto:[email protected]> >>>> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 5:30 AM >>>> Subject: [BOARD] Motion 2009/10-27 Removal of List Moderators That >>>> Serve onthe Grievance Committee >>>> >>>> >>>> Moved by W. David Samuelsen and seconded by Linda Lewis, motion >>>> 2009/10-27 >>>> reads: >>> >>>> "I move all moderators of any usgenweb lists including >>>> usgenweb-discuss be >>>> dismissed from such positions if they are currently serving in the >>>> Grievance >>>> Committee as member or as mediator or arbitrator effectively >>>> immediately. >>> >>>> That this rule be incorporated into the standing rules for the GC." >>> >>>> Discussion is open. If you have no discussion, please reply with >>>> "No >>>> discussion". >>> USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message