I move to amend this motion as follows: To strike the USGW-CC-L@usgennet.org list from this motion and to make this motion only include USGW_ALL@listbot.com (aka The Daily Board Show) Ginger gingerh@shawneelink.com -----Original Message----- From: Teri Pettit <pettit@Adobe.COM> To: BOARD-L@rootsweb.com <BOARD-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 3:13 PM Subject: [BOARD-L] Motion to add USGW-CC-L and USGW-ALL to Volunteer's Info >In the interests of helping new volunteers know what venues are >available for discussing matters of common interest, I move that >subscription directions for the following two discussion lists > > USGW-CC-L@usgennet.org > USGW-ALL@listbot.com (aka The Daily Board Show) > >be added to the Info for Volunteers - Mailing Lists page currently >located at: > > http://www.usgenweb.org/volunteers/mail.html > >along with the information that subscription to either of these >lists is voluntary. > >Teri Pettit >pettit@adobe.com >SE/MA CC Rep >http://www.best.com/~tpettit/usgenweb/board99.html#communication > > >

<< In the interests of helping new volunteers know what venues are available for discussing matters of common interest, I move that subscription directions for the following two discussion lists USGW-CC-L@usgennet.org USGW-ALL@listbot.com (aka The Daily Board Show) be added to the Info for Volunteers - Mailing Lists page currently located at: http://www.usgenweb.org/volunteers/mail.html along with the information that subscription to either of these lists is voluntary. Teri Pettit pettit@adobe.com SE/MA CC Rep http://www.best.com/~tpettit/usgenweb/board99.html#communication >> I second this Motion Virginia Cisewski NW-Plains CC Rep

Now that Teri's motion to add regional email lists to Volunteer's Info page has received a second from Tina - the Motion numbered 99-30 is now open for discussion. Tim

Now that Teri's motion to restore USGenWeb-ALL-L to Volunteer's Info page has received a second from Joy - the Motion numbered 99-29 is now open for discussion. Tim

I just got a bounce from my previous motion, and noticed that I misspelled the name of list used to distribute The Daily Board Show. I wrote USGW-ALL@listbot.com The correct address is: USGW_ALL@listbot.com Please revise the motion to include the correct list name. Thank you, Teri

I second the motion Joy Fisher jfisher@ucla.edu UCLA On Wed, 8 Dec 1999, Teri Pettit wrote: > In the interests of helping new volunteers know what venues are > available for discussing matters of common interest, I move > that subscription directions for the USGenWeb-ALL@rootsweb.com > discussion list be added to the Info for Volunteers - Mailing Lists > page currently located at: > > http://www.usgenweb.org/volunteers/mail.html > > along with the information that subscription to this list is voluntary. > > ============================================================ > (I am separately submitting motions on the other voluntary discussion > lists, in recognition that Board members may want to vote differently > on the different lists.) > > > In order to help CC's decide which list(s) they wish to subscribe > to, I would like to suggest that Pam also add, for each list, a > link to the archives for that list, if available, a link to a copy > of the list's "Welcome message", if the list owner agrees, and an > approximate count of the number of volunteers subscribed and the > average monthly list traffic. This suggestion is not, however, > part of the motion. I think it would be helpful to the CC's, but > it should be up to Pam as to whether she thinks it might be > "information overload." > > Teri Pettit > pettit@adobe.com > SE/MA CC Rep > http://www.best.com/~tpettit/usgenweb/board99.html#communication > > >

In the interests of helping new volunteers know what venues are available for discussing matters of common interest, I move that subscription directions for the USGenWeb regional discussion lists USGenWeb-NE-L@rootsweb.com USGenWeb-SE-L@rootsweb.com USGenWeb-NW-L@rootsweb.com USGenWeb-SW-L@rootsweb.com be added to the Info for Volunteers - Mailing Lists page currently located at: http://www.usgenweb.org/volunteers/mail.html along with the information that subscription to these lists is voluntary, and that they are low-volume lists maintained by the USGenWeb Advisory Board representatives for each region. Teri Pettit pettit@adobe.com SE/MA CC Rep http://www.best.com/~tpettit/usgenweb/board99.html#communication

In the interests of helping new volunteers know what venues are available for discussing matters of common interest, I move that subscription directions for the following two discussion lists USGW-CC-L@usgennet.org USGW-ALL@listbot.com (aka The Daily Board Show) be added to the Info for Volunteers - Mailing Lists page currently located at: http://www.usgenweb.org/volunteers/mail.html along with the information that subscription to either of these lists is voluntary. Teri Pettit pettit@adobe.com SE/MA CC Rep http://www.best.com/~tpettit/usgenweb/board99.html#communication

In the interests of helping new volunteers know what venues are available for discussing matters of common interest, I move that subscription directions for the USGenWeb-ALL@rootsweb.com discussion list be added to the Info for Volunteers - Mailing Lists page currently located at: http://www.usgenweb.org/volunteers/mail.html along with the information that subscription to this list is voluntary. ============================================================ (I am separately submitting motions on the other voluntary discussion lists, in recognition that Board members may want to vote differently on the different lists.) In order to help CC's decide which list(s) they wish to subscribe to, I would like to suggest that Pam also add, for each list, a link to the archives for that list, if available, a link to a copy of the list's "Welcome message", if the list owner agrees, and an approximate count of the number of volunteers subscribed and the average monthly list traffic. This suggestion is not, however, part of the motion. I think it would be helpful to the CC's, but it should be up to Pam as to whether she thinks it might be "information overload." Teri Pettit pettit@adobe.com SE/MA CC Rep http://www.best.com/~tpettit/usgenweb/board99.html#communication

I second the motion. Tina Vickery In a message dated 12/08/1999 4:13:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, pettit@Adobe.COM writes: > In the interests of helping new volunteers know what venues are > available for discussing matters of common interest, I move that > subscription directions for the USGenWeb regional discussion lists > > USGenWeb-NE-L@rootsweb.com > USGenWeb-SE-L@rootsweb.com > USGenWeb-NW-L@rootsweb.com > USGenWeb-SW-L@rootsweb.com > > be added to the Info for Volunteers - Mailing Lists page currently > located at: > > http://www.usgenweb.org/volunteers/mail.html > > along with the information that subscription to these lists is > voluntary, and that they are low-volume lists maintained by the > USGenWeb Advisory Board representatives for each region. > > Teri Pettit > pettit@adobe.com > SE/MA CC Rep > http://www.best.com/~tpettit/usgenweb/board99.html#communication >

Voting on Motion 99-28 now at an end - totals as follows - 5 - yes, 4 - no, 5 - abstain; 1 - not voting; 1 - whereabouts unknown. Since the motion did not receive a 2/3 majority of those voting in the affirmative - the motion fails. Tim

Hi, Since Rose knows more about DCGenWeb and it's needs and concerns she would be the best person to name her successor. I don't think we should be involved unless she can't come up with a successor. Ginger gingerh@shawneelink.com -----Original Message----- From: Shari Handley <shari@klondyke.net> To: BOARD-L@rootsweb.com <BOARD-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, December 07, 1999 4:15 PM Subject: [BOARD-L] DCGenWeb >Hi group, > >Rose Guertin, coordinator of DCGenWeb, has written me to let us know that >she's going to need to step down from that position as of January 1. In >subsequent correspondence, she has recommended that Deb Remer, the listowner >of the DC mailing list and a frequent contributor of data to DCGenWeb, be >considered for the position. I'm not sure whether Rose has contacted Deb, >or whether Deb would even want the position, but Rose indicated that she >lives in the DC area, and is knowledgeable about the DC area and genealogy. > >How do we proceed? Since there are no counties involved, there can't be an >election in this case. I guess we could also look at it this way - Rose >*is* the only DCGenWeb coordinator, and if she voted for someone, they'd >win, 1 to zip. :) > >The last known email address for Deb Remer, according to Rose, is ><dremer1015@aol.com>. Shall I contact her to see if she's interested in the >position? > >Shari Handley >shari@klondyke.net >

At 2:11 PM -0800 12/7/99, Shari Handley <shari@klondyke.net> wrote: >Hi group, > >Rose Guertin, coordinator of DCGenWeb, has written me to let us know that >she's going to need to step down from that position as of January 1. <snip> >How do we proceed? >The last known email address for Deb Remer, according to Rose, is ><dremer1015@aol.com>. Shall I contact her to see if she's interested >in the position? > >Shari Handley Shari, If Rose doesn't want to ask Deb herself, then, sure, send her a message. DC isn't a state, so the whole issue of elections doesn't come up. Organizationally, it is the "nation's county", so to speak. So, I would expect that the AB or NC assumes a role similar to that of state coordinators when a CC resigns - DC goes up for adoption. If Deb Remer doesn't want the job, then I suggest asking her if she would announce the vacancy on the DC email list that she runs. Most county adoptions are handled on a first volunteered, first offered basis. It is rare to have a more extended process. Tends to only happen if two people volunteer for the same county almost simultaneously, and don't want to work as a team. And then the SC usually has free rein to pick whoever they want (procedures may vary from state to state.) Holly also wrote: > I suppose technically, Rose is currently the CC and SC of DC, so > Rose (as CC) can *technically* vote for Deb as SC and then step > aside as a CC with Deb taking over. Might be good to ask Rose if she'd do this for whoever wants the job, as a formality. There are always people who will insist that DCGenWeb should be considered a "state project" under the By-Laws, even though it isn't a state. // Teri

Actually, I don't think there is any need for the board to get involved at all. Rose wants to step down and she has a potential person in mind. I can only see our involvement in this if Rose couldn't find someone. Rose can ask if Deb wants to do it and if she does, that's all there is to it. I suppose technically, Rose is currently the CC and SC of DC, so Rose (as CC) can *technically* vote for Deb as SC and then step aside as a CC with Deb taking over. At 05:11 PM 12/7/99 -0500, you wrote: >Rose Guertin, coordinator of DCGenWeb, has written me to let us know that >she's going to need to step down from that position as of January 1. In >subsequent correspondence, she has recommended that Deb Remer, the listowner >of the DC mailing list and a frequent contributor of data to DCGenWeb, be >considered for the position. I'm not sure whether Rose has contacted Deb, >or whether Deb would even want the position, but Rose indicated that she >lives in the DC area, and is knowledgeable about the DC area and genealogy. > >How do we proceed? Since there are no counties involved, there can't be an >election in this case. I guess we could also look at it this way - Rose >*is* the only DCGenWeb coordinator, and if she voted for someone, they'd >win, 1 to zip. :) > >The last known email address for Deb Remer, according to Rose, is ><dremer1015@aol.com>. Shall I contact her to see if she's interested in the >position? > >Shari Handley >shari@klondyke.net

Hi group, Rose Guertin, coordinator of DCGenWeb, has written me to let us know that she's going to need to step down from that position as of January 1. In subsequent correspondence, she has recommended that Deb Remer, the listowner of the DC mailing list and a frequent contributor of data to DCGenWeb, be considered for the position. I'm not sure whether Rose has contacted Deb, or whether Deb would even want the position, but Rose indicated that she lives in the DC area, and is knowledgeable about the DC area and genealogy. How do we proceed? Since there are no counties involved, there can't be an election in this case. I guess we could also look at it this way - Rose *is* the only DCGenWeb coordinator, and if she voted for someone, they'd win, 1 to zip. :) The last known email address for Deb Remer, according to Rose, is <dremer1015@aol.com>. Shall I contact her to see if she's interested in the position? Shari Handley shari@klondyke.net

At 06:52 AM 12/7/99 -0500, Holly Timm wrote: >At 06:40 PM 12/6/99 -0500, you wrote: >>I've used the resources from several different counties and several >>different states and one thing that I find every page has in common is >>that I'm yet to find anyone using Javascript and CSS Styles to improve >>the functionality or the appearance of their pages. You have to remember the school districts that do not upgrade to the latest technology because they have hundreds (or thousands) of computers and have limited resources. When we get too fancy for the average user, we lose them. I have visited a lot of commercial sites doing my Christmas shopping and you would not believe the number of sites with Javascript errors.

I tend to agree with Holly on this with an added comment. This project is about genealogy. If we get on an improvement kick lets attack it from the genealogy angle and not from the bells and whistles department. Many of the folks doing genealogy are retired, view the computer as a tool and are unimpressed with anything more elaborate than plain text to pursue it, myself included. I have worked with computers for the past 31 years in the military and out and have written some code in Pascal and C and RBase. I try to stay abreast of computer developments but believe for genealogy use we should keep it as simple as possible to encompass as large a group of hobbyists and researchers as possible. If a CC desires to dress up their pages with Javascript or whatever, fine, but provide a plain text alternative for grandpa and grandma. Pam does nice work with our "front page". Perhaps she could look at the "Help Pages" and share her thoughts with us for any needed improvements. Joe Holly Timm wrote: > > At 06:40 PM 12/6/99 -0500, you wrote: > >I've used the resources from several different counties and several > >different states and one thing that I find every page has in common is > >that I'm yet to find anyone using Javascript and CSS Styles to improve > >the functionality or the appearance of their pages. > > Javascript and CSS are more and more accessible to our users but there are > still many out there that can use them and I am leery of someone pushing > them on the CC's. I have no objection to improvement of the htmlhelp pages > but clearly accessibility needs to be a major issue. I also seriously doubt > this person has tried working with the many CC's whose grasp of html is > basic and comes with difficulty. > > >This is what prompted me to seek-out your "HTML Help" page > >(http://www.usgenweb.org/volunteers/htmlhelp.html) that you link from > >your Volunteer Information page > >(http://www.usgenweb.org/volunteers/volunteers.html) and to be honest, > >though the page was relatively current a couple of years ago, it's no > >wonder the newbies who by and large coordinate your various counties > >don't use the more modern technologies to more easily accomplish their > >goals. > > > >I am a Web Professional who recently sold an ISP to a larger company, > >better equipped to take on AOL and Gateway. I designed my first website > >for Netscape 1.0, back when it was new and since then, I have designed, > >implemented and consulted on the installation of innumerable websites in > >several different industries. > > > >I realize that someone named C.G. Snyder appears to be the person > >charged with maintaining your "HTML Help" page, but to be honest, > >considering the apparent outdatedness of several links, I'd be surprised > >if there has been any updates in quite some time; Though, I was > >surprised how few of the links did not lead to live webpages, so I > >wouldn't take any bets about the last time C. Snyder uploaded a new > >page. > > > >But, nonetheless, I'd like to volunteer to take over the maintenance of > >your HTML HelpSite... > > > >Sincerely; > >Russell A. Wrenn -- email:jzsed@slic.com http://www.rootsweb.com/~jzed/home.htm http://www.rootsweb.com/~ndpembin/pembina.htm http://www.rootsweb.com/~ndramsey/ramsey.htm

At 06:40 PM 12/6/99 -0500, you wrote: >I've used the resources from several different counties and several >different states and one thing that I find every page has in common is >that I'm yet to find anyone using Javascript and CSS Styles to improve >the functionality or the appearance of their pages. Javascript and CSS are more and more accessible to our users but there are still many out there that can use them and I am leery of someone pushing them on the CC's. I have no objection to improvement of the htmlhelp pages but clearly accessibility needs to be a major issue. I also seriously doubt this person has tried working with the many CC's whose grasp of html is basic and comes with difficulty. >This is what prompted me to seek-out your "HTML Help" page >(http://www.usgenweb.org/volunteers/htmlhelp.html) that you link from >your Volunteer Information page >(http://www.usgenweb.org/volunteers/volunteers.html) and to be honest, >though the page was relatively current a couple of years ago, it's no >wonder the newbies who by and large coordinate your various counties >don't use the more modern technologies to more easily accomplish their >goals. > >I am a Web Professional who recently sold an ISP to a larger company, >better equipped to take on AOL and Gateway. I designed my first website >for Netscape 1.0, back when it was new and since then, I have designed, >implemented and consulted on the installation of innumerable websites in >several different industries. > >I realize that someone named C.G. Snyder appears to be the person >charged with maintaining your "HTML Help" page, but to be honest, >considering the apparent outdatedness of several links, I'd be surprised >if there has been any updates in quite some time; Though, I was >surprised how few of the links did not lead to live webpages, so I >wouldn't take any bets about the last time C. Snyder uploaded a new >page. > >But, nonetheless, I'd like to volunteer to take over the maintenance of >your HTML HelpSite... > >Sincerely; >Russell A. Wrenn

Fellow Board members, This note was forwarded to me by Celia Snyder, former webmaster. I believe that Pam already has a copy of this as current webmaster. - Tim ---------------- Hello; I've been using the "heck" out of the Rootsweb and USGenWeb Project's websites in an effort to trace my family tree; I've used the resources from several different counties and several different states and one thing that I find every page has in common is that I'm yet to find anyone using Javascript and CSS Styles to improve the functionality or the appearance of their pages. This is what prompted me to seek-out your "HTML Help" page (http://www.usgenweb.org/volunteers/htmlhelp.html) that you link from your Volunteer Information page (http://www.usgenweb.org/volunteers/volunteers.html) and to be honest, though the page was relatively current a couple of years ago, it's no wonder the newbies who by and large coordinate your various counties don't use the more modern technologies to more easily accomplish their goals. I am a Web Professional who recently sold an ISP to a larger company, better equipped to take on AOL and Gateway. I designed my first website for Netscape 1.0, back when it was new and since then, I have designed, implemented and consulted on the installation of innumerable websites in several different industries. I realize that someone named C.G. Snyder appears to be the person charged with maintaining your "HTML Help" page, but to be honest, considering the apparent outdatedness of several links, I'd be surprised if there has been any updates in quite some time; Though, I was surprised how few of the links did not lead to live webpages, so I wouldn't take any bets about the last time C. Snyder uploaded a new page. But, nonetheless, I'd like to volunteer to take over the maintenance of your HTML HelpSite... Sincerely; Russell A. Wrenn

I vote yes in this matter. Megan has been and will continue to be an instrumental part of USGenWeb. Pam Reid