David, I thought very hard before I called the question. I would have hoped that over the two months of discussion that you would have participated and contributed on this issue as others have, constructively. Sadly, you did not and have just continued each time it has come to a vote to yell (with this note, to new volumes). I am very sorry that you couldn't articulate constructively on this issue. As I said earlier, This grand standing is not helpful nor is it becoming and quite frankly is getting tedious. Tina ___ Sherri, I believe the phrase in Parlimentary Procedure is "Calling the question". " The motion to call the previous question requires a second, may not be debated, and requires a two-thirds majority to pass. If it passes, a vote on the pending motion is taken immediately. If it fails, discussion continues on the pending motion." I call the question on MOTION 2009/10-23 - Augmentation of the Grievance Procedures. Tina Vickery Representive at Large __ ----- Original Message ----- From: "W David Samuelsen" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; "Tina Vickery" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 11:01 PM Subject: Re: [BOARD] MOTION 2009/10-23 - Augmentation of the GrievanceProcedures > Tina, > > YES, I AM YELLING AT YOU AND OTHERS WHO ARE PUSHINBG TO TAKE AWAY THE > RIGHT OF THE MEMBERS. You are willing to risk the breakup of the Project. > > The right rest with the general membership to decide the penalties. > > Neither the AB or the GC has any right to do so without specified in the > bylaws itself. > > Sturgis is very clear on this point. Sturgis is NOT alone. All other > Parliamentary Procedures said same thing. > > TRASHBIN this illegal motion. > > David > > > > On 4/21/2010 6:40 PM, Tina S. Vickery wrote: >> David, >> >> The Advisory Board has been discussing this motion for a long time. All >> I >> hear is your stating, adamantly, in fact, your dissatisfaction. I am >> sure >> they are your very strenuous convictions as to what you *feel* is wrong >> with >> the motion and I respect that, *but* I have yet to see you contribute >> anything constructive to word this motion to allow it to fall within your >> convictions and, I hope, those convictions of the Project members that >> you >> represent. >> >> You have not suggested any changes, all you have done is "yell" at the >> rest >> of us and in turn at the very members that we each represented while we >> have >> thoughtfully constructed this motion over the last few months with input >> from them. >> >> I repeat, if you have nothing but rhetoric to contribute to this motion >> than >> quietly state "no further discussion" and allow it to come to a vote. >> You >> do have a vote. This grand standing is not helpful nor is it becoming >> and >> quite frankly is getting tedious. >> >> Do you have anything constructive to add to this discussion? >> >> Tina >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "W David Samuelsen"<[email protected]> >> To:<[email protected]> >> Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 3:04 PM >> Subject: Re: [BOARD] MOTION 2009/10-23 - Augmentation of the >> GrievanceProcedures >> >> >>> Adamant opposition >>> >>> The day the motion become official, is the day the states lose their >>> sovereignty, and all and everything are subjected to the AB which at >>> that point is no longer a AB but a dictatorship junta. >>> >>> The motion is 100 percent contrary to Sturgis and bylaws. >>> >>> Neither the GC or AB has the authority to impose any penalties WITHOUT >>> consent or approval of the general membership at all. >>> >>> Only the general membership has the authority to decide the penalties. >>> >>> Currently the bylaws restrict the GC to mediation and arbitration. It >>> does NOT give the AB any authority to impose any penalties at all. >>> >>> W. David Samuelsen >>> USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >>