In this paragraph from the mockup: 6 - When the team is seated, the parties shall be so advised by the Mediator. Everyone will be reminded that the grievance confidentiality extends to all parties (including the mediators, arbitrators and GC members) from the time the grievance process begins and that failure to abide by the confidentiality of the grievance process is grounds to automatically and immediately lose the grievance. The parties shall have seventy-two (72) hours to submit to the Mediator a written statement of their position on the issues of the dispute. The mediator shall provide the position statements to the team members for their review. The second sentence seems to be incomplete. Failure to maintain confidentiality "by the parties" is grounds to lose, etc., but a similiar failure "by the mediators, arbitrators, and GC members" should not be grounds to lose, but should result in some penalty to the individual failing. I believe another sentence is required to explain the penalty for failure "by the mediators, arbitrators, and GC members". Larry Flesher SWSC SC Rep ----- Original Message ---- From: Sherri <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, April 27, 2010 12:54:48 PM Subject: Re: [BOARD] RESULTS: Move to Table Motion 2009/10-23 In the interest of letting everyone see what's been suggested I've put up a mockup of the changes to the rules.  Maybe this will allow us to see more clearly the suggested changes.  The mockup is at http://kykinfolk.com/temp/amended-standard-rules-4-27.htm - does this help? Sherri -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sherri Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 6:07 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BOARD] RESULTS: Move to Table Motion 2009/10-23 OK, can we please have those that have issues with this motion speak up with exactly what you are having issues with and suggest wording changes? I've also received a few of comments from others that you may want to consider since we're reworking this anyway.  First, from the Grievance Committee, the timing for filing a grievance is different for different situations.  The suggestion is to change it to a straight 14 days to file from the incident occurred or was discovered or someone is terminated from the Project.  (This suggestion is because the stated time frame for filing a grievance can be subject to interpretation if the person is removed from a project but is still a member of USGenWeb through another project.) Second, a time limit for filing an appeal should be stated.  The suggestion is 10-14 days for that, too (so that we can actually close all of the loopholes and have complete closure on the issue).  A limit to the number of times an appeal can be filed should also be added. Third, and we've all heard this from more than a few members, is the suggestion that once the grievance process is complete (including the possibility of filing an appeal), that at least basic information about the grievance should be released.  The suggested info to be made public would be the names of the parties involved, whatever the reason the grievance was filed and the resolution of the grievance and any appeals. If you don't want to include these things, just let me know and we'll leave them on the agenda as a separate item. So, can you please speak up so that we can keep this moving? Thanks, Sherri -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sherri Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 10:10 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BOARD] RESULTS: Move to Table Motion 2009/10-23 With 12 members voting, the motion to table motion 2009/10-23 fails. Those voting to table the motion: Alice Allen, Colleen Pustola, Linda Lewis and W. David Samuelsen Those voting against tabling the motion: Ann Allen Geoghegan, Dale Grimm, Denise Wells, Jeff Kemp, Larry Flesher, Les Shockey, Pauli Smith and Tina Vickery Those not voting: Cyndie Enfinger Discussion will continue on motion 2009/10-23.  Sherri Bradley National Coordinator USGenWeb Project Information about the USGenWeb Project at http://usgenweb.org Advisory Board Agenda http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.php -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sherri Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 6:35 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [BOARD] Move to Table Motion 2009/10-23 A motion to table motion 2009/10-23 has been made by David Samuelsen and seconded by Alice Allen.  Those in favor of tabling motion 2009/10-23 temporarily, please respond with "agree".  Those opposed, please respond with "disagree". Sherri Bradley National Coordinator USGenWeb Project Information about the USGenWeb Project at  <http://usgenweb.org> http://usgenweb.org Advisory Board Agenda  <http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.php> http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.php USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

OK, let me see what I missed when I was copying and pasting - or can someone suggest better wording? Thanks, Larry. Sherri -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Larry Flesher Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 2:15 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BOARD] RESULTS: Move to Table Motion 2009/10-23 In this paragraph from the mockup: 6 - When the team is seated, the parties shall be so advised by the Mediator. Everyone will be reminded that the grievance confidentiality extends to all parties (including the mediators, arbitrators and GC members) from the time the grievance process begins and that failure to abide by the confidentiality of the grievance process is grounds to automatically and immediately lose the grievance. The parties shall have seventy-two (72) hours to submit to the Mediator a written statement of their position on the issues of the dispute. The mediator shall provide the position statements to the team members for their review. The second sentence seems to be incomplete. Failure to maintain confidentiality "by the parties" is grounds to lose, etc., but a similiar failure "by the mediators, arbitrators, and GC members" should not be grounds to lose, but should result in some penalty to the individual failing. I believe another sentence is required to explain the penalty for failure "by the mediators, arbitrators, and GC members". Larry Flesher SWSC SC Rep ----- Original Message ---- From: Sherri <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, April 27, 2010 12:54:48 PM Subject: Re: [BOARD] RESULTS: Move to Table Motion 2009/10-23 In the interest of letting everyone see what's been suggested I've put up a mockup of the changes to the rules.  Maybe this will allow us to see more clearly the suggested changes.  The mockup is at http://kykinfolk.com/temp/amended-standard-rules-4-27.htm - does this help? Sherri -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sherri Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 6:07 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BOARD] RESULTS: Move to Table Motion 2009/10-23 OK, can we please have those that have issues with this motion speak up with exactly what you are having issues with and suggest wording changes? I've also received a few of comments from others that you may want to consider since we're reworking this anyway.  First, from the Grievance Committee, the timing for filing a grievance is different for different situations.  The suggestion is to change it to a straight 14 days to file from the incident occurred or was discovered or someone is terminated from the Project.  (This suggestion is because the stated time frame for filing a grievance can be subject to interpretation if the person is removed from a project but is still a member of USGenWeb through another project.) Second, a time limit for filing an appeal should be stated.  The suggestion is 10-14 days for that, too (so that we can actually close all of the loopholes and have complete closure on the issue).  A limit to the number of times an appeal can be filed should also be added. Third, and we've all heard this from more than a few members, is the suggestion that once the grievance process is complete (including the possibility of filing an appeal), that at least basic information about the grievance should be released.  The suggested info to be made public would be the names of the parties involved, whatever the reason the grievance was filed and the resolution of the grievance and any appeals. If you don't want to include these things, just let me know and we'll leave them on the agenda as a separate item. So, can you please speak up so that we can keep this moving? Thanks, Sherri -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sherri Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 10:10 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BOARD] RESULTS: Move to Table Motion 2009/10-23 With 12 members voting, the motion to table motion 2009/10-23 fails. Those voting to table the motion: Alice Allen, Colleen Pustola, Linda Lewis and W. David Samuelsen Those voting against tabling the motion: Ann Allen Geoghegan, Dale Grimm, Denise Wells, Jeff Kemp, Larry Flesher, Les Shockey, Pauli Smith and Tina Vickery Those not voting: Cyndie Enfinger Discussion will continue on motion 2009/10-23.  Sherri Bradley National Coordinator USGenWeb Project Information about the USGenWeb Project at http://usgenweb.org Advisory Board Agenda http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.php -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sherri Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 6:35 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [BOARD] Move to Table Motion 2009/10-23 A motion to table motion 2009/10-23 has been made by David Samuelsen and seconded by Alice Allen.  Those in favor of tabling motion 2009/10-23 temporarily, please respond with "agree".  Those opposed, please respond with "disagree". Sherri Bradley National Coordinator USGenWeb Project Information about the USGenWeb Project at  <http://usgenweb.org> http://usgenweb.org Advisory Board Agenda  <http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.php> http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.php USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Larry, please see if the rewording that I've done (in blue font with the original changes in red). If anyone has a better idea for rewording this, please let me know - this is your motion, not mine. I'm simply trying to facilitate the discussion by making it easy to see what the final version would be so that this agenda item can be completed. Sherri -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Larry Flesher Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 2:15 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BOARD] RESULTS: Move to Table Motion 2009/10-23 In this paragraph from the mockup: 6 - When the team is seated, the parties shall be so advised by the Mediator. Everyone will be reminded that the grievance confidentiality extends to all parties (including the mediators, arbitrators and GC members) from the time the grievance process begins and that failure to abide by the confidentiality of the grievance process is grounds to automatically and immediately lose the grievance. The parties shall have seventy-two (72) hours to submit to the Mediator a written statement of their position on the issues of the dispute. The mediator shall provide the position statements to the team members for their review. The second sentence seems to be incomplete. Failure to maintain confidentiality "by the parties" is grounds to lose, etc., but a similiar failure "by the mediators, arbitrators, and GC members" should not be grounds to lose, but should result in some penalty to the individual failing. I believe another sentence is required to explain the penalty for failure "by the mediators, arbitrators, and GC members". Larry Flesher SWSC SC Rep ----- Original Message ---- From: Sherri <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, April 27, 2010 12:54:48 PM Subject: Re: [BOARD] RESULTS: Move to Table Motion 2009/10-23 In the interest of letting everyone see what's been suggested I've put up a mockup of the changes to the rules.  Maybe this will allow us to see more clearly the suggested changes.  The mockup is at http://kykinfolk.com/temp/amended-standard-rules-4-27.htm - does this help? Sherri -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sherri Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 6:07 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BOARD] RESULTS: Move to Table Motion 2009/10-23 OK, can we please have those that have issues with this motion speak up with exactly what you are having issues with and suggest wording changes? I've also received a few of comments from others that you may want to consider since we're reworking this anyway.  First, from the Grievance Committee, the timing for filing a grievance is different for different situations.  The suggestion is to change it to a straight 14 days to file from the incident occurred or was discovered or someone is terminated from the Project.  (This suggestion is because the stated time frame for filing a grievance can be subject to interpretation if the person is removed from a project but is still a member of USGenWeb through another project.) Second, a time limit for filing an appeal should be stated.  The suggestion is 10-14 days for that, too (so that we can actually close all of the loopholes and have complete closure on the issue).  A limit to the number of times an appeal can be filed should also be added. Third, and we've all heard this from more than a few members, is the suggestion that once the grievance process is complete (including the possibility of filing an appeal), that at least basic information about the grievance should be released.  The suggested info to be made public would be the names of the parties involved, whatever the reason the grievance was filed and the resolution of the grievance and any appeals. If you don't want to include these things, just let me know and we'll leave them on the agenda as a separate item. So, can you please speak up so that we can keep this moving? Thanks, Sherri -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sherri Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 10:10 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BOARD] RESULTS: Move to Table Motion 2009/10-23 With 12 members voting, the motion to table motion 2009/10-23 fails. Those voting to table the motion: Alice Allen, Colleen Pustola, Linda Lewis and W. David Samuelsen Those voting against tabling the motion: Ann Allen Geoghegan, Dale Grimm, Denise Wells, Jeff Kemp, Larry Flesher, Les Shockey, Pauli Smith and Tina Vickery Those not voting: Cyndie Enfinger Discussion will continue on motion 2009/10-23.  Sherri Bradley National Coordinator USGenWeb Project Information about the USGenWeb Project at http://usgenweb.org Advisory Board Agenda http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.php -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sherri Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 6:35 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [BOARD] Move to Table Motion 2009/10-23 A motion to table motion 2009/10-23 has been made by David Samuelsen and seconded by Alice Allen.  Those in favor of tabling motion 2009/10-23 temporarily, please respond with "agree".  Those opposed, please respond with "disagree". Sherri Bradley National Coordinator USGenWeb Project Information about the USGenWeb Project at  <http://usgenweb.org> http://usgenweb.org Advisory Board Agenda  <http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.php> http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.php USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

That fixed it nicely, Sherri. Larry ----- Original Message ---- From: Sherri <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, April 27, 2010 2:47:28 PM Subject: Re: [BOARD] RESULTS: Move to Table Motion 2009/10-23 Larry, please see if the rewording that I've done (in blue font with the original changes in red). If anyone has a better idea for rewording this, please let me know - this is your motion, not mine.  I'm simply trying to facilitate the discussion by making it easy to see what the final version would be so that this agenda item can be completed. Sherri -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Larry Flesher Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 2:15 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BOARD] RESULTS: Move to Table Motion 2009/10-23 In this paragraph from the mockup: 6 - When the team is seated, the parties shall be so advised by the Mediator. Everyone will be reminded that the grievance confidentiality extends to all parties (including the mediators, arbitrators and GC members) from the time the grievance process begins and that failure to abide by the confidentiality of the grievance process is grounds to automatically and immediately lose the grievance. The parties shall have seventy-two (72) hours to submit to the Mediator a written statement of their position on the issues of the dispute. The mediator shall provide the position statements to the team members for their review. The second sentence seems to be incomplete. Failure to maintain confidentiality "by the parties" is grounds to lose, etc., but a similiar failure "by the mediators, arbitrators, and GC members" should not be grounds to lose, but should result in some penalty to the individual failing. I believe another sentence is required to explain the penalty for failure "by the mediators, arbitrators, and GC members". Larry Flesher SWSC SC Rep ----- Original Message ---- From: Sherri <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, April 27, 2010 12:54:48 PM Subject: Re: [BOARD] RESULTS: Move to Table Motion 2009/10-23 In the interest of letting everyone see what's been suggested I've put up a mockup of the changes to the rules.  Maybe this will allow us to see more clearly the suggested changes.  The mockup is at http://kykinfolk.com/temp/amended-standard-rules-4-27.htm - does this help? Sherri -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sherri Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 6:07 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BOARD] RESULTS: Move to Table Motion 2009/10-23 OK, can we please have those that have issues with this motion speak up with exactly what you are having issues with and suggest wording changes? I've also received a few of comments from others that you may want to consider since we're reworking this anyway.  First, from the Grievance Committee, the timing for filing a grievance is different for different situations.  The suggestion is to change it to a straight 14 days to file from the incident occurred or was discovered or someone is terminated from the Project.  (This suggestion is because the stated time frame for filing a grievance can be subject to interpretation if the person is removed from a project but is still a member of USGenWeb through another project.) Second, a time limit for filing an appeal should be stated.  The suggestion is 10-14 days for that, too (so that we can actually close all of the loopholes and have complete closure on the issue).  A limit to the number of times an appeal can be filed should also be added. Third, and we've all heard this from more than a few members, is the suggestion that once the grievance process is complete (including the possibility of filing an appeal), that at least basic information about the grievance should be released.  The suggested info to be made public would be the names of the parties involved, whatever the reason the grievance was filed and the resolution of the grievance and any appeals. If you don't want to include these things, just let me know and we'll leave them on the agenda as a separate item. So, can you please speak up so that we can keep this moving? Thanks, Sherri -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sherri Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 10:10 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BOARD] RESULTS: Move to Table Motion 2009/10-23 With 12 members voting, the motion to table motion 2009/10-23 fails. Those voting to table the motion: Alice Allen, Colleen Pustola, Linda Lewis and W. David Samuelsen Those voting against tabling the motion: Ann Allen Geoghegan, Dale Grimm, Denise Wells, Jeff Kemp, Larry Flesher, Les Shockey, Pauli Smith and Tina Vickery Those not voting: Cyndie Enfinger Discussion will continue on motion 2009/10-23.  Sherri Bradley National Coordinator USGenWeb Project Information about the USGenWeb Project at http://usgenweb.org Advisory Board Agenda http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.php -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sherri Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 6:35 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [BOARD] Move to Table Motion 2009/10-23 A motion to table motion 2009/10-23 has been made by David Samuelsen and seconded by Alice Allen.  Those in favor of tabling motion 2009/10-23 temporarily, please respond with "agree".  Those opposed, please respond with "disagree". Sherri Bradley National Coordinator USGenWeb Project Information about the USGenWeb Project at  <http://usgenweb.org> http://usgenweb.org Advisory Board Agenda  <http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.php> http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.php USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message       USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message